House uproar over VAT

By KHRISNA VIRGIL

Deputy Chief Reporter

kvirgil@tribunemedia.net

AMID calls for government transparency over value added tax (VAT) collections, a war of words erupted in the House of Assembly yesterday between government MPs and opposition forces that have rejected the Christie administration’s attempts to justify how the tax revenue has been expended.

The heated shouting match prompted Prime Minister Perry Christie to reveal to parliamentarians that he directed State Finance Minister Michael Halkitis to prepare a full explanation to address the nation’s lingering VAT concerns.

The completed explanation, Mr Christie said, will be publicised in every “nook and cranny” of the country. However, the prime minister did not say when the report will be finished or presented.

Mr Christie went on to explain that when the government reduced customs duty rates, 40 per cent of VAT revenue was earmarked to compensate for the duty reduction, adding that 30 per cent would go to national debt reduction.

Prior to Mr Christie’s attempt to justify his administration’s handling of VAT funds, Official Opposition MP Dr Andre Rollins and Free National Movement Deputy Leader Peter Turnquest took the government to task on the issue.

Mr Turnquest argued that Bahamians have a right to ask questions regarding VAT, while Dr Rollins questioned whether the government had erred in its tax collection projections and pinpointed the national debt increase by $2bn.

The argument also saw the government and opposition sides accuse the other of “intellectual dishonesty”.

The national debate regarding VAT was reignited last week after Mr Halkitis delivered a fiery speech during the PLP’s national convention about how the tax revenue was spent. While the speech was well received by party supporters at the event, it fueled more questions regarding VAT.

The argument in the House unfolded as debate began on the Freedom of Information Bill (FOI).

As he wrapped up his communication on the FOI Bill, Education Minister Jerome Fitzgerald said in the name of transparency and accountability he had concerns about the misinformation on VAT circulating in the country.

“Mr Speaker, I want to make a few points this morning,” he said. “The first point is that last year June we had a debate in this place where we laid out the VAT and government revenue and expenditure.

“The summary of revenue is as follows, Mr Speaker: VAT represents 25 per cent of government revenue – $652m, 25 per cent Mr Speaker, import tax 13 per cent, excise - 11 per cent, property tax six per cent, other fees and services - 11 per cent. Twenty-five per cent of our government revenue comes from VAT. This ain’t no rocket science, it is laid out in the budget debate,” Mr Fitzgerald said.

“So 25 cents out of every thing the government spends on comes from VAT. Twenty cents out of every dollar the government spends comes from VAT.

“I mean what’s so hard about that? A grade one student could understand that. All the teachers, all the persons who are employed by government, all the roads, all the clinics, Bahamasair, Mr Speaker we subsidise. Bahamasair that comes from VAT money, Water and Sewerage we subsidise, Mr Speaker. The scholarships that I have been able to double, (I have) been able to do that from VAT money. Twenty-five cents out of every dollar, Mr Speaker, the defence force boats…”

As the Marathon MP continued, a seated opposition MP shouted: “Loans, loans, loans, loans, loans!”

Mr Fitzgerald continued: “But who pays the loans? Twenty-five cents out of every dollar comes from VAT money. And, Mr Speaker, what gets me is that there are people who know better. The member for East Grand Bahama (Mr Turnquest) knows better, those who’ve been around, Mr Speaker, know better.

“The government has one pot that the money goes into and one pot where we spend it. What’s so difficult about that ,Mr Speaker?

“Nobody asked where the excise money gone. Nobody asked where the duty money gone. Nobody asked where the company fees gone, (or) the tourism tax, the gaming tax, the motor tax, the property tax, the bank and trust company fees,” Mr Fitzgerald said. “Nobody asked where that gone, so why you want to know where the 25 per cent gone and where the other 75 per cent gone to do. Everything the government touched it spends money on.”

Standing on a point of order, Mr Turnquest moved to clarify that the opposition did not vote in favour of VAT as was suggested by Mr Fitzgerald.

He argued that ahead of the government’s implementation of VAT, Bahamians were told that VAT revenue would be used to pay down the national debt. However, he said, in recent days, Bahamians have learned that the collections went toward other purposes.

