Yes, take away his QC honors, but please flog Mr. Munroe first so he can learn some sense and stop making asinine suggestions.

If Munroe's tittle is stripped, so should Fred Smith's. He has made equally distasteful remarks over the years. But I'm not surprised by the hypocrisy of this group, not at all!

Fred Smith fights for the rights of us all.

The same cannot be said for Munroe.

And if you can't discern the difference I pitty you.

Fights for all? He fights for non-bahamains. And no, there is no difference between him calling for a bloody revolution many years ago and Munroe's comment. I have also not heard of Munroe making light of the holocaust by claiming the Bahamas was operating as such. If you choose to see a line between Munroe and Smith, it's an extremely thin one.

No, he fights for all.

He is the one who challenged the police when they were doing road blocks in the 1980's.

Those road blocks affected Bahamians, I know because I went through these road blocks regularly.

You don't have those road blocks today because of Fred Smith

No he does not. The 1980s was a long time ago. Lately, Fred Smith has been threatening to bankrupt The Bahamas and sink the economy with his villain rhetoric, and in so doing threatening poor and disenfranchised Bahamians further into debt and further into conditions much like that of Haiti. Then what? Bahamians and Haitians alike become clients after landing illegally in the US and elsewhere I suppose.

That was before my time. However, based on his actions today ..I beg t0 differ. We may not have road blocks today because it was inconvenient for Fred Smith or lucky coincidence. We give the loud mouths of today (and yesterday) far too much credit for nothing.

he does not fight for non-Bahamians, he is fighting for this government to adhere to the standards of human rights it has sign up for. I think from that perspective Smith is the bigger patriot than Munroe. we want to be part of the first world, so lets act accordingly. "Lets ship Munroe's a?s back to where he came from, maybe he can run to show over there" (a page taken from Mr. Millers book).

Laughable. You really believe that? Talk about naïve...!

Fred Smith is no better than the politicians he condemns...only difference is, he clearly benefits from the misfortune of illegal immigrants. Munroe is all (frustrated) talk. Meanwhile, Fred Smith is ready for (adverse) action. Be careful who you root for...we might all suffer.

These are the so called "leaders" in our nation? Holy crap!

While what munroe said was in bad taste it is protected under freedom of speech

there is no freedom of speech in the Bahamas. But beyond that if an educated person uses that kind of speech, there is certainly no freedom of stupidity.

Chapter 3 of the constitution lists freedom of expression which covers freedom of speech/opinion

IS FLOGGING ILLEGAL IN THE BAHAMAS???? ............ NOOOOOO

The point is, Mr. Munroe was appointed a QC.

This means that he is a expert in the laws of the country and should not be encouraging people to break the very laws he has sworn to uphold.

Mr. Munroe should either apologize for his reckless statements or give back his title as QC and even consider resigning from The Bahamas Bar.

Smith also encourages people to break the law. Did he not advise immigrants that they cannot be arrested by immigration officers? Did he not say running away from law enforcement was acceptable? We cannot pick whose comments were more callous based on who they where directed to or against.

No he does not. He points out that the various government departments are not following the law.

He is correct about the immigration officers. They can only arrest under special circumstances and they have to follow the law to be able to do that.

Put quite simply immigration officers are used to being able to unlawfully pick up people and get away with it. He is putting a stop to that just as he stopped the unlawful road blocks that the police used the put up in the 1980's.

He also lets people know what their rights are.

The law is subject to interpretation. Fred Smith's every interpretation of the law is not always correct, as some of you seem to believe. If a person is suspected of being an illegal immigrant, the powers, privileges, protections and authorities of a police officer are conferred on the immigration officer and they should be respected as such.

You are correct that the law is subject to interpretation. The courts have interpreted the cases Fred Smith has been involved in and have agreed with him.
You need to read the cases.

I have read a few, but please name any case where it was determined by the judge that immigration officers overstepped their authority in arresting suspected illegal immigrants. The point remains that it is reckless for a lawyer, a QC at that, to advise immigrants that it is reasonable for them to run away from law enforcement officers.

It's amazing what people decide to believe. If you read and understood he constitution, you would know immigration officers absolutely have the powers to arrest. Prejudice and bias, works both ways...you are a clear example of that!

