This is serious, but talk about hilarious, ill-prepared, opening a can of worms and late again. They probably had no clue what they unleashed when they accepted money from the illegal operations and made promises of legalization. If they didn't know, it's only because they've gone deaf. People have been clamoring about the threat of money laundering and inability to validate the source of the already earned funds for years now. It's truly unbelievable, the legislation was to be tabled this week, and the AG just went for face to face discussions with the FATF oversight committee yesterday, neither the PM, nor the Minister of Finance had any idea that the ginormous amount of money flowing outside of the legal financial system could have any negative impact on the economy. A sitting govt board member sees nothing wrong with presenting 100,000 **in cash** to pay a bill, I'd like to be a fly on the wall when that issue comes up with the FATF....you can't make this stuff up...we need leaders. Even play ones would do at this point.

I agree. This Government is all over the place. That's what happens when you play with "big dogs". Three years in power and the only major thing you have done is pass a Stem Cell Bill to pay off a croony. Now your other croony, the numbers boys is next in line for a favour and you can't get that done. Meantime, Rome burns. Economy remains shot, Illegal immigrants continue to run wild and crime increases and we are not meeting in Parliament to deal with any of that. Boy I tell ya.... you can't make this stuff up!

I can just hear Allyson Maynard-Gibson telling the FATF representatives:
1) The numbers industry has always been a part of the fabric of Bahamian society;
2) The numbers industry provides many Bahamians with good paying jobs and other employment benefits;
3) The business leaders in the numbers' industry are fine outstanding Bahamian citizens who are actively involved in supporting the democratic processes of the Bahamas;
4) The numbers industry has been well run over the years by reputable business leaders who have made significant investments in online gaming technology and related equipment and facilities;
5) Legislators in the Bahamas have for many years failed to regularize this important industry to the Bahamian economy;
6) The numbers industry is becoming increasingly disruptive to the Bahamas' banking industry and of concern to the Central Bank's ability to manage the country's exchange regime because of the failure of past governments to properly regularize its activities against the backdrop of global anti-money laundering initiatives; and
7) The Bahamian government is satisfied it can create a regulatory apparatus to ensure the numbers industry is not used for the laundering of money from illicit activities around the world including terrorism related activities.
BUT THE FATF ALREADY KNOWS FULL WELL:
a) The numbers industry in the Bahamas has for many years been (and continues to be) owned and operated by mobsters and racketeers who have been engaged in a myriad of illegal activities, including money-laundering using loosely or laxly regulated banking facilities available both within and outside the Bahamas;
b) The democratic processes of the Bahamas are seriously threatened by the willingness of corrupt politicians, corrupt political parties and corrupt government officials to accept bribes, campaign election contributions, etc. from the numbers' bosses;
c) If current and past governments/politicians of the Bahamas have been unable or unwilling to shut down the illicit racketeering and money laundering activities of the known numbers' mobsters, then there is no conceivable way the Bahamian government would be willing or able to properly regulate the illicit online gaming and other illegal activities of the numbers industry, especially given that their illicit activities now span many jurisdictions other than the Bahamas, like Haiti; and
d) The extent to which the numbers' mobsters and racketeers have corrupted the democratic processes of the Bahamas is exemplified by our PM's decision to ignore the wishes of the Bahamian people to have the known key criminals behind the illicit numbers industry prosecuted and their assets confiscated, as expressed in a duly held referendum instigated by none other than the PM and paid for by the Bahamian people out of the Public Treasury at a cost well in excess of one million dollars.
THESE ARE THE SIMPLE FACTS BEHIND THE LIES VERSUS THE TRUTH, AND THE FATF KNOWS ALL!

Reality, the PLP cannot shut down the numbers bosses web shops!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD. We will just all have to go to hell in a hand basket with the PLP and their cronies.......... this is 1984-1992 ALL over again .................. DON'T YALL SEE IT?????????????

Sheeprunner12 you are so right. A nation for re-sale.

Yes, realfreethinker. Going forward we can conclude that our Governments can be bought. A $45,000 plus campaign contribution gets you a Stem Cell Bill. God knows how much the Number Boys gave. Enough I guess to get their illegal money laundered!

There will never be any legalization of the numbers businesses. It is not in their interest so that bought and paid for government will never ever lay a hand on them or regulate them.

I don't want to go to hell in a hand basket....can we change govt instead?

Forget promoting the poor to play their numbers hoping win something buy stuff with. Why not cancel ALL social assistance and government financial supplement programs to be replaced by ONE simple to administer - guaranteed income program? Comrades we need a political party to advocate for every adult over the age of 21 and citizen of Bahamaland for a minimum of 5 years to be provided with a guaranteed yearly income level supplement of $18,500,00,on top of their fair pay minimum wage 40 hours work week. The greens, reds and gold shirts are never going to play this idea forward. All three parties are too financially campaign monies dependent upon keeping business world - happy at maintaining their status quo.

