An employee, who was described as suicidal, stole a plane similar to the Turbo Props that Bahamasair flies. After putting on an ‘air show ‘ flying upside at one point. And describing to the control tower what he was doing.he crashes the plane 40 miles from the Washington airport. How could this happen?Q400 craft

Before crashing the plane on a remote island, the victim apologized for his actions, saying he knows a lot of people will be disappointed by his actions. He then describes himself as ‘a broken guy with a few screws loose.’ And (unfortunately) he didn’t realize it til now. He then crashed the plane.

"'This is probably jail time for life,' airline worker says before crashing empty Alaska Airlines plane near Seattle". so he decided to end it. But now the copycats.

what the hell are you on about? That's not happening in the Bahamas and has nothing to do with this story.

The Tribune should learn that a sad act of private suicide is a private matter, not something that need be splashed across its front page. Unless the victim committed the act in some wild public manner, like the pilot referenced above, it should be treated with dignity and reserve. Shame on this story.

Agree.

The development of suicidal feelings among the people,really measures a very bad social,political picture regarding outcome of unmatched government's actions with the priorities of the nation.
A careless,public administration usually held the tendency of creating unhappiness,frustrations and large scale of mental health issues among the general population. That's why today,we experience the PRESENCE OF HUGE AMOUNTS OF SANDILAND'S PATIENTS ON THE STREETS. More kind of patients outside than inside. That's unacceptable.! Every elected officials helding a public post,is also helds responsible for the lack of normal,healthy social flora about communities who deserve better.
Only the face of the current head of state,turns out to be, scary,terrible and potentially harmful,specifically for women in gestation or having babies. That's maybe because because such HEAD OF STATE is not hitting "The Nail on the head" . Matters that he was elected to solve problems and not to create them.

We cannot sit back and expect government to fix all of society's problems. Society is made up by each and every one of us and it is up to all of us to do our part to make it better.

GO KICK ROCKS. . . DUMB POLITICIANS DON'T KNOW WHEN TO KEEP THEIR PIE HOLES THEM SHUT!!! What a waste of good writing talent!!!

I think a study should be done on how many persons have committed suicide, probably let's say for the last ten years, then do a survey of persons who feel or may be suicidal and the reasons they may feel that way, then maybe some persons can be saved because as of late I think there has been to many

Check politifacts. . .a world/Pulitzer prize winning site for tracking world suicides. . .which is normally done on average for decades. . .the Bahamas has less than .001 TO 1000 PER YEAR. . .for the last 5 decades!! That's like 1 to 2 every 10 years!

Believe it or not. Everything that happens in a nation,the head of state is helds responsible.
Responsible for not doing anything right., For not complying with campaign promises like establishing : Transparency, accountability and turning back unaccounted,huge financial resources that pasts administrations purposely vanished.
Where the VAT MONEY WENT?
What kind of justice is this?
Where the rich goes free and the poor goes to prison.
Too much of the same is really sick.
How to stop suicidal,purposely created society.
Societies with their leaders "Refusing to give education needed" for fear to be overthrown.

> Unless the victim committed the act in
> some wild public manner, like the
> pilot referenced above, it should be
> treated with dignity and reserve.
> Shame on this story.

Suicide is never a private matter. Simply because it leaves so many victims behind. Some feeling guilty, some taking the blame, many in shock and disbelief and others who may never understand why. In the case of the pilot who took the 76 seater aircraft into the air and performed a series of acts even at some points flying the aircraft upside down even to the disbelief of professionals in the airline industry, his intention, maybe at first was to only get attention...it was fun at the beginning as he announced exactly what he was going to do in his next stunt. Then as reality set in, with two fighter jets on his trail, he realized the magnitude of his actions and the probable consequences. And he announced over the planes radio, "this may mean the rest of my life in jail" And he admitted he realized he was "a troubled guy, with some screws loose.' And then he said, "one more (stunt) and he will take her down into the ground. And he did exactly that, nosedived the plane into the ground resulting in a fiery crash. Authorities still are not sure how he learned to fly the plane and with such skill. As for the man who stepped quietly into his bedroom closet and hung himself.. how many Bahamians are just one closet door from doing similar actions. Feeling burdened and overcome by life's challenges and unable to dodge the firey darts only trying to survive..Emotionally painful and tormenting. Experts say suicide is a demonic spirit that attacks a person even as they sleep. And if in a single moment of weakness they give in, then we ask that the souls of these men rest in peace.

