Ma Comrades, I been long posting that there has never been legislation in place to have allowed the immigration detention (IDC) center to operate... that if someone simply walked away from their forced confinement at the IDC,, there is no way in hell that you could legally charge them and obtain a court conviction for committing an unlawful escape from an unlawful forced into detention place. The red state should and can be sued for a Billion Dollars in damages for unlawful confinement of human beings.
Good Lord, even the Bahamaland Humane Society is more humane and lawful than the IDC.

If that was the case Mr. Smith would have done so. . .or why would the supreme court rule on a ha-bus corpus petition in favor of the complainant "from an illegal holding facility" . . . is the court condoning the illegal holding facility operation. . .knowing they are existing? Use ya head and leave the dumb nonsense to the politicians. . .

Ma Comrade, best you asks the courts. Illegal is illegal. In fact the public treasury should not be paying the salaries of government workers who perform their duties at a place never legalized. Go ask QC Brian Moree, if its all legal? If you're correct, then we no longer need fund the House of Assembly and its MP's.... nor upper red chamber senators?

So if Mr. Jean Charles papers were 'destroyed', does the government not have a copy of what they issued to him? If they do not, does it not suggest that the papers he claimed to have had were fraudulent or that he lied to the authorities? If that is so, is that not a criminal act?

These idiots are destroying, sorry, **have** destroyed our country with their bumbling incompetence!

That's where the government is going with their "review" of Mr. Charles' case. . .they have no record of him in our records. . .he says he was born one day with a different name and his family says he is another name. . .and another birthdate. . .messy situation at most!!

These affadavits in lieu of verifiable birth certificates, is what Wayne Munroe was trying to clarify and correct. But people were so caught up in their politics and cried foul. Whatever Mr. Munroe''s intention, he made a valid point. I can validate the birth records of my great, great, great grandparents. Lost and mishandled documents are a convenient excuse.

MR. CHARLES' CASE IF FAR DIFFERENT THAN THE FAMOUS "RED PARTY" CASE. . .the reds case was not trying to prove who was born where. . .but status at birth. . .the "'afterdavids" (lol!) . . .said that Mr. Charles was born here to two illegal parents of Haitian decent. . .Mr. Red was born here to one illegal woman of Haitian decent and one Bahamian citizen as father! Mr. Red was smack-dab Bahamian at birth (because who was parents at birth, not where was birth). . .Mr. Charles had to wait until 18-19 (some disagree) and apply for citizenship status! Mr. Monroe point was used by Mr. Smith on behalf of Mr. Charles. . .Munroe's point is already a point in law in this country. . .he was playing politics at that time!

The common issue here is the acceptance of affidavits from illegals, friends of illegals and in this case a sibling maybe 2/3 years older than the individual. This needs to stop, because it only facilitates fraud. This man has two names, two birth dates and his immunization card that was floating around social media, clearly showed the birth date was written over.

Registration of birth is a huge problem in The Bahamas. Why not have a Registrar General officer at the hospital to take the babies finger print before the child goes home. That will go a long way to solve the problem

Simply issue a birth certificate for non Bahamian citizens with parents name and photo ID on the form upon entry to maternity ward.

This is done from dog years (not finger prints).. . .each hospital birth is. . .I mean with a big IS. . .recorded before that child leaves the hospital! I was in the RG's office getting a birth record for my last daughter when a Haitian woman brought a yellow legal pad sheet saying that the individual was born in a house in cowpen road. . .all signed by a midwife. . .not even notarized by a notary public. . .she was furious at the clerk because she stated that she could not accept that document as proof of birth in the Bahamas. I could remember thinking: "what do some of these people dealing with"!

I just saw the lack of procedures last month. I pickup a relative from the hospital after she give birth and all they give her was a paper with the doctors signature and the hospital stamp indicating that she had a baby boy. They also gave her a birth registration form.

