Ma Comrades, as AG Carl Wilshire wrestles through the courts with King's Counsel Freddy, Article 7(1) of the constitution will be exposed as never qualifying pass the sniff legal test before the Privy Council of England - pertaining attaining the age 18 to 19's window of opportunity for entitled making citizenship application and consideration .............. which age limitation requirements have long and widely been breached by the Pindling, Papa Hubert and Christie administrations..... and as soon as this Imperial red state reveals how many citizenship applications have they processed, approved/granted since May 10, 2017 - 'they too' will been seen to also have breached Article 7(1).
You'd think all controversy their AG has focused upon obtaining citizenship that they would rush inform the people about the rumoured 100 citizenship applications they have approved?

"It is unclear whether the Supreme Court’s ruling has had an impact on the government’s increased enforcement measures." It is also unclear whether this may be the great legal advocate's intent.........

Ma Comrade DDK, I am looking forward King's Counsel Freddy, calling both former prime ministers Perry Christie and Papa Hubert - as witnesses whose 'firsthand knowledge' evidence is likely to be sufficiently important to influence the outcome to the actual workings practicability Article 7(1) of the constitution.

Can someone please answer this question for me---Was Fred Smith born in Haiti??---Was his Mother or Father born in Haiti??----I'm just trying to figure out why Fred is so gun-ho in the support of the Haitian causes to the possible detriment of the Bahamian people!!

Fred and his siblings were born in Haiti to a Bahamian father, who was deported the Bahamas. Mother was from somewhere in the middle east.

Thank you Stillwater—-That explains the situation!

An emergency meeting of the house with a view to clarifying the law re: citizenship and making it retroactive and setting a statutory limit on compensation would fix this problem, would it not?

They also need to outline a process to thoroughly investigate fraudulent birth certificates over the past few decades. This didn't start and end in 2012 http://www.tribune242.com/news/2015/jun…
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2014/oct…

Mr. Bethel, like his colleagues is also promoting that these individuals have certain rights, provided they can prove who they were born in the Bahamas: what are those?
If birthright status or citizenship is not included in the law, it's very clear that they have no status, i.e. illegal. Fix the law to reflect the FNMs position, but until then stop promoting entitlement among Bahamas born Haitians.

Both Ma Learned Comrades AG Carl Wilshire and King's Counsel Freddy going learn that the Constitution does not distinguish much between the rights of citizens and noncitizens. The Constitution does little more than to grant citizens with the right to vote and hold elected office. For heaven's sakes - under the constitution the governor general can be a noncitizen - notice I use noncitizen - cause what exactly defines who is a foreigner?
See what happens when you're forced remove emotions and speak directly to the Constitution. I'd love hear QC Brian Moree's viewpoints?

Fred Smith is a Bahamian. His daddy is Bahamian but his mother was Haitian. At one point the Fred Smith family lived in Haiti but both his parents were rebel rousers and kept getting in clashes with the government of Haiti. His pa was eventually deported back to the Bahamas and brought the family with him . subsequently the, Fred Smith grew into existence in the Bahamas. So no he cannot be (legally) deported to Haiti

My Brother Comrade John, illegalities sure didn't get in way Imperial red state's arresting and secretly deporting Jean Rony - and his only 'crime' was to walk along public street in search cigarette vendor buy a single legal cigarette... so why not King's counsel Freddy.... shi#, I hope he's not smoker... in fact, back early days Pindling administration - five immigration officers were dispatched and showed up at Freddy's law office in Freeport to check out if he was really a Bahamalander. (No, not made up, ask Loftus Roker}.

How can you be sure it was just one single legal cigarette? Huh? Could it maybe have been two????

Ma Comrade, on tight budget - I'm told the KC not known be lose his coins.

Yeah......I am bored with all this crazy mess. If his sister got her citizenship because she applied when she should have, then he probably would have gotten his. Give the man the citizenship and let's move on.

Several points about the Rony saga:

1. The Government of the Bahamas should not view the court order to bring Rony back to the Bahamas and grant him status as defeat. If immigration had followed due process and had given Rony a court hearing the matter would never have escalated to this point.
2. While the law does require persons, like Rony, who are born to parents of illegal immigrants to apply for status, it does not define the status of those who do not apply or even those whose applications are rejected. And the norm is not to deport these people. So then the law must address this.