Amen.

“Experts say suicide is a demonic spirit that attacks a person even as they sleep.” — Complete and utter bullshit. “Experts” say no such thing. Demonic spirits? Uh ... no. Experts on mental illness do not accredit it to “demons.”

But I agree with your belief that “we ask that the souls of these men rest in peace,” and not splashed across the front page of the newspaper.

There are no demonic spirits and you are asking to have "souls" rest in peace? Souls and demons comes from the same etiology. . .the Bible and some other religious books. If there are no demons in existence. . .the logical conclusion is that there are no souls either! Or the converse is that they both exist!

"What do you say to a man who constantly battles feelings of inferiority, thoughts of suicide, or habitually hearing voices telling him he's a loser who will never measure up as a husband, dad, son, or child of God?

He tells you he's prayed, fasted, memorized Scripture, and studied his Bible, but the ideas, accusations, and voices never release their paralyzing grip, at least not for very long.

Do you tell him he just needs rest? That it's a chemical imbalance? Do you assume he's schizophrenic because he says there are voices in his head? Or might this battle be something more than physiological or psychological?

"Karl, do you think this could be demonic?" I've heard this question so many times I no longer presume the person speaking is neurotic or weak willed. This initial question is often followed by "Now I don't want you to think I am crazy" or "I'm afraid you won't believe me, but …" or "I've never told anyone about this, but I assure you I am not making this up." I've heard this from the churched and unchurched, from those in the pew and those who fill the pulpit.

What would you say to a pastor, for instance, who flies to your city to discuss demonization, indicating that his mind is being consumed with thoughts and images of his wife having sex with other men? It is not true, and he knows it. But the incessant mind games are not only personally debilitating emotionally and physically to him, they are in the process of destroying his marriage, family, and ministry.

Do you tell him to read his Bible? Well, he studies his Bible and memorizes Scripture, and he has written more theological books than most Christians have read. Do you tell him that he just needs to be more disciplined in his thinking?

Or might he be demonized?

Over the last 30 years, I have worked with hundreds of Christians across the denominational and non-denominational spectrum who are tormented by spirits they have not been able to remove on their own"Removing Demonic Oppression
Steps to freeing those under the unwanted influence.
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According to Dr. Jerry Robison in his book, "Strongman's his name…
What's his game?" Says that there are 16 biblically named demonic
spirits. So let us look at what scriptural prescription we can give
for the deliverance eviction and restoration of a bound/oppressed
person. He lists the principality and then the underlies or
activities of that spirit, he also lists what to bind and what to
loose. Because when you clean a demon out of a person they must be
filled up so that the devil won't come back and find that person
empty and make it seven times worse.
List of spiritual strongmen listed in the bible:
.
Spirit of Heaviness
Manifestations - Excessive Mourning, Sorrow-Grief, Insomnia, SelfPity,
Rejection, Broken-Heart, Despair-Dejection-Hopelessness,
Depression, Suicidal Thoughts, Inner Hurts-Torn Spirit, Heaviness
Scriptures: (Isaiah 61:3; Luke 4:18; Nehemiah 2:2; Proverbs 15:13;
Psalms 69:20; Proverbs 12:18; 15:3,13; 18:14; Luke 4:18; 2
Corinthians 1:8-9; Isaiah 61:3; Mark 9; Luke 4:18; Proverbs 18:14;
26:22)
Roots… "The Works of the Flesh," Galatians 5:19-21.
"By their fruits you will know all men," Matthew 7:20.
According to Matthew 6:10; 11:12; 12:29; 16:18; 18:18; 28:18
Bind: Spirit of Heaviness
Loose: Comforter, Garment of Praise, Oil of Joy, John 15:26; Isaiah
61:3
Spirit of Divination - Acts 16:16-18
Manifestations - Fortuneteller-Soothsayer, Warlock-Satanist-WitchWiccan-Druid-Pagan,
Stargazer-Zodiac, Horoscopes, Rebellion,
Hypnotist-Enchanter, Drugs (Greek. - Pharmakos),
Waterwitching/Divination, Magic
Scriptures: (Acts 16:16-18; Micah 5:12; Isaiah 2:6; Exodus 22:18;
Isaiah 47:13; Leviticus 19:26; Jeremiah 10:2; 1 Samuel 15:23;
Deuteronomy 18:11; Isaiah 19:3; Galatians 5:20; Revelaion 9:21;
18:23; 21:8; 22:15; Hosea 4:12; Exodus 7:11; 8:7; 9:11)
Roots… "The Works of the Flesh," Galatians 5:19-21
"By their fruits you will know all men," Matthew 7:20
According to Matthew 6:10; 11:12; 12:29; 16:18; 18:18; 28:18
Bind: the Spirit of Divination
Loose: The Holy Spirit and Gifts, 1 Corinthians 12:7-12
Familiar Spirit
Manifestations - Necromancer, Medium, Peeping and Muttering, Yoga,
Clairvoyant, Spiritist, Drugs (Greek. - Pharmakos), Passive Mind
.