Read what the courts have ruled to see what the Constitution says.

The courts set out on what basis these powers can be exercised.

Smith is making sure that immigration follows the Constitution.

Read what the constitution says, immigration officers are conferred with all of the powers of a police officer if they suspect or is investigating an offense. Ch 191, part 3 sections 8 and 9 are very clear.

The courts do not agree with you.

Then the courts are wrong just as they are in not enforcing penalties for employing and aiding illegal immigrants. This is why Fred Smith is praising them. Lawlessness in the legal profession is not unheard of...

Well the problem is that Munroe is not suggesting to break the laws, he is suggesting to adjust the laws to make flogging lawful - which I think is even worse coming from a man that is a descendant of a slave.

Do you honestly believe a flogging illegal immigrants bill would ever be tabled in the house?

Comrade Wayne might be as guilty as all sin over talking political stupidity to whip illegal immigrants but hardly guilty of professional misconduct. You could easily argue he may not be a fit and proper person to be nominated as a candidate to run to sit up in the Honourable House of Assembly as an elected representative of, for and on behalf of constituents.
I seriously doubt you could get Her Majesty to entertain to revoke Wayne's assent to King's Counsel as long as his membership is not rescinded off the roll of lawyers belonging to Bahamaland's Bar Association.
Comrades we all believe lots strange things going happen leading up to the 2017 GENERAL but we shall have to leave it to political gravity to decide on Wayne's political fate, not Buckingham Palace to order he remove the King's Counsel's Royal Crest from his Supreme Court's legal gown.
Amen!

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Just another PLP jack ass

I am amazed at this Long Island man ........... who knows why Haitians do not come to Long Island ..................... but then again he is misled and brainwashed by a Haitian

Never mind what Joe Darville says Fred Smith told him what to say. He is Fred Smith"s follower and what ever Fred tells him to do he does. He is Fred's errand boy and he is not even good at that. Joe had nothing to say when Fred Compared the Bahamas to Adolf Hitler.

Perhaps some shanty town should be built next to Fred and Joe. It is my hope that Joe finds something constructive to do, All of that good Catholic education has gone to waste. And did he have anything to say when Bran said there should be hangings in Rawson Square. I suppose that was all right because they would most likely be Bahamians. Joe has not been in the lime light lately, so here he is. He knows there will be no flogging.

Birdie, it is very apparent that you don't know much about Joe Darville. He is a founding member of the Grand Bahama Human Rights Association.

I remember going to the Late Basil Cooper's "Speakers Corner" in the late 1980's to hear Joe Darville speak. Tal, you may remember Speaker Corner.

He did not have Fred Smith with him and he spoke out about our educational system and what needed to be done for our youth. He could see that what was being provided was likely to bread criminals.

He spoke out at a time when your beloved party had no problem in victimizing him.

Joe Darville should be ashamed of himself for making such a statement .He did not call for Fred Smith to be disbarred .Church leaders? what Church does Joe go to ? He wants Mr: Munroe to be flogged. So what does that say about him. Then he goes on to insult the Bahamian people and immigration officers as if Haitians are saints. who have done nothing wrong. Joe must have had one to many.

Don Anthony Why are you and Joe asking for Mr: Munroe to be flogged if it is wrong for illegals it has to be wrong for all. shame on you and Joe Darville. Perhaps if the Road blocks had continued the crime rate may not be so high.

Birdie my comment clearly went right over your head, but then intellectualism or even common sense was never your strong point. I was engaging in satire, by answering a ridiculous comment with an equally ridiculous comment. Of course no one should be flogged but it is interesting that you claim to care for poor black people, yet the only people you want flogged happen to be poor black people. Notice Mr Munroe said nothing about flogging illegal Americans who sometimes enter our country.
As for road blocks, they are illegal, Fred Smith proved this in court a long time ago, but you love lawlessness as you love this lawless government. So you enjoy sitting in your illegal roadblock, not for me as I know my rights and intend to see they are not being violated.

Comrade here is mitigating difference between the two King's Counsels.
King's Counsel Freddy is a serial offender, known to have previously made number outlandish statements - whilst Wayne is a first-time offender.
Means one King's Counsel, could be a candidate be ordered into rehab treatment. The other may be beyond help?
If the three strikes and you're removed from society for good law, were on the law society's books - in order for justice to be seen as being delivered, don't you think da law society could potentially hand Freddie a stiffer sentence to spend the rest his natural life away from da legal profession?

