29 million extra due to dredging specifications being changed...he really does think we are idiots.

The things this Deputy Leader be's pok'in her nose into. Comrade Sister Loretta, MP for Long Island represents probably the only major Island anywhere in Bahamaland that does not have an influx of Haitians. In fact they say, you can load the Island's entire population of Haitians into a Jitney. An MP with no pressing need to buy new marine craft to have Bahamaland's Marine Defense Forces patrol boats to be cruising around Long island.

You saying she shouldn't be poking her nose in it? I'm very curious as to why we are now having to pay more for less...29 Million MORE...plus we get 2 less boats. Must be our highly selective bargaining teams...they will find a way to 'spend' that extra 8 million for reserve costs...don't worry about that either!! Someone has a house that needs some work...or a new house they want built somewhere...

Comrade for same reason a gallon of milk has skyrocketed in price ...inflation. If Loretta and her reds were so damn smart why didn't they sign the boats deal when it was guaranteed be $29 million less? Oh yeah, too busy defending sale BTC and instructing NIB write check for $11 million make beer. I sure hope she ran this pass "he own outlook on things PLP" Darron before she spoke? You don't just negotiate a deal with a ship builder, walk away and then expect same price when you return negotiating table. Ask Super Value's Rupert all about inflation cause he's always saying how he's going have close stores and lay off workers cause everything costing more today. So does boats cost more build, since Loretta and her cabinet colleagues failed to sign on dotted line when the price was $29 million cheaper.

Just using simple math...that's some serious inflation, even for a boat builder...2 years ago, 120 Mil for 11 boats...so 10.9 Mil average...2 years later, 149 Mil for 9 boats...16.5 Mil average per boat...DAMN!! I'm in the wrong business!! Over a 50% increase in cost over 2 years.

Very good observation B-I-D. I wait to hear the answer to your post on the numbers.

I was going along with her until she said "Most of the ships are the same, there have been some changes." She is wrong right there because she should've had expert opinion to calculate the difference in the boat versus the difference in price.
I'm not taking up for the PLP crooks but the intelligent thing to do is get the expert opinion first because she probably don't know the difference between a Dinky and a Boston Whaler

Tal you really have a complex problem when it comes to these bunch of thieves. Why would she not question what the extra monies for,because they will be the first to shout you'll knew about it.It's to line their pockets all them a bunch of crooks from the DUMB ass PM.You are BI-POLAR bad.

Comrade Tal, I guess you dont jack about Long Island. You cant fill a Honda Civic with the Haitians on Long Island. On the other hand, at least half of the income on Long Island comes from fishing. We need the RBDF to stop the damn Dominican poachers.

This is the same Government that had a 100 million dollars over run. Questioning 8 million dollars. Mr. Halkitis explained it so well that a four year old could understand. and Ms. Turner knows that there is something called inflation. But she must have her starring roll ,camera, Lights . And one up on Doctor NO Minnis.

You know what they say some people always believe some one is stealing something . Mr. .Halkitis is a fine upstanding man. a good example of what a Bahamian young man should be. Notice how he conducts himself and his speech. May the good Lord bless him. God has already blessed him with a good brain. I believe it has something to do with the values installed in persons from Cat Island. Take note of the outstanding persons who came from Cat Island, There is something in them.

god did give him a good ,

I suggest you have a look at B_I_D__'s comments here on inflation. Or perhaps even do the math yourself because you're looking at 50% inflation in 2 years.

Mr. Halkitis is a fine upstanding man until he jump ship to the FNM, then he is the worst thing on the face of God's earth.