**Spirit of Whoredoms** Spirit of Infirmity
Manifestations - Bent Body-Spine, Impotent-Frail-Lame, Asthma-Hay
Fever-Allergies, Arthritis, Weakness, Lingering Disorders,
Oppression, Cancer
Scriptures: (Luke 13:11; John 5:5; Acts 3:2; 4:9; Acts 10:38)**Deaf and Dumb Spirit**
Manifestations - Dumb-Mute, Crying, Drown, Tearing, Blindness, Mental
Illness, Ear Problems, Suicidal, Foaming At The Mouth,
Seizures/Epilepsy, Burn, Gnashing Of Teeth, Pining Away Prostration
Scriptures: (Matthew 9:32,33; 12:22; 15:30-31; 17:15; Mark 5:5;
9:18,22,25-26,39; Luke 9:39)**Spirit of Bondage**
Manifestations - Fears, Addictions (Drugs, Alcohol, Cigarettes, Food,
Etcetera…), Fear of Death, Captivity to Satan, Servant of Corruption,
Compulsive Sin, Bondage to Sin
Scriptures: (Romans 6:16; 7:23; 8:15; 2 Peter 2:19; Hebrews 2:14-15;
Luke 8:23; John 8:34; Acts 8:23; Proverbs 5:2; 2 Timothy 2:26)Spirit of Fear
Manifestations - Fears-Phobias, Heart Attacks, Torment-Horror, Fear
of Man, Nightmares-Terrors, Anxiety-Stress, Fear of Death, UntrustingDoubt
Scriptures: (Isaiah 13:7-8; 2 Timothy 1:7; Psalms 55:4-5; 1 John
4:18; Luke 21:26; John 14:1,27; Proverbs 29:25; Jeremiah 1:8; 17-19;
Ezekiel 2:6-7; 3:9; Psalms 91:5-6; Isaiah 54:14; Hebrews 2:14-15; 1
Peter 5:7; Matthew 8:26; Revelation 21:8)**Seducing Spirits**
Manifestations - Hypocritical Lies, Seared Conscience, AttractionsFascinations
by false prophets, signs and wonders, Deception,
Wandering from the Truth, Fascination with evil ways objects or
persons, Seducers-Enticers
Scriptures: (1 Timothy 4:1; Proverbs 12:22; James 1:14; Mark 13:22;
Romans 7:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:10; 2 Timothy 3:13; 1 John 2:18-26;
Deuteronomy 13:6-8; 2 Timothy 3:13; Proverbs 1:10;S**pirit of Anti-Christ
Manifestations -** Denies Deity of Christ, Denies Atonement, Against
Christ and His Teaching, Humanism, Worldly Speech and Actions,
Teachers of Heresies, Anti-Christian, Deceiver, Lawlessness
Scriptures: (1 John 2:18,19; 4:3,5; 2 John 1:7; 2 Thessalonians 2:4,3-
12; Revelation 13:7)Spirit of Error
Manifestations - Error, Unsubmissive, False Doctrines, Unteachable,
Servant of Corruption, Contentions, Defensive/Argumentative
(defend "Gods revelations" to them personally), New-Age Movement
Scriptures: (Proverbs 14:22; 1 John 4:6; 2 Peter 3:16-17; Proverbs
29:1; 1 Timothy 6:20-21; 2 Timothy 4:3,1-4; Titus 3:10; 1 John 4:1-6;
Proverbs 10:17; 12:1; 13:18; 15:10,12,32; 2 Peter 2:19; James 3:16; 2
Thessalonians; 2 Peter 2:10)