I totally agree with birdie and my2cents. If Munroe is asked to be disbarred, then so should Fred Smith. Oh and by the way: The Haitian apologists here who are saying that Fred Smith fights for the rights of all human beings, please show me one link within the last decade where Fred mentions anything in favor of any other nationality other than Haitians. You people are so f---king lopsided that it ain't funny. Please cast aside your emotions and look at both sides and then be truthful. In my book, Fred is far more worst than Munroe. At least Munroe is looking out for he people. Fred wants to give illegals the same rights as hardworking Bahamians. Go figure!

Suggest that you read the case of Harvey Tynes (now QC) versus the police for wrongful arrest. He won.

Guess who his lawyer was - no it was not Wayne.

This so called activist is very selective about his battles. The island that he lives on, Freeport, has major issues with child abuse. Where is Darville's voice concerning child abuse????? http://freeport.nassauguardian.net/News…
If the welfare of children are not the biggest concern in our country, then what is? Besides Darville was a former school principal. You would think he woulda have something to say. This man ain serious 'bout no human rights, trust me!

Whenever economist show you what you say is not there, you change subject to something else...
I usually like what Emac posts, but when it comes to Haitians this guy have his opinions, and that's it. Haitian = the Devil. You can't tell him nothing.

I don't agree with illegal immigration, but i don't agree with how our gov't goes about 'enforcing' the law either. There ARE HAITIANS that need to be deported. but that does not make them all some kind of outright evil. Just because some people have human compassion for those who they recognize to be humans, does not mean we agree with a whole-sale free-for-all Haitian settlement of the Bahamas.

It's food for thought to consider that many Haitians have escaped Haiti (which is all any of them are trying to do) and have gotten established in the US and Canada (the past Governor General of Canada was Haitian......). As such they are potential tourist to our country, but i don't think they'll come here to spend money (which is all we want from tourist), and may also exercise political influence aginst us (like that lady from Florida)

Don Anthony the Rocket Scientist, I never agreed that any body at all should be flogged. But as dumb as you and others say I am. I have enough sense to know this is all about the politics

Don Anthony the Rocket Scientist. I never agreed that any one should be flogged, no one at all. But as dumb as you say I am. I know for sure this is all about the politics. Fred Smith has said worse, Your Delivery Boy or your Papa what ever he is to you has said worse. Dr: Minnis has said worse and do you remember Bran calling for hangings in Rawson Square. there was no out cry. even when members of the clergy called for hangings. No out cry. FNM's will milk this one as long as they can. politics, politics. But you can rest assured that the Bahamian people are not as dumb as you believe.

My goodness!!! Birdie has hit the nail on the head. Hanging is far worst than flogging. There was no public outcry as it is now when Bran made that statement! Could it be because Bahamians think that other Bahamians deserve barbaric treatment??? I mean what is it? Boy Bahamians sure do have selective memories. Yep it is about the politics indeed. That is sad. I truly believe if Munroe was running on the FNM ticket, the reaction would be different.

Funny that Wayne Munroe was with the DNA and ran for their Deputy Leader post but lost to Christopher Mortimer. Branville McCartney wanted public hangings and Munroe wants public floggings. Is barbaric public punishment (torture) a trait of the DNA?

It demonstrates consistency over political posturing; Kudos to the DNA.

Sounds like Sharia Law.

Reputation wise, if that means anything in this Failed State, Munroe is "done" both professionally and politically. Amazing how one slip of the tongue can seal one's fate, but as a Lawyer, he should obviously have known better than to utter such nonsense, particularly as a QC. How embarrassing to publically expose such ignorance.

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Emac - To see just one of many examples of Fred Smith fighting for the rights of Bahamians - Rubis fuel spill victims, those sold out over the Small Homes Repair Project – see below. Do I win a prize?

http://www.thebahamasweekly.com/publish…

Emac - Fred Smith telling BAHAMIANS about their rights. Shall I continue?

https://www.facebook.com/87709582232067…

Please continue...and also include one where he fought for the human rights of a Bahamian and took his concerns international human rights agencies on their behalf. Telling Bahamians about their rights, challenging the PLP, does not mean a whole lot since he is an FNM.

