Comrades it sounds like shooting "suspects" during an arrest have become the norm. I sure hope each and every shooting, will be investigated - thoroughly.

this year we worried about murder rate....... by 2020 we prob worry about the extinction of the bahamian people

Comrade, no society is safe when shootings keep reoccurring. I am hocked we seem willing to accept them as no need question, why shootings by policeman's are on the increase.

Don't start blaming the police for all this killing. We all know that almost every young biggity boy and girl got access to a gun and are willing to use it.
The police are doing what our useless parents aren't; they are teaching these young kids to either respect the law or suffer the consequences. I blame ALL of this on our parents. If my kids are ever arrested or shot by police then I take full responsibility for not teaching them properly.
If a policeman tells me to stop, I will put my hands over my head and lay on the floor. ANYONE who talks back to or ignores the order of a policeman is a COMPLETE IDIOT... and societies don't need idiots.

see thats all well an good, but what comrada Tal is alluding too is that not all police are saints, and that the use of deadly force should not be the norm of police procedure. 'Black lives matter' no matter who is pulling the trigger

I FULLY agree that not all police are saints. But, from my experience (i'm 46) the bad police tend to ONLY get riled up when confronted with biggity people. I've seen it many times. I have never seen a cop here just walking around looking for a fight or an opportunity to shoot someone in the head.

You are asking for serious trouble when you accept policemen as judge jury and executioner. What happens when the police goes to the wrong house and shoots someone in the head? Police are trained, I'm assuming, to incapacitate suspects, shooting two in the head and one in the neck (earlier incident) sounds like an execution.

Well unfortunately our courts are not carrying out punishment as they should (jail time for a joint makes no sense and bail for a 3rd time murderer doesn't make sense). Neither are our parents punishing their kids or keeping their kids safe and out of trouble. This only leaves the police and, knowing absolutely no one in the police force or even having friends with family in the police force, I lay my trust in them.
Someone needs to deal with criminals and our police force is out there every single day dealing with them. Most of them know what they are doing.

Tal, anytime a suspect points a firearm at a police officer or citizen for that matter they should have their sorry ass thoroughly ventilated! Don't want new and bigger holes in your ass, get out with your hands high and empty!

Comrades, I am not questioning policeman's shootings when deemed necessary, meaning only when an policeman's. or members of the public, lives are in life-threatening danger. What no citizen wants is for the immediate reaction of the policeman's to draw their weapons and shoot someone. Shootings by policeman's should be a seen as extremely rare and unfamiliar occurrences. Let's at minimum demand independent investigations, whenever any policeman's uses force against a citizen, resident or visitor.

Murders by police are on the rise because murders in general are on the rise.

In each case, there was resistance to arrest or outright combat. Clearly these criminals have no regard for their own safety. To top it off, they unnecessarily risk lives of the overworked, understaffed, underpaid officers. With 95 plus murders and counting, who can blame them for possibly overestimating the level of danger?

My2cents you have to be careful now because you are getting almost as bad as TalRussell.
Jean was on the most wanted list , wanted for armed robbery among other crimes. I get the
impression that if you and Tal were police officers you would say ,"Hi Jean ! We were looking
for you for quite a while," while opening the squad car door , standing outside."We are not
armed because we do not like violence, come, PLEASE?"
Then we would have two military funerals the next week.

I agree with you; so I am not sure of the disconnect. I think the officers acted appropriately. An abundance of caution was needed in dealing with career criminals who were resisting arrest. Arresting officers should never let their guard down...their uniforms and unfamiliarity with their surroundings is an extreme disadvantage. One less criminal, zero military funerals sounds good to me.

If police kill an armed and "known to be dangerous" suspect, I suppose this is some kind of capital punishment? I do not blame The Police for using maximum force when confronted with an armed suspect who opens fire. Am I sorry to hear about the death of yet another young Nahamian man? Yes I am, but I am also happy and relieved to hear that the arresting officers are unharmed.