3. The law must make the process for those who do apply to be more seamless and less burdensome. In many cases the applicant may not possess the various documents that are required and rather than have secondary measures in place the application comes to a dead standstill. So then you will find many Jean Ronys who are faustrated by the system and chose to remain a person without status until they get caught up in situations like the current one.
In Rony case he allegedly has school records, a criminal record and other documents to help confirm his identity.
3 Yes there is a big big problem with fake documents in this country. Drivers licenses are probably the biggest offenders. And so there must be a verification process set in place to ensure that brith certificates are for the persons presenting them. In some countries it is no longer to state a child’s sex on a birth certificate in favor of The perverted argument that sex is not determined at birth. So hospitals are now making prints and scans of unique Peet’s of infants (foot prints and retina scans) to assist in the identification.
AND. Rony should not allow himself to be used as a pawn in anyone’s fight against the Bahamian government and/or their constant need to feed their oversized ego. The situation he found himself in is unfortunate. But the sooner he can get his status in the country normalized and return to being a private resident, the better it will be for him. That is unless it is his intention to become a part of the political landscape or activist movement in the country.

Carl Bethel's statements do not give me any assurances that he is a competent or truthful lawyer. He is trying to create a grey area where there is none!
Either the man meets the criterion for citizenship based on the rule of law and article (7) or he does not. If he does not apply the law as it relates to the Immigration Act!

Seems they are afraid to offend their Haitian constituency and would rather sell the country down the river instead!

Personally, I have buyers remorse, big time!

Ma Comrade JoeBlow, I've maintain "King's Counsel" Freddy must "unlock the evidence" long contained in the immigration department's files atop Hawkins Hill - on his client Jean Rony? I'd obtain court order secure such files - cause you knows how government files mysteriously does goes missing? You'd have think the immigration minister, AG and Immigration Director would have always had easy reach to the files? That photograph attached Bahamaland Travel Document - came from Hawkins Hill files? Jean Rony was no stranger to Hawkins Hill, nor the Haitian Embassy? Translation - why are the Detention center and Embassy playing the fools?

"Seems they are afraid to offend their Haitian constituency and would rather sell the country down the river instead!" Seems "they" have been doing this for decades with the result that the whole issue, like the shanty towns, appears to some to be too hot to handle. Let's hope the current regime has what it takes to deal with the immigration situation. Dr. Minnis has stated that his will be the Government to eliminate the illegal shanty towns, which is, after all, the result of inaction and slack immigration control.

Make it mandatory that every child born in The Bahamas must not only have a Bahamian issued LEGAL birth certificate but an NIB card with a photo with biometrics ...... this will then become the basis of your national identity card ........... If that is not in place, then the child cannot register for school at age 4 etc. the abuse of JP-issued affidavits must stop.

If the child is not a Bahamian by birth the issued NIB card MUST also show its nationality as determined by our Constitution.

If you havenot been to school, then how can you say that you are a Bahamian at 18???????

We just need to be strict with what we already have in place and stop trying to bend the Constitution or the other laws as they exist.

OK!

Wouldn't his country's passport with a Bahamian stamp on it been ID?

It is not MANDATORY to have a passport ...... But everyone NEEDS an NIB card ........ to register in school, get a job and get your benefits

I'm so tired of this... easy fix

Have the man apply for a Haitian passport to which he is entitled. Then have him apply for legal resident status in The Bahamas.

It's very simple, but no they looking to grant automatic citizenship to a man who obviously diaregarded the law for years. He's friggin 35 so for 17 years he hasn't made any application for legal status in The Bahamas.

I say send his arse back to Haiti and be happy they aren't making you pay for the flight.

This country to slack with immigration... ridiculous

The case has been suspended from judge Hilton's court onto the appeal court. . .this one is too hot for the same activist judge. . .who has already "throw" Mr. Rony and his law team under the bus. . .when he said that he can't make the government give him anything. . .including citizenship. . .this is the beginning of the end for them! I saw BAHAMA WATCH page #3 for human rights supporters you fine 8 low levels renegade HR groups. . .some of them we never ever heard about! Did anyone see any of the heavy hitters on HR supporting this mess put on by Mr. Smith? The only one among them is AI. . .but in her statement she is concerned about "abuse of HR by law. . .they suggested that we be careful of that ! If they don't like our constitution. . .tough. . .but our law "STAND IN THEY FACE". . .protected by international law put in place by some of them!! That histrionic paper only "says" to me. . .that "WEEN GAT A HOPE IN HELL TO WIN THIS ONE"! Especially Mr. Smith rants "rule of law" yet rowing about that same rule of law! I never though that I would ever see the day when I would have to give Mr. Georges the "honorable mention". . .his contribution on page # 5 shows common sense position. . .go read the paper.