Don't you think Comrade Loretta as the deputy leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition should have first become familiarized with the skyrocketing inflation that has hit all boat builders the world over? Just one call to any boat builder by the deputy leader would have stopped her from talking about something she has zero knowledge about. Is she now suggesting Hubert took her into his confidence over any negotiations he might have had as minister of finance pertaining boat building? Hardly likely. Not only have skyrocketing material costs gone through the roof but the availability of boat building materials presents a serious problem to boat builders. Comrades if we are to take Loretta at face value,only two conclusions can be drawn here, ether the boat builders are such bad business people that they would price themselves out of winning new contracts in an highly competitive boat building market by a cool $29 million, or someone in PLP is pocketing a windfall? Of course their is always that third option, she talk'in just make noise on political 'leadership" scene. Had Loretta made just one single phone call she would have known that many boat builders have gone bankrupt or simply closed their doors since she sat in Hubert's cabinet. A cabinet that spent and borrowed more money than all the Pindling administrations spent and borrowed collectively. Maybe Darron has a point about. all Loretta and her reds know how do, is to oppose, oppose and copse anything PM Christie does, and it matters not that the reds have no plan of their own to put before Bahamalander's. Darron for leader.

50% inflation for boat builders in 2 years? I think not Tal. Your second option is the one that is the winner. Someone is pocketing a windfall.

Do we even know who bid on this? Was this an open and transparent bidding process with requests for proposals, or public tenders? No, it was another backroom deal. Just another corrupt dealing to add to the growing list.

Ahh...the "comrade" guy has been busy i this section! LOL

na she was lock up for trying to grab the mace

Anyone who has the gall to support this PLP led-government deserve where this country is heading..................... south to the Cayman conference to talk about ETHICS. This government has no ethics........................................ SAD, SAD, SAD
All you pro-Perry/PLP commentators.................... hang your head in shame

Sheeprunner, the point is they ain gat no shame. You have to understand that there are people in this world who will never see the truth, no matter how hard it hits them in the face.

The same thing with the FNM, they both suck and only look out for themselves.

More $2,000 suites for the guys in charge, while the country struggles.

Tal, you are the biggest A hole in the Bahamas.

Its actually insane to still be patrolling the Bahamas by boat when it is cheaper to use planes.
Ten Cessna 208 properly outfitted with the latest technology would probably cost the government about 2 million dollars each for a grand total of 20 million.They can patrol the entire Bahamas in less than three hours every morning. Place about 20 go fast boats(10 arm defence forceofficers each) along the chain of islands from Inagua straight on up to Bimini. Once the plane spots a suspicious boat than a go fast boat can be dispatch to intercept.If the boats are properly position they should reach any point in the Bahamas in less than an hour.

Those Cessna's could just be UAV's and bring the figure down to $200,000 for each. There is absolutely no thinking or logic that went into buying these boats other than somebody lining their pockets with the people's money.

Comrade GQ, not that I mind you calling me names but the next time you're so inclined could you try whispering, so the entire Tribune readership are not in listening-in.

Comrade Tal, would you please stop abusing the word "comrade" on a daily basis? Limited vocab huh?

I wouldn't be abusing Comrade but if I always speak big long grammar words, how would you understand me? You think I talk this way, if I didn't have to? No worry cause if we ever meet I'll drop the Comrade and speak painfully slowly. i still think you're a great Comrade brother, Bahamalander or foreigner makes no difference to me.

You're just in love with that word. Knock yourself out...LOL

"Following a six-year acquisition program, the Government of the Bahamas.. " http://www.damen.com/news/2013/04/patro…

http://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/8…

11 vessels to be bought were detailed on pg 21 of the fnm 2012 manifesto." 4- 70ft bank class, 4-180 ft bank class, 2 -140 ft island class, 1 -170 ft auxiliary vessel".
http://www.scribd.com/doc/89158634/FNM-…
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2012/apr…

Now after signing the letter of intent for this same acquisition they're getting " four Damen Stan Patrol 4201 vessels – 138 feet long with an 8 feet draft, four Damen Stan Patrol 3007 vessels – 98 feet wide with a 6.5 feet draft, and 9 Rigid Inflatable Boats." http://www.tribune242.com/news/2014/mar…

98 feet wide boats?

See the length of the models http://www.damen.com/markets/stan-patrol

Some descriptions of these are:

Damen- " Stan Lander 5612, a dedicated roll-on, roll-off landing craft which will be fitted with a 25 tonne crane and demountable disaster relief equipment. Special containers will be acquired to provide emergency relief, medical facilities, desalinated water and sanitary equipment which will rapidly be deployed in the event of a natural disaster. In addition, eight patrol vessels, four of the Damen Stan Patrol 4207 type and another four type SPa 3007, will join the Bahamas’ fleet."

