Oh that's NOT good...

*Investigators said that a “**strong motivator and psychological factor**” acting on the crew was the “presence of and need of VIPs on board to get to Freeport that evening.”*

But what exactly does this mean? Were they under pressure to get the VIP's to Freeport that evening at all costs? Did this unwittingly cause them to make improper decisions?

Exactly what caused the investigators to come to this conclusion (was something overheard)?

So many questions, but I guess we can never really know... My prayers go out to the families who still have to deal with being reminded of this tragedy...

I can only hope the Comrades who accused me of being insensitive way back when I said the investigators cannot ignore the dominance of the on-board "you can do it" attitude, having played a major role as to why the pilots did not turn the plane around to head back to Nassau - will also read this report. Just maybe 9 lives lost because of one man's strong influence over a flight crew's repeated bad piloting judgement decisions?

it has been said the pilot complaind there were to much luggage and people there for only put 165 ga of fuel . there was no sigificant fireball or flames when it hit , it was basicly running on empty.

Comrades since the 1930's the following phase has been reproduced many times on posters and plaques. Many a pilot still visibly post it in their cockpits. Reproduced almost always with the attribution of 'anonymous.'

"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect".

Amen to that...hence why more often than not, it is pilot error not mechanical. Another one is, there are old pilots and bold pilots, but not many old bold pilots. The mechanical problems lead you to the NEXT phrase..."Aviation is hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror!!"

Well said, sir.

Comrade the three top causes for plane crashes are
#1: Pilot Error (Poor Judgment/Lack Training
#2: Pilot Error (weather related)
#3: Pilot Error (mechanical related)
#4 Other Human Error (Hardly Registers)

I believe they were under pressure to deliver because of the VIP's on board. I think it shows that safety must come first regardless of who is on board and pilots must be stern in making a safety call. We saw it in the Aaliyah crash as well. My prayers are with the families of the victims.

Comrade my friend flew fugitive criminal Robert Vesco's Boeing 707 private airliner jet and I can tell you stores about how Robert would do anything , including flying through dangerous weather conditions, all to avoid ever entering US friendly airspace. He was terrified of being forced to land by US or US friendly fighter jets. Let's put it this way, there was always a briefcase stashed with US $100 bills to pay off airport officials - cuz the only way Robert's jet could land was to pay cash for landing fees, fuel, flight services and of course the many corrupt airport and government officials along the way. Oh yes, also a number of well-known Bahamalnd's politicians and government officials included.

It is abundantly clear that the aircraft that crashed and its flight crew (pilot and co-pilot) served the business and other interests of BFM and, therefore, for all legal intents and purposes effectively "belonged" to BFM. Accordingly, any life insurance benefits received by Dr. Munroe's children and or BFM should be apportioned in a fair and equitable manner among all the passengers that perished as a result of the errors attributable to the flight crew.

Woa

Limited Liability Company and Corporation are separate legal entities from their owners. The latest Supreme Court ruling actually impute religious belief on such entities. BFM is not culpable.

If the jet was owned by a U.S. LLC and Dr. Munroe or another official of BFM "checked the box" for U.S. income tax purposes whereby the corporate veil is effectively lifted, then everything (all liabilities) simply flow through to the foreign (non-U.S.) beneficial owner of the U.S. LLC.

Now just get the CVR transcripts for the record. This information still should be obtained by the media. The NTSB has already essentially told us what happened in the cockpit on this ill-fated flight.

Forgot to say they should get the FDR information as well. But since I don't expect our media to do any of this, nor do I expect them to publish information they may have or could obtain that might paint Mr. Munroe in a negative light, I imagine the public will have to await the CVR and FDR records as part of court proceedings for the DeSantiago family lawsuit.

Comrade Publius, if the media won't even disclose the name of the quarter million dollars former BEC board member thief - don't be holding your breath. Acting like their printer ink wells run out ink, preventing their publishing the thief's name? Why not one picture Carnival 2015's outhouse toilets, or at least the costs budget?

While we don't yet have the CVR transcripts, we can reasonably assume from the NTSB's findings about cockpit management on this flight that the pilot and co-pilot were at odds and/or not working together as they ought in the cockpit. With the pilot "going passive" and the first officer doing everything, it may have been that the pilot knew that what was being done was not right or safe, but was afraid or unwilling to challenge his pastor, and therefore instead of doing what was necessary as the Captain he backed down and allowed the cowboy first officer to take all of them to what ended up being their regrettable deaths. Think about it. The NTSB does not know the pilots and passengers personally and there were no survivors to interview. For them to make the statement they did about the need for the VIPs to land in Freeport that evening, something had to have been said in that cockpit by either Munroe or the pilots to cause them to come to such a conclusion. How else could they possibly know whether the VIPs on board were actually fine with returning to Nassau or landing elsewhere since it may have been safer to do so? No investigator would be able to magically know what the VIP wanted and preferred from what he did not. Their conclusion suggests that Munroe insisted at some stage that they attempt to land instead of perhaps returning to Nassau or landing somewhere else, or that he made clear his desire prior to the start of the flight, which the pilots echoed during flight. Of course it is still the pilots' responsibility to do what is right and necessary no matter what a passenger says or wants, but based on what the NTSB said, I'm willing to bet the CVR transcripts show the "don't challenge the man of God" syndrome happening with this entire flight.

Any Captain that is not in charge of his ship is no Captain in the first place. I said all that already and this says it all without calling names...

Turing off the Ground Proximity Warning System means absolutely nothing and have nothing to do with the crash of this aircraft. The aircraft did not hit the ground and most certainly the GPWS could not warn the pilot that it was approaching an object erected 300 feet in its path (in the clouds and fog). There are many warning sounds in the aircraft and since the aircraft is also equip with an altimeter which when correctly set can do the job when TAWS is absent. Since the terrain was not the challenge but rather the weather condition and locating of the runway for a proper approach then turning off TAWS from being a nuance made sense (no harm done here). While this report is good pastime it is certainly not one to raise eyebrows.

Comrade Ted4bz conclusion, you've either never piloted, or you are a piss poor one - cuz the
Lear jet's GPWS is designed to do exactly what turning it off - prevented it from doing and that was to alert the two pilots that their aircraft was in immediate danger of flying into an obstacle and in this case a construction crane and within mere seconds. There is no mistaken how a number of poor piloting decisions were being made in that cockpit, which would eventually result in the killing of all 9 aboard., including the two pilots. There is no excusing their poor judgment calls and I hope the courts will
make someone pay their surving family members and pay them dearly where it will hurt the most - their pockets/bank accounts.

Totally avoidable, unfortunate accident....Nuff said.