Roots… **"The Works of the Flesh,"** Galatians 5:19-21.
"By their fruits you will know all men," Matthew 7:20.
According to Matthew 6:10; 11:12; 12:29; 16:18; 18:18; 28:18
Bind: **Spirit of Error**
Loose: **Spirit of Trut**h, 1 John 4:6; Psalm 51:10**THE SPIRIT OF POVERTY**
Copyright 2004 Gene Brooks
The Mark of a Champion Website
The Bible teaches about poverty and its effects on people. To write or speak
about a spirit of poverty does not fall into the arena of prosperity teaching. A
spirit of poverty has nothing to do with how much anyone owns, what they eat or
wear. A spirit of poverty can oppress, and not infrequently does, wealthy people.

The Bible also tells us that many of the patriarchs lived +900 years and were still fathering children when they were 300-400 years old. We seem to disagree on what constitutes an “expert” on mental health in the 21st century.

Oh boy...too much, waaaayyy too much. the way to win people is not to shove the bible down their throat. That's not the way Jesus did it. He met them where they were, he fed them if they were hungry, healed them if they were sick, I.e. He met the physical needs that consumed them before he addressed spiritual needs. when they ASKED him how to change then he preached the gospel to them. Some accepted and some didn't. Beating people over the head with scripture and telling them how evil they are never works.

The best and most simple solution for people obsessed or consumed by depression or thoughts of suicide is communicating and interacting with others. Interrupt the thought process and the overthinking. Studies show that even on college campuses. one third of students are affected by some mental disorder . These include stress, anxiety, loneliness, depression, feelings of competitiveness or inferiority and fear mostly of failing college or becoming overwhelmed.

Have you ever been depressed John? You are getting the Axis mixed up. . . all maladies you described are episodic and are not categorized as mental disorders. . . read DSM V: TR . . .all categories have different levels of GAF which determines their Axis II determination. . .GAF determine treatment approaches. . .complicated, I know. . .but you went into an area that is not as simplistic as you assume!! Hearing voices is a common complaint in mental health treatment. . .it is very common here in the Bahamas as well. . .mental health professional still cannot tell why people hear voices telling them to kill themselves etc. . .and people who communicate with what they call demons and why prayer makes sick people not feel well, but get well!

The Bible also says fallen man ( because of sin) was promised three score and ten (70 years) and depending on how you navigate through this thing call life you get either more or less. Some say only the good die young. Maybe many good die young but ont only.

The guy who stole and flew and crashed the Alaska Air lines turbo prop was not an aircraft mechanic as previously reported but merely a baggage handler. So now investigators will focus on how he it access to the aircraft and was able to take off ad spend over an hour in flight before crashing the plane on a nearby island. Where did he get his flying skills and was his actions Radom or were they planned . Who remembers that fake post where one of Bahamasair turbo props was seen flying up side down .well this guy proved it could e don in the view and besument of the experts who didn’t think it was possible WOW

Mental health is something that Bahamians and black people in general never take seriously. You can't pray it away, you need professional help and a caring environment to recover.

I take it that you have never studied or work in mental health. . .there are no closed-ended statements among MH workers. . .people describing demons looks. . .people writing to demons and getting replies in writing. . .people in comas awaking and telling of how the left their bodies. . .could accurately account for everything going on in the rooms around their dead bodies. . .can recount conversations going on around their dead bodies. . .persons in those rooms confirming their accounts!

There are a whole big world out there my brother. . .simplicity in human experiences is the ignorant and closed minded approach to the matter! Have you ever heard a persons who is said to be demon possessed speak in a different language one that the person has never learned or could remember after the demon left them alone? There is one strange world out there in mental health. . .simplistic answer may be your way of maintaining your belief system. . .but it is not the way of the big world!

demons and demon possessed?

Sounds like you need to seek help yourself.
The choice to not seek help is just that, a choice. I don't need to work in healthcare to know that blaming demons is absolutely ridiculous. There's a good book to read about this called the DSM-5. If you've never heard of the book it would explain everything in your comment. SAD!
#GetHelp

One thing is for sure - the poster John above is fighting some serious demons in his own head. My suggestion to him - get help, and quickly.

This is probably only one of a few times that I will ever agree with Well_mudda. Praying that John finds help soon.