Jean was a badman no doubt. But i think i'm the only one who gets the point Tal is making. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. Yall is sey reh reh bout murder murder is this and that person fault, mean time when police kill yall jumping for joy. The reasoning yall using behind why police should kill is the reasoning ppl in the street use to kill their one another. we should expect more accountability from the police. Tal is not saying that it's bad of the police to stop Jean in this way, but that if it the use of leathal force was warrented, and investigation into the circumstances surrounding it would illustrate that fact. However, the shoot first ask later mentality, and the jump for joy yall is give the police for shooting someone does not encourage accountability nor responsibility. It's just making Nassau more like the wild west where we have desperados and lawmen just bussin guns

I feel no sadness any time a wanted criminal or a man with an ankle bracelet is taken out. Sure a single policeman may make a mistake, but for the police force to add someone to a 'wanted' list, I am pretty certain that guy is a waste of space and needs to be cremated.

Too often the criminal is given the benefit of the doubt in these situations. Both incidents involving this man's encounter with officers were described as gun battles, and no reports have surfaced that this public incident went any other way than as described. Until such time, police officers deserve the benefit of the doubt over these bold and confirmed criminals any day.

Conrade Pablojay, your comments about my positing on policeman's shootings do not reflect the point I was making. I passed no pre judgment, whether the shooting in this particular incident was justified or not. How could I, when I was not present at the scene and I assume that nor were you I simply am calling for such shootings to be independently investigated with such reports made public. Simply to read in the media a policeman's spokesman's justification statement, shouldn't be sufficient for any citizen. They too must know that whenever they use deadly armed force against persons, they will be made to answer to the people.

Who are we to investigate and determine whether an officer felt threatened or not by violent criminals? Should they retreat when being shot at? Should they assume a criminal is running away to safety and not a gun or to alert an armed accomplice? Should they make all of these split second decisions under duress? Or should they pretend to be bulletproof? Hindsight cannot be used to determine how or what should have happened in these high adrenaline circumstances. There should be a report in each case, and at most retraining. We cannot take ordinary, underpaid citizens and expect them to perform as highly trained Navy seals in a hostile, criminal hub such as Nassau.

If these were trafficking offenders who died inexplicably in custody or undue force, I would agree with a thorough investigation.

Comrade My 2cents, theres no argument to be made there are a lot of crime fed-up Tribune readers across the political spectrum who feel exactly like you do - but you also have
respect others on the other side who feel we need to send a loud and clear message to policeman's, that while the people want and need you to protect us and to enforce our laws,
it must be subject to full transparency and accountability.

man tal dey ein get it yinno. And still Bahamian ppl dem still confused why Bahamian ppl dem (cops, citizen, or otherwise) is a murderous people. According to their reasoning no police can do wrong and anyone who is not 100% for police should be shot. The circumstances of these individuals is not respected, as they are like animals, easily vilified as criminals, and to be shot like dogs. Like i dun say, Jean get his come-uppance no doubt. I take issue with the revelling in killing of a HUMAN. To y'all it's not about humans or lives or families or accountability, responsibility and professional policing. It's gangland mentality; collect them before they collect you. Thats how i see so called criminals find it so easy to kill people, they think in some kind of distorted black and white perception of reality. I still wastin my words typing this but i can congratulate the police for removing a criminal from the streets, NOT for shooting him dead.

These cases are pretty transparent...suicide by cop. Anything other than following police orders can be perceived as a threat to the officers' safety and therefore, they have the right to protect themselves. An investigation, or public opinion, cannot decipher whether he/she felt threatened.

Split second decisions, fueled by adrenaline or fear can easily be negotiated into something else in the light of day. Officers should not have the additional burden of second guessing themselves when their authority is blatantly disregarded, and their safety threatened. If they are, then an even louder message is sent to criminals that they are truly in control.

My2cents that sounds more like what i expect from you and other bloggers with common
sense.We have to remember that police officers are sworn to protect our society from
criminal elements are for the most part just like us, only that they are in a profession and a
society now,unlike the one of my youth,where they have to carry firearms. They also have
first hand knowledge of the prevalence of illegal firearms on our street and of the criminals
propensity to use them in their activity, whether to frighten ,harm, or kill.
I am almost certain that at the end of their shift they would like to report that it was a quiet day
with nothing to report ,however when that is not the case, they must be prepared to return to their families just as they were when they left for work,even if it means using deadly force to
subdue a wanted and armed criminal,whose desire it is for them to do otherwise.I have no problem with an investigation,afterwards

they muss kno bout illicit firearms bey, where you think some of them guns is coming from, thats how y'all is simple jhed