Fleet expert blogger comments
" One, a “San Lander 5612,” is a small ro/ro much like the old LCUs, intended for disaster response. Four will be a version of Damen’s, Stan Patrol 4207, 42 meter patrol boats, which includes the Canadian patrol boats we discussed earlier, that are closely related to the Coast Guard’s own Fast Response Cutter.
What I found particularly interesting were the four smaller patrol boats with a Damen developed “axe bow” because they may give us a glimpse at the future replacement for the 87 foot “Marine Protecctor” class WPBs (27 meters long, 6 meter beam), which was also a Damen design. Its designation, SPa 3007, indicates it is 30 meters long and a 7 meter beam (98.4 ft long, 23 ft beam)."http://chuckhillscgblog.net/2013/04/19/…

So If 3007, indicates it is 30 meters long and a 7 meter beam (98.4 ft long, 23 ft beam) then a 4207 must mean 138 ft and 23ft beam. So these 8 patrols are now all significantly smaller than fnms 180 ft bank class (4), 140 ft island class (2), and 170 ft auxiliary vessel. And now 9 inflatables aka Dinghys?
http://www.damen.com/markets/stan-patrol

PLEASE TELL ME IF THIS WAS ALREADY BUDGETED FOR WHY THE HELL PLP CLAIMING TO BORROW MONEY FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT A FULL YEAR AFTER THE SIGNING OF INTENT WHEN THEY'VE SPENT 3BN SO FAR ALREADY AND THIS IS THE ONLY ALLOCATION OF BORROWED FUNDS I'VE HEARD OF YET. WHAT'S COSTING AN EXTRA $100 MILLION?

"The vessels will serve to increase patrol capacity and create an "effective dragnet and defense posture, and will include four 70-foot vessels, at a cost of $21 million; four 108-foot vessels, at a cost of $46 million; two 140-foot vessels, at a cost of $27 million; and one 170-foot supply vessels, at a cost of $12 million. That's for a total of some $120 million to be expended on increasing the patrol capacity of the Royal Bahamas Defence Force, Mr Ingraham said."
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2012/apr…

Ask Jamaica or Mexico how much they paid- "The two StanPatrol 4207 patrol boats – ARM Tenochtitlan (PC-331) and ARM Teotihuacan (PC-332) were built at a cost of $9 million USD each at ASTIMAR 1 in Tampico, Tamaulipas and completed in April and May 2012" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damen_Sta…
http://www.damen.com/en/news/2013/05/th…

HAI said the 15 ft dredge would cost $20 mil.
Also the smaller boats in this new deal should compensate something for the 4 docks and Contracted maintenance or whatever else in that video ( which HIA mentioned "We also plan to develop a base in Grand Bahama, and sub-bases in Abaco and Exuma."We will maintain a continuous presence at strategic choke-points throughout the length and breadth of our island-chain in order to combat poaching as well as gun, drug and human trafficking ). So they traded out four 70-foot vessels, at a cost of $21 million; four 108-foot vessels, at a cost of $46 million; for two more of the 140-foot vessels ($27 million for 2 HIA said = 13.5mil each, which mexico paid $9 mil each for the same boats some years earlier ) and four bank able ones, the 3007s instead ( bigger than the 70footers). The 9 Rigid dhingeys don't cost no million dollars even combined.

Estimating based on HIA's budget
~$13.5 x 4 (140ft 4207s) = 54 million
~max $10 (doubt it) x 4 ( at 98 ft the 3007s are bigger than the 70ft @ 5.25 million ea) = 40 million
~ same supply boat ( not mentioned in tribune's latest post but accounted for by Damen) 12 mil
~at least one doc for sure cost $20 mil
~9 blow up boats probably no where near even $400 grand (guessing)
= $126,400,000
now even if you add a preposterous $20 mil for each extra dock which it sure as hell is not,
total would be $186,400. Still leaving $45, 600, 000 went to somewhere.