... indeed. Well said.

Yes I am fighting white demons and they not in my head. They in these blogs.

Lol! White demons huh? Just how many do you see? You DEFINITELY need a shrink if you're seeing white demons?

Very, very well articulated

@ thisisOurs...if you go back and read the threads on this post that led to quotes from the Bible, after I posted that experts say suicide is s demonic spirits, one of your kind called me a liar and claimed that I made things up. So I posted my sources. No need to brow beat anyone with the Bible.

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Demons! Demons! Run for your lives!

One of "my" kind? But I is a black Bahamian Nassau born Christian. Since that's "my" kind I'll assume you is a white man from Spanish Wells.

As to demonic spirits, sure, I do believe **all** bad things are caused by impulses from the spiritual realm. And they're all designed to ensure we don't meet our purpose or we cause someone else not to meet their purpose. But I'm not about to argue scripture with anyone, it's futile, what's the point? You're not going to convince them that they're wicked and they're not going to convince you that your theory is bonkers. The only thing you will do is argue. "Pointless"

So someone that does not believe the same as you religious wise is wicked ?? Is not the mind an organ just like the heart ,liver etc and can malfunctioning and be helped through medication,,.Do anti depressants and anti psychotic drugs not work for many people ?? There is evidence now that the witches that were burned in Winston Salem more than likely absorbed a type of "acid " from the mold on the stones for grinding wheat etc ,,and more than likely were "tripping "and therefor thought to be possessed. After that in that very Christian puritan society mass hysteria set in .Then anyone who acted slighty odd was burned at the stake ..

Sigh...exactly where did I say that? Please look up hyperbole

Your words ,',your not going to convince them that they're wicked '...your words ,,' I do believe all bad things are caused by impulses from the spiritual realm '..I know how to read what you typed ,perhaps you meant something else .I don,t need to look up hyperbole I know what the word means .

John the ignorant usually carry on like yard chickens after they cannot rationally reply to information they are denying or simple don't know anything about. . .it is called Ad-homanism . . . it is a common trait with persons who will not or cannot argue using information that you present.

@john ,,you go to great lengths to prove the Dunning _Kruger effect

> Then anyone who acted slighty odd was
> burned at the stake ..

tribune bloggers :

BEWARE!!!

@concernedcitizen: man is a product of his hereditary and environment. So there is no one ‘fit all’ for mental disease. Some families lock away family members who lose it, others put them in Sandilands yet others take them to the Lyford Cay clinic or other private doctors . Illness does not discriminate and mental illness can come about simply by someone having a head injury or a traumatic experience.

Geez after going on at length about mental illness coming from demonic spirits are you now saying it is environment or hereditary .. Chemical imbalance ,head trauma ..Is this another case like @Thisisours ,,basically saying I did not say what I typed ,,geez Lousie

I sincerely fear that John has left the farm! Not good! If anyone on here knows who John is then please reach out to him.

I think John is crying to us for help. I'm not here to jeer, please seek help or call the Crisis Center @328-0922.

Something is definitely not right m8.

John is about to steal a boat & ram it into the devil's backbone if somebody doesn't watch him. Either way, the rise in suicide is of course appalling but we have to recognize how the various problems in the country affect the citizens. The poor & those who are trying to stay afloat. One doesn't simply take their life out of the blue, it is a thought about thing that develops in the mind over a span of time and depending on ones situation in life, it may finally lead them down that black hole. The people these days have it very hard. The hotel and government jobs can only provide so much, but without the education & training COMBINED with experience, the common Bahamian will not be able to survive in the years to come. Some had good jobs, invested/took out loans, lost the job due to some bogus layoff, could not keep up with investments, now running from the bank & court system, and now running to suicide as a way out (this is just one out of many examples). The economy is too fragile. The people dont know what to do. High taxes, little to no income a recipe for disaster.

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence. On the other hand, people of high ability incorrectly assume that tasks that are easy for them are also easy for other people.

John hold your ground. . .the ignorant usually attack what they cannot intellectually refute!! They ripping on you but skipping your information. . .they are being polemicists because as Donning and Kruger polls. . . their meta-cognition skills are low. . .

another one bites the dust,

No, tell me it is not so! Not Licks? Anyway, the Dunning-Kruger effect fits President Trump. Just saying