Sure! Fred Smith defends a Bahamian Rubis spill victims in the courts - http://www.tribune242.com/news/2015/apr…

One case in over a decade?...amazing. Give the man a prize. An opportunity to show the PLP up. It has nothing to with human rights for Bahamians.

Wait, before I waste any more of my time, my2cents, it is your contention that informing Bahamians of their rights, defending their rights in the courts, and having under his belt a whole string of judgements - on stop and search powers of police, on road blocks, etc – that empower Bahamians is somehow DIFFERENT from what he has done in the case of Haitians? Why, because he didn't go international with it? As I understood Fred Smith's argument, it was Mitchell who first went the OAS and called the name of the Grand Bahama Human Rights Association, leveling all kinds of claims against them. Smith merely responded on the same stage.

If his mission was at all about upholding constitutional rights for all within The Bahamas, including Bahamians, he would also take up this mantle for the many Bahamians who believe that they have been unfairly treated or abused somewhere within the justice system. Representing few straggler Bahamians within the whole commonwealth of the Bahamas, while taking on every illegal immigrant case as if to say they are the only ones being disenfranchised, and threatening to bankrupt the country in the process, shows his motive exactly.

Informing people of their rights is not the same as actively advocating for and representing them in court. Do you understand the difference? Mislabeling and speaking down to Bahamians as xenophobic bullies while pretending that Haitians are victims, is yet another difference. I recall Mitchell going to the OAS on official business and to defend against false claims of xenophobic policies...where did that lie come from?

Cas0072 - I never heard of the man turning a case away. Perhaps it is because more immigrants bring their cases to him. Why don't you send him a bona fide case of a Bahamian having their fundamental constitutional rights violated and see what he does. It is unfair to accuse him of an agenda on the basis of counting cases, Bahamian vs. immigrant. It might be that more immigrants are having their rights violated because the authorities think they can get away with it; or it could be that immigrant communities have more of a culture of family members looking to help those whose rights have been violated, and so they come forward and seek out people like Fred Smith. You never know. Personally, I know many Bahamians who he has helped.

Oh, and if we can't stop acting like barbarians and abusing people's rights and calling for their torture, we should be bankrupted. Unthinking tribalism is a terrible thing. "Me and mines, and everybody else can go to hell" is an idea from the dark ages. If we can't rise above it to be more humanitarian and Christian than that, we don't deserve to prosper.

@Voltaire My comments are due to his tactics and not the size of his illegal immigrant case portfolio. Maybe you keep tabs on his every case to say that he has never refused one, but it is certainly a curious coincidence that he appears magically at the side of every illegal immigrant, trotting them out to the media as perfect victims, even when their actions are questionable. You say he has helped Bahamians, but my point is really not about how many Bahamians he may have assisted in court. He is in The Bahamas, so in reality, it is not something that can be avoided. The point is, if he is concerned with upholding the constitutional rights of individuals in The Bahamas, HMP is full of prospects. It makes no sense to champion this cause with the occasional foreignor, when it is supposedly an ongoing problem.

Who is we? Wayne Munroe is but one man with the right to freedom of speech. Flogging illegal immigrants is not a proposal being considered by the government or supported by the general public. However, in true Fred Smith fashion, you chooose paranoid propaganda over reality because that is what gives life to your victim feelings. Your vitriol and ill will towards The Bahamas when illegal immigrants are held accountable speaks to tribalism among Haitians, not Bahamians. Your narcissistic call for vengence is truly disgusting. Remember the already poor illegal immigrants will have it much worse in a bankrupt Bahamas.

Voltaire, the proof is in the pudding. In this case, I am the pudding. You are dead wrong when you say Fred Smith never refuses cases. I am living proof. What you and most people who are pro Fred don't understand is that this man never really lets out his tentacles whenever the FNM is in power. I and several concerned citizens brought a case to Fred Smith several years ago, where there was extreme abuse committed by all of the armed forces: This event even received international attention. We called Fred's office numerous times to see if he would take on this case, since he claimed to have been the great human rights activists. We left several messages, but not a crack. Tommy Turnquest was minister of national security at the time. This was a clear cut case, but Fred was not interested because his party was the government at the time. If you don't believe me then you can show your good friend Fred this comment and see what he says. Fred Smith is a great pretender and anyone who really knows his character can attest to this. The only thing I can say is that this man must be fucking some Haitian person cause he sure does act like he is the bitch of all Haitians. I will await for Tribune to remove this. But I could give a shit cause I call it the way I see it.