The question must be asked why was noone ever charged with fraudulent documents since Indepemdence??.....or even bribery??.....or even fake marriages....??......or deceiving the Bahsmian authorities.....??....or hiring illegals...???.....or not payingNIB for the illehals working....??....Unless of course all this just started with Mr.Symonette noticing something.

SYMONETTE HAS BEEN MINISTER OF IMMIGRATION AND ATTORNEY GENERAL UNDER PAST GOVERNMENTS LED BY HUBIGGITY AND TRUE TO FORM HE WILL ONCE AGAIN DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ADDRESS THE SERIOUS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ISSUES TEARING APART THE FABRIC OF OUR SOCIETY AND THREATENING OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. SYMONETTE AND CARL BETHEL WILL ONLY GIVE LIP SERVICE TO THE ENORMITY OF THE ISSUES INVOLVED IN PROPERLY FIXING OUR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRISIS. BOTTOMLINE: SYMONETTE, MINNIS AND THE ENTIRE FNM PARTY LEADERSHIP WOULD RATHER PANDER TO THE "HAITIAN VOTE" THAN DO THE RIGHT THING EVEN THOUGH 50% OR MORE OF THE "HAITIAN VOTE" IS LIKELY ATTRIBUTABLE TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE OBTAINED BAHAMIAN STATUS BY WAY OF FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN "SOLD" BY CORRUPT OFFICIALS WITHIN THE DEPT. OF IMMIGRATION AND REGISTRAR GENERAL'S OFFICE (I.E. REGISTRY OF BIRTHS).

Now you know that I don't follow you many places. . .but I must say that I too am wondering "what Symonette is dealing with". . .the activist judge in this ruling, the illegal Hatitian community, Fred Smith et al all have denied the Bahamian constitution its ''right to rule our nation without interference from outsiders" . . .and BS seem "geeing them the kitchen sink and een listen ta da peoples dem"! Make no mistake, I don't believe that the people are fighting Mr. Charles as much as they are pissed with Mr. Smith. . .who is so spoiled and biased that now he brought down the whole house on his people's heads. . .that ruling has long and detrimental effects for the illegal immigrant community. . .and for those who were born here to illegal parents and missed their constitutional application dates. Don't forget that IRC requested that all children of illegal parents be deported with their parents. . .

Well Mudda, I certainly hope you are wrong this time!

The basic problem in The Bahamas is the ability for rank & file civil servants to competently create, file, store, and retrieve Government documents .......... every Department has the same challenge ........ and "missing files" tend to retard or thwart many a person's career, promotion or personal life situation or the ease of doing business........... It slows down or stops overall productivity in the country.

You are 100% right sheeprunner. I went to the Registrar Generals office for a copy of my birth certificate and my mothers name was spell wrong. I was fortunate to have a handwritten one from the 1970's or else they would have required me to get an affidavit sign by someone who is older than my eighty-two year old mother. Imagine that.

This matter has to be addressed by Minnis & his Cabinet ........ too many semi-illiterate and functionally illiterate people have been employed by the Government over the past 50 years (the friends, family & lovers syndrome)........ The RBC man got it wrong ...... The problem is endemic in the civil service ..... and the Unions or senior PSC officials do not wish to address it because it is "too political" .......... Either they get trained or send them home!!!!!! ................. But this must be addressed immediately!!!!!!

Sheepr I feel your pain..you trying damn hard to save this country ......but......many are actually well trained but will turn a blind eye as they part of the nomenklatura,
They have to tip toe for fear...
Even educated Lawyers will tell you its a conflict to challenge a govt or bank for a customer who got ripped off and can least afford it.
Plenty Bahamians get really hurt and noone to turn to. No ombudsman, no financial consumer protection bureaus,.....The poor suffer and the workers who serve the people gets paid.
Hopefully now we are so far getting a few select investigations....Dr Minnis is trying....

The Patriots among us must continue to fight ......... Hope must triumph over despair ......... or else we will reach the S-Hole status