Let’s say the FATF agrees to the legalization of the Numbers business. It will certainly be on the premise that the new operators are “fit and proper” and have clean legal records.

“The fit and proper” test may rule out some of the major players. In come the credible East St and Bay St cartels, which currently own and contractually tie up anything that moves in this country from oil to shipping, certainly they will meet the “fit and proper” test. Out goes the current owners and operators.

Contemplated retroactive penalties will assist in putting the current operators out of business.

Comrade Observ2 this is all talk. You will never see this PM's PLP government pass a Bill in the House of Assembly to "normalize as they like call it" the numbers rackets, when even his own cabinet ministers are now calling web shop - illegal gambling houses. It will never be passed. The PM quietly is already shifting his government's focus towards introducing a Bill already being drafted by the AG's lawyers to pass a National Lotteries Act..

Well good. I hope you're correct. Even if they don't shut the houses down, it will be competition to force them to close

Actually Tal, I don't think this was all a show, they did too much. Typically when they make a "show" effort, they get a committee and adhere to the say so of the committee so they can wash their hands...in this case the people said loud and clear they didn't want it, but he bent over backwards to do what he wanted in the first place. If they are secretly looking at a National Lottery, it's only because they're now backed into a corner by their own deaf and *dumbness*

Observer2,

There is no way even if they manage to legalize the numbers houses that the owners will be able to conduct proper business operations. The banks here will not risk their reputation and credibility to accept "the proceeds of crime". The underground economy will have to continue in order for the numbers bosses to "launder" their profits.

Just because the government may say "okay it's legal now", all the prior years of illegal operation are still considered illegal. Since the only way the legalization can take place is to shut the numbers houses down, confiscate all assets and lock up the perpetrators, and then have new potential operators open up "new" numbers houses under the new legal framework, this legislation will never pass in Parliament. Christie and his fumbling bunch of idiots will never lock up the numbers bosses, so they will be dancing around the issue for the next 3 years.

Jlcandu and Talrussell,

I think you are both right. Looking at the details of the new gambling bill in today’s morning paper, it looks as if it is the intention to restrict the numbers business to the extent that it is unprofitable.

No online gaming, players need identification, players need to physically show up in person, no foreigners allowed, cash only bets, no credit cards, no account transfers between house accounts, no international subsidiaries and no loans! Looks like they don’t want them to compete with the banks. Not sure if they are asking for GAAP audits by international accounting firms.

Add to this laundry list retroactive penalties, major international banks not accepting the business, local regulatory concerns and whatever additional restrictions are placed by the FATF. Ohhh…have we discussed this legislation with big brother to see if they have any concerns?

The best part of the new law is the splitting of the licenses into 3 parts – house, premise and agent. Each license has its own risk profile. Maybe Bay and East Streets will hold the house while distributing the riskier premises and agent licenses to the boys.

Stay tuned…but in the meantime the lights are being turned of in the schools of our nation’s second city.

If the webshops were serious they would implement some of these policies now...transfers between accounts? What is that? Payment for a hit? They don't have to show up to collect payment? No ID required? With al of the "sophistication" they lauded in their system and this is the back room operation they're running TODAY while rebuking the gaming board chairman on the front page of the newspaper?

I agree

Amen, amen,amen. Proceeds taken to revolutionize education in this country. We need to start competing with our Caribbean neighbours on brains as opposed to bling.

If procrastination had been an Olympic event, Bahamaland's Olympic Committee could have raised millions of dollars from the numbers men's to send PM Christie and his Comrade Minister Obie, off to bring home the guaranteed Gold Medal in the procrastination team heat.

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WHICH ON OF THE BELOW REIGNS SUPREME IN THE BAHAMAS?

The Bahamas Lottery and Gaming Act Chapter 387 Section 50 Persons prohibited from Gaming

Or

The Constitution of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas Chapter III – Protection of Fundamental Rights and Freedom of the Individual. Section 26 Protection from Discrimination on grounds of Race, Place of Origin etc.

The Bahamas Gaming Association stands by the Ideology that all human beings who are 18 years or older should be treated equally in all sectors of the Bahamian Economy which is enshrined in the Constitution of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas.

Is this the numbers Mafia of The Bahamas?????????????

Hasn't Minister Obie, the PM or his AG not bothered to read this?

5. (1) Any person who pays or deposits any money
or money’s worth to or with any person for the purpose of
participating in a lottery, shall be guilty of an offence and
liable on summary conviction, in the case of a first
conviction for such offence, to a fine not exceeding one
thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not
exceeding twelve months or to both such fine and
imprisonment .

all of my christian brothers and sisters, PLEASE remember the golden rule, as it is more than a way a life, especially here in my Bahamaland, he who has the gold makes the rules, take that suckers, ALL FOR ME BABY ALL FOR ME

In today's Bahamas, the US tourist dollar beats a webshop any day.