“I want to correct the minister,” Mr Turnquest said. “In his last statement he suggested (or) he outright said that the opposition voted for value added tax. The record would reflect, Mr Speaker that the opposition did not vote for value added tax.

“Further Mr Speaker, the member mentioned about all these other things that value added tax paid for. Mr Speaker, the record will reflect that we borrowed $232m for boats,” Mr Turnquest added.

“You can’t stand here in this House and say that value added tax paid for boats. You can’t say that Mr Speaker. You cannot say that VAT paid for these things that the Bahamian people know we borrowed money for and that we are paying the price for today.”

However, Mr Fitzgerald in response insisted that he did not intimate that the opposition voted in favour of VAT’s implementation. He added that he had not berated Bahamians.

And as Mr Turnquest stood to interject, Mr Fitzgerald shouted: “I sat down ’til you finished, so you sit down ’til I’m finished.”

“Mr Speaker, I know why they are vex you know, because Minister Halkitis said that’s where the VAT money gone. I don’t know why he would apologise for that. It’s simple, Mr Speaker, 25 cents out of every dollar collected is from VAT money. I’m going to say it 100 times until you get it inside your head,” he said.

For his part, Dr Rollins raised questions regarding the government’s revenue projections.

He said: “The fact is that the public would know that since the government has come to office there has been an increase in the national debt to the tune of some $2bn. We also know that in excess of $1.3bn worth of VAT collections has been received by the Public Treasury. We were told initially that VAT would be used to pay down on the debt. How is it that $1.3bn in VAT could be collected, yet the debt has increased by some $2b?

“Furthermore the litany of payouts that the minister of state for finance, who I’m quite surprised has been silent thus far in defending what he has said, he went through a recitation of things that supposedly VAT has been used to pay for when we all know that those things he indicated were paid for via loans by this very same House. Furthermore Mr Speaker, the minister for education whose portfolio does not cover matters of finance as far as we are aware has said that 25 per cent out of every dollar collected is coming from VAT.

“The reality is if his numbers are correct that means that the treasury is collected at least $2.4bn a year, which means that we should be operating a surplus and not a deficit, which means then that the budget that we came here to debate which says that they expect to collect $1.9bn is off by some $500m which is poor math.”

In his defence, Mr Halkitis said he planned to speak on VAT which he is to present in an upcoming session. He said while his convention speech has sparked national debate, he stood by every word made to PLP supporters last week.

Comments

happyfly says...

Is about time the opposition made themselves heard around here. Bunch of lame ass pussies should be shoving all the PLP lies right back down their lying throats. Seems like the opposition dont want to rock the boat or something.

Posted 2 February 2017, 6:06 p.m. Suggest removal

TheNassauGroupCPA says...

I agree with you it is about time the opposition challenge some of the mess the plp has be shoveling.

Posted 2 February 2017, 6:40 p.m. Suggest removal

sheeprunner12 says...

Will VAT be repealed if the FNM wins the next election??????? ............. Will VAT be placed in a special government account if the FNM wins the next election??????? ........... Will VAT income be used to automatically pay off national debt if the FNM wins the next election???? .............. and I have a bridge to Inagua to sell you as well

Posted 2 February 2017, 7:33 p.m. Suggest removal

abe says...

good questions <img src="http://s04.flagcounter.com/mini/epU/bg_…" height="1" width="1">

Posted 3 February 2017, 1:25 a.m. Suggest removal

John says...

Perry Christie will sell his very soul again to be re-elected prime minister. Notice how smoothly he is giving in to all the demands of the electorate. The public disclosure act, National health insurance, and now a full, but deceptive disclosure on how the VAT money is spent and lying Halkatis is right behind him foot for foot and step for step. Creditability gone forever..for ever? for ever!!!

Posted 2 February 2017, 9:46 p.m. Suggest removal

realfreethinker says...

John please me you don't believe that fuck shot perry with his lying ass will table all those reports he has been promosing for the past few weeks. Say it isn't so bro

Posted 2 February 2017, 10:05 p.m. Suggest removal

ThisIsOurs says...