Emac - you are clearly angry about this incident, and your anger may be clouding your objectivity. What were the specifics of the case? Were there clearcut constitutional rights being violated, or just a grievance to be settled? As I understand it, Fred Smith is a defender of the Bahamas constitution and will take any case on where its articles are being violated. That does not mean he is free to take on any case where there is a wrong to be righted. There are literally thousands of those in this country and it would bankrupt any lawyer to sign up for that. It is not fair for you to say that he did not take on the case because the FNM was in power unless you have evidence to that effect. It might just be a coincidence. I was told by a colleague of his that Fred has sued FNM governments far more than the PLP. It just so happens that PLP style governments tend to throw up more issues that are topical and of public interest than the FNM. Most cases that come before our courts never make it into the public conversation.

Comrade Banker's motto: "I don't have be right to blog about a whole lots nothing."
If you were to do as I have to scroll down the Tribune's blog pages calendar for the 2015 year, you might very well be left to think Banker must leads a one man's group I will call -
AS BANKER DOES SEE IT, with the single-minded objective being out to test whether emotions and not exactly the way it may have went down - could make readers change their minds about anything, or anyone, as long as he decides reconstruct things differently as Banker does see them.
And, I enjoy reading my Comrade Bankers posts and hope he will stick around for the
2016 Year of Da Tribune's Bloggers!

Voltaire, playing amateur phycology again? The case that I referred to earlier was an instance where there was "clear cut constitutional rights being violated". And I am NOT angry about 'that' incident. As a matter of fact, I am not angry at all. It's just that I am passionate about the truth: I cannot stand fake people who claim to be advocates for justice. It is obvious that you will always see Smith as the savior for the Haitian masses, illegal and legal; So your views will always be lopsided. You remind of the dogmatic Christian who takes little bits and pieces from the bible and glue them together to justify their unchristian practices. You grab a little information here and there about Fred where he is seen smiling for the camera and talking up for the lil man and you think that he is the messiah! Poor you.

"...fake people who claim to be advocates for justice." aka Fred Smith.

Hold on....is this article about Fred Smith or the comments that Wayne Munroe made???

Jeez.....

It's about the hypocrisy of Joe Darville...

Wilson City and Guana Cay were for Bahamians and against the FNM government to boot. Lots of unregulated development throughout the islands and in Nassau have cased brought against tthem by Mr. Smith. You can choose to dislike the man for personal reasons, but its untrue to say he only represent Haitians or FNMs or make up other facts to support one's bias.

BTW: Is there a Bahamas Human Rights Association?????? or Nassau Human Rights Association???? ................ why is this GBHRA always used as the authority/standard for HR issues in our country???????? .......................... or is this GBHRA just a self-serving organization????

@kairrosmatt There are many unregulated developments called shanty towns that he calls established communities. Once again, hypocrisy at work. Fred Smith's public perception is based on comments that he has made publicly, and the list of clients that pushes out to the media. If all of Mr. Munroe's career achievements can be set aside for one comment, the same should apply to Fred Smith.

I definitely agree with you that shanty towns are a problem, but there does need to be a human way of dealing with them. One difference is that you cannot hold the government, a corporation or one person directly accountable. And that in the long run I believe unregulated development does more local damage and extracts more from us without giving back or providing much opportunities. Ironically, unregulated development in some cases actually leads to more shanty towns as they provide menial, insecure jobs that most Bahamians don't want and in places where there is already high employment. I'm digressing....

Lol...TruPeople, I do not think that Haitian=Devil. I have four Haitians that work for me that I got permit for. I have attended many socials that were hosted by Haitians. And I have friends that are Haitians. So when I say that Haitians are deceitful, I am being very objective in my views. As a matter of fact, I always voice my opinion around them. And you know what? They tend to agree, so go figure.