by the time the courts get to it the numbers so faded on the ticket no one gets schit....

The problem Paradise Games has with Iowa and Indiana has nothing to do with the patrons they sold the tickets to. Are they really saying that the Iowa lottery and Indiana lottery teamed up unexpectedly to help these few Bahamians win money?

Bahamians playing numbers are being ripped off and made fools of every day. Since the 'legalization' of the online gaming web shops, the numbers' bosses are proving that crime does indeed pay and they have re-rigged the odds on payouts to Bahamians stupid enough to continue placing bets so as to ensure the 'House' now makes super profits, of the kind never before made. Only a true fool would give a web shop a dollar these days!

The Gaming Board needs to be authorized to resolve these types of matters through binding arbitration. As matters currently stand, a court suit would take a long time and even longer with appeals, possibly all the way to the Privy Council if the decision goes against the deep pockets webshop owners. Maybe they can send the matter to the Utilities Appeal Tribunal who are not doing much of anything these days. Just rename it something else and send the matter there for resolution. So is Paradise Games saying that the Iowa and Indiana state lotteries pulled some shenanigans on bettors similar to the one pulled by Paul Newman and Robert Redford on Robert Shaw in the movie "The Sting"? The burden of proving any shenanigans is on the webshop.

"*It’s not the amount of the money (that is the issue). If they won it fair and square they would have been paid yesterday on the spot.”*"

Lol, "IF" they won it fair and square. Gamblers won't appreciate it, but for the average customer, these shops will take about 6,000 from them over the year and be quite happy to return 2,000-4,000 in small winnings throughout the year. And you go around to your friend telling them how this thing works and you got a cheque for 2,000 or 1,000 and you win something every week. Lol. If they have just 100 people doing that, they've made 200,000 by year end. If they get 500 people they make 1,000,000. Imagine if they got everyone in fox Hill, Bain town, the Out Islands, Pineward Gardens and Yellow Elder to do it? **and all while producing absolutely nothing of value for the country, just perfecting the art of taking money from people**.

Subscription services are the new business model, all the big tech companies are moving into it. They don't sell you software anymore, you have to "subscribe", they have a customer for life. The new age scammers are the MLM people, they've also adopted the model, they'll package anything into the system, gold, natural health products etc etc, but all they're doing is trying to get you to "subscribe", give them x amount of dollars every month, forever.

In and of itself subscription is not a bad thing if you're getting value, but these guys just give you part of the money you gave them. Lol. They can even afford to give one person a big 180,000 payout, it's other people money anyway.

**Churches are in on it too!! Now they preach a gospel of giving more than 10%, that's your "seed". Then every so often someone "wins", they get a car or house paid off and everyone says well I better keep up my "seed", I might win too. My poor gullible Bahamians**

The criminal numbers bosses are nothing but crooked money changers....they change 'your' money into 'their' money.....they prey on the less educated, the poor and those who have compulsive disorders that make them vulnerable to addictive behaviour. Minnis must have made a financial pact with these evil monsters who are sucking our economy dry, because so far he hasn't done a single thing aimed at repealing all of the web shop gaming legislation and introducing a national lottery. In the meantime, Minnis and Turnequest should at least be attempting to tax these greedy super wealthy criminal enterprises to death.

Bouy you mussie be Bran or some other ninny from the DNA. . .so why don't you tell us how to take them licensed and legal businesses right to operate without a massive and hugely expensive legal battle. . .ONE WHICH THE GOVERNMENT WILL AND MUST LOSE! Now you see why the Bahamian people did not want the DNA with their "knee jerk" solutions anywhere around we HOA. . . go get yinna house in order and stop talking stupid nonsense. . .get rid of them two top DNA leaders and regroup. . .the next election is only 5 years away. . .keep talking that kind of foolishness and you will see one of them other parties take the opposition position come next election. . . the days of stupid political talking are OVA! So make senseble contributions or just shut the heck up in this serious dialogue!!

No the government can't shut them down, the gate is opened. The only thing that would shut them down is for people to wake up to what's happening. Its like Asue but you only get 10% of your money back if you island lucky

These numbers criminals need to be shut down and all revenue collected prior to the PLP legitimizing them should be given to the treasury.

These number houses absolutely discuss me!!!!

They are nothing but vultures trying to peck the last bit of flesh from the skeletons of the poor and the uneducated. They are a scourge across the nation.

These number houses are nothing but a drain on poor people,The Bahamas Government should have never legalized this,first it was the drug trade what destroyed our young Men,now it is numbers and gambling,everyone wants to ''WIN'.If the Government want these greedy parasites to stay in business,then tax them the way they should be taxed,after all they claims its a multi million dollar industry.Those criminals need to be audited daily,every last one of them.its a pity in this country,when all you have to do is be rich and all of a sudden you are a upright citizen,Welcome to the Bahamas. we were dubbed a Nation for Sale,now its a Nation already bought.

I Just a thought. If the government decides to legalize recreational marijuana use, will it make the current pot dealers the authorized and exclusive outlets. One would hope not, but a precedent has been set in the numbers business, and all previous illegal businesses are now legal. You are absolutely correct, Bismark.

I believe every plant on the planet has a purpose. those hallucinogenic drugs were probably created for some anesthetic pain killing purpose, now theyre being abused. I fear that they will legalize it without understanding the full ramifications and the effects on society, without putting in the proper framework to control it and we'll end up with another massive blight on the country. Then we'll stratch our heads and say, well look at all the people making money, we can't take it back.

No sympathy here.

You deal with crooks, don't cry when you get ripped off.

This situation is one that happened because these number houses use the USA state lotteries and don't even have to common sense to stay up to date with changes within these respective lotteries!!! In a nutshell, Iowa discontinued their instate lottery because of a MASSIVE scandal involving fraud that touched all the way to the Judicial system....and in July 1st, Iowa began using the lottery 3 ball and 4 ball numbers drawn by Indiana lottery. This was circulated via press release from midJune so I cannot understand why the "super smart number bosses" aren't privy to public information on such important changes such as lottery times etc. Now, the Bahamians who saw this and decided to capitalize on the "timing error", know full well that this number houses would eventually dispute this....this happened about 5 years ago as well with the Texas lottery.

The sad part here is that the person(s) claiming fair win are being RIDICULOUS . They know fully well that the Indiana lottery posted these numbers almost 35 minutes prior to Iowa online closing time. And if they werent so darn greedy they might have gotten away with a little $1 straight win...but no, they want 5$ straight on a 4ball!!! Fools foiled and fouled again!!

Repeal the Webshops Law and Replace with a National Lottery Law ......... If these numbers cartel bosses do not want to sign up to sell National lottery tickets on commission, close their asses down ........ This is quite simple to do .......... Again - if KPT, Carl & Minnis have the BALLS

No balls here, the webshops gat em