Compare this whole project to the one Damen and Van de Kreke did for Dubai http://www.thenational.ae/business/indu…
http://www.damen.com/en/news/2014/01/da…

http://www.ihsmaritime360.com/article/1…

In brief, an investment of Dh365m (1 Dirham= .20 cents , total project cost = $99 million):
284,000 square-metre site ( however many ft a sq meters is) , has 1,200 metres of quay, and a water depth up to nine metres (29.5 ft compared to our 15 ft). Something about getting more than 120 vessels a year, a new vessel built and delivered to them each month ( this either means from Damen or for the new yard to build itself). Something about an order of 70 vessels under contract (again this either means from Damen or for the new yard to build itself) However the two multicats, two shoalbusters, two barges, one aluminium crew boat and 10 ASD tugs mentioned are Damen purchases for sure (shipyard boats as opposed to our navy boats I guess). The yard built also has facilities to repair and construct all type of vessels.

Dubai's purchases:
http://damensharjah.com/en/products
http://www.damen.com/markets/multi-cat
http://www.damen.com/markets/shoalbuster
http://www.damen.com/markets/pontoons-a…
http://www.damen.com/en/markets/fast-cr…
http://www.damen.com/en/news/2013/03/da…

A purchase this planned might have already been in the kitty , and if not , why couldn't 3bn spent so far account for it some damn where. YOU TELLING ME DUBAI SPENT LESS FOR MORE??.

Enough people out here know boats and work to shipyards.

kickbacks,kickbacks

@GQ-I don't think Tal is the biggest “A” hole in the Bahamas. Unfortunately Tal is in denial. Tal reminds me of the typical Bahamian mother who has this troublesome child that wreaks havoc on society. The child always runs in problem with the law, stealing, racketeering and breaking every law in the book. Everyone can see that this child is a no good nuttin piece a shite- But not the mother. No, not her good chile!

LOL..... thats a good one Emac. Just one question.................................... Will we buy these boats and not maintain them like the HMBS Bahamas and Nassau and after 5 years, they are in the bone yard?????????? I like the idea of the Cessnas and UAVs/go-fast boats. Its cheaper and more efficient. Renward "Einstein" Wells was making a lot of sense.

The thing is, when these new boats arrive, a lot of the boats that are already under plenty stress or partially fit for duty will be decommissioned and of course majority of them will be replaced.

Of course when you combine the think’in camaraderie atmosphere of a Hurricane and EMC, why not throw-in your true thoughts like; "Tal reminds us of the typical 'singled/unwed' mother with a bastard child. What more could you expect her to raise than this troublesome child that wreaks havoc on society. Her child is destined to always runs in problems with the law, stealing, racketeering and breaking every law in the book. Everyone can see that this child is a no good nuttin piece a shite- who will grow up to run afoul of the law. An ideal candidate to be running numbers, another one them entitlement politicians (like there is a difference in today's Bahamaland), maybe even a murderer."

Did I get this one right cause it's so damn easy to lay the blame on "single/unwed mothers," who to some are always at very roots of the nation's crime and blatant corruption ...right Comrades?

I wonder why we haven't invested in any 'Air Power' yet. We cant afford jets and their maintenance, but in this day and age, Helicopters for both Defence Force and Police would be a great asset. The view from above is far more adequate, and a lot of area can be monitored. Imagine how many ships 1-4 helicopters strategically placed throughout the country can replace in terms of reconnaissance. The bird in the sky can effectively dispatch ships to right areas for interdiction. I mean why has this not even been considered? We cannot depend on just the U.S Coast Guard because when they leave our territory to observe other ones, we are actually blind in terms of proper defense. Has anyone seen those '206 Jet Ranger Helicopters'? They can of course be modified/customized for proper reconnaissance for example. Paint them a special color, with proper identification like they did our new police vehicles, they can even be armed in case of emergencies etc. The possibilities are endless.

@Tal-Come now Tal, be fair. I was not mocking single mothers. Even though my father lived with us, my mother operated as a single mother, providing for us while instilling manners,respect etc. With that said, If my mother was able to to do all of this, why should we excuse these single mothers who have even more opportunities that she did. I am sorry but everyone has a choice in life. If a woman keep making babies after one, while single, then she is just plain stupid. Only callin it as I see it. Everyone looking for excuses in life.