"*Nobody asked where the excise money gone. Nobody asked where the duty money gone. Nobody asked where the company fees gone, (or) the tourism tax, the gaming tax, the motor tax, the property tax, the bank and trust company fees,” Mr Fitzgerald said. “Nobody asked where that gone, so why you want to know where the 25 per cent gone and where the other 75 per cent gone to do. Everything the government touched it spends money on...*"

I don't know Fitzgerald personally and he's probably a very nice man, but as a representative of the people, OMG, words cannot describe how despicable his actions are, this is outrageous. The point of VAT was to raise EXTRA money, in addition to regular income. When you raise EXTRA money you expect to put a dent in your expenses. Their expenses went up. *A grade one student would understand* that something is seriously wrong with whomever in Finance is approving payments and contracts. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong, inexplicable and almost criminal

Posted 3 February 2017, 6:37 a.m. Suggest removal

B_I_D___ says...

The kicker is that they never reduced the import tariffs like they said they would...they dropped them SLIGHTLY, promising further reductions that never came. VAT is here to stay and it will only go up...I hate to say it, but what can and should happen is increase VAT to 15%, according to their math, that will be another 25% of revenue to bring total revenue brought in via VAT...then eliminate ALL import duties, ALL excise taxes and cut some business taxes to encourage growth, that would be equivalent to the 25% gain from the VAT increase. Business taxes, Property Taxes and Import duties are ALL underperforming taxes that people are not all paying and dodging, do away with them. The VAT revenue is a MUCH more consistent and dependable collection.

Posted 3 February 2017, 1:06 p.m. Suggest removal

Well_mudda_take_sic says...

Re-post: That Halkitis guy is nothing but a fooking dishonest SOB. The VAT regime was introduced for the purpose of reducing our national debt and decreasing our debt to GDP ratio. That was the solemn promise and undertaking made to the Bahamian people by Christie and Halkitis alike. Now this bone headed hot aired lying Halkitis, after using our VAT dollars to significantly grow the government and fund a multitude of wasteful projects, wants to make us believe that our national debt would be through the roof were it not for VAT. But that can only be true if Crooked Christie and his most dishonest gopher, Halkitis, have used our VAT dollars to very significantly increase the size of our costly non-productive inefficient corrupt government at just about all levels! This moron Halkitis should be taken to one of our national parks for stoning by the Bahamian people who have been robbed of the VAT dollars they paid over to the government.

Posted 3 February 2017, 2:16 p.m. Suggest removal

Well_mudda_take_sic says...

Re-post: The Slimey Snake knows fullwell that Crooked Christie and Dishonest Halkitis had assured the Bahamian people that their VAT dollars paid to the government would go towards reducing the level of our national debt...not towards growing the size of the government or decreasing the rate of increase in our national debt. For him to make the following statement shows just how much of a crooked SOB the Slimey Snake now is:

*"Where it came out and what they did with that money, that lies in the Government’s accounts. It’s there. It went there like all the Government’s monies, and the Government used that to finance the Government."*

Of course we all know that a good chunk of our VAT dollars have gone and continue to go right into the bank accounts of the Slimey Snake's own businesses under the terms of outrageously generous contracts his good friend Crooked Christie has allowed him to negotiate with the corrupt PLP government. Yes indeed, Crooked Christie has his favourite cronies like the Slimey Snake sucking away constantly on the gravy train filled with our hard earned VAT dollars paid into the Public Treasury!

Posted 7 February 2017, 11:34 a.m. Suggest removal

ConchFretter says...

**“...Twenty-five per cent of our government revenue comes from VAT. This ain’t no rocket science, it is laid out in the budget debate,” Mr Fitzgerald said*.

*“So 25 cents out of every thing the government spends on comes from VAT. Twenty cents out of every dollar the government spends comes from VAT."**

So, you telling me that the Minister of EDUCATION does not know the difference between **revenue** and **expenses**? If we spend more than we make (as we cannot balance the budget), then his logic does not hold. If I earn $10 but spend $20, how you gonna tell me my $2.50 on the way in (25% of revenue) is now worth $5 on the way out (25% of expenses)?? No wonder the debt keeps on increasing...

Posted 7 February 2017, 6:38 p.m. Suggest removal

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