Lack of cut ass is why these kids are so undisciplined and stupid.

I would put good money on most people you see doing the bank lane shuffle being the ones who took more cut asses then your average kid.

Bahamian man dem need to know dat if dey did spare dey rods more often we wouldn't have so many spoiled chiles..........

Ma Comrades, agree forever discontinue any form corporal punished upon our school children's - but why not just transfer the licks over to the House of Assembly to brungs some discipline upstairs that House.... why even the ministerial decision makings this minister demonstrates that from time he own buttocks could have used some paddling by a public purse's state paddler of sorts... for sure da Speaker more so,

Time to bring back school beatings in a structured way!

There should be different kinds of discipline for different offences. We should know in advance: who could get a beating, what the offence(s) has to be and the amount of licks per offence. The decision to beat should not be made by one person, and checks and balances are needed to prevent abuses in the system. The item used to dispense discipline should be determined for all schools and parents should be made to sign a waiver at the beginning of the school year.

For problem children, copies of offences should be sent home to the parents for them to have a record as well.

Discipline is needed in schools, not abuse!
By the way, I got quite a few licks in school myself back in the day, didn't turn out too bad!

How ironic......The Police can determine child abuse ...versus.... the Ministry of Education can legally administer Corporal Punishment.... versus..... the other part of govt that can administer Cat o Nine whipping.........

Violence is a learnt behaviour, it should not be taught in our schools by teachers. Simple.

Discipline in ALL forms is good when PROPERLY applied (the child understands why they are being punished and it is applied when not angry).
Violence is the result of ignorance and frustration combined!

Ma Comrades endorsing school children's physical abuse what says you's - should we holds public forum see how ya brain's cells does reacts to pain inflicted by teacher. I guess ya also for verbal abuse inflicted by teacher? A fat "NO" to school children's abusers on the public purse. {Somebody should be looking into locking them (and their blogger supporters) up}.

DO NOT CONFLATE DISCIPLINE AND ABUSE, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!

The Scandinavian countries usually top the lists of various measurements of good societies to live in .Two of them have now made it an offense to hit or spank your child. None of my children ever have ever suffered corporal punishment, they have seven college degrees between them and one will soon a doctorate. Corporal punishment is given by parents or teachers who are either bullies who enjoy exercising power over those weaker or they just lack the intelligence and imagination to think up an alternate non violent form of punishment. I hope the mother whose child was so badly beaten is able to take out a civil action against this misguided beating teacher and sue her for a very large some of money. this will not heal the damage done but may make other teachers think twice before they raise their hand to someone who weighs a hundred pounds or more less than they do. Bullies are sick people and should not be in postions of authority.

Ma Comrade Hyrsippus, any now grown into an adult with lingering physical abuse by teacher should consider suing both the offending teacher and school for causing them's lasting mental suffering, pains and anguish. Both public and private schools are guilty allowing this - more so in years past.... when involves children's abuse there should be no statute limitations brungs charges- lord knows all too well even the highly respected High School I attended lots years back had a couple teachers- and I'm talking about both mental-and physical abuse- that should have never been allowed be around a classroom's children's - but should have been committed up to Sandilands. Maybe its good be talking in this hereto Tribune blog forum about this.

yes.

The same Scandinavian countries you speak of, have decriminalized so many acts that crime rates are artificially low, but they are very immoral state controlled countries. In addition, they have induced such passivity in their population through political correctness that children can decide their sex. Many of these passive countries have silently been taken over by Muslims, who have created their own crime infested communities with rapes against the women of the native populations exponentially increasing. Their large social welfare states are also depleting vast reserves these countries had that gave them their "exalted" status. In 10 years those countries will not be held in such high regard, they are already a shadow of their former selves!

Countries that fail to discipline the guardians of the future with be disciplined with pain in the future!

I wonder JoeBlowhard, if you have ever even visited these countries? I have. and you are writing untruths with a very little truth.

I somewhat agree with you on that. I've read multiple reports about the Netherlands where crime is so low they've had to close multiple prisons. In the same time frame, I've read that police fear it will become a Narco state where they are powerless to do anything due to the low recruitment of police officers.

These European countries realize that it is more important to have people working and paying taxes than in jails funded by the state!!

If you decriminalize marijuana then a person can't be arrested for possession. It doesn't mean people aren't in possession of marijuana or are not smoking it!!

If you decriminalize prostitution then a person can't be arrested for prostitution, although people are engaged in it.

The point was that crime rates HAVE to be low because most of what are crimes in other countries have been decriminalized!
But that seedy element is still there!!
In the internet age, one does not have to visit a country to know what is going on there! By the way, how can one write "untruths with very little truth"?

Jeff Lloyd bragged that he was brought up by his big, stout, Conchy Joe grandmother in Clarence Town, Long Island ........ He said she inspired him because she cut his ass daily and told him he could be whatever he wanted to be ......... and look how he turned out ........ This man is not fit to be Minister of Education ......... He is too dramatic, conflicted and impressionable and trying to be too nice to these unruly Unions and ill-disciplined parents.

I suspect the Honourable member might well end up in the Prime seat.

Ma good Comrade Buddy running the #1 rated Numbers House should put Ministers Jeff and Dionisio James into a locked room with live camera feed hooked up Cable Bahamaland aimed at them - then offer numbers wagering odds how many seconds goin pass before which of the two Imperial crown minsters does talk first, and how impossible be's other minister get other shut the fuc# up whilst trying edge in with he own superiority over other displaying their own unique kinds brilliance over all other kinds lesser mankind's. Tis Ministerial Showtime!!
Amen!

School beatings are rarely about discipline and correcting bad behavior. I think teachers who beat draw satisfaction from humiliating an unruly or disliked child more than anything. But still something needs to be done about disrespectful children in public schools.

I think after a certain number of infractions an unruly, disruptive child should be automatically enrolled in a special behavioral or private school at the cost of the parent, if no extenuating circumstances such as mental defects or learning disabilities exist. This should be court mandated, like child support, and enforced with jail time. I think we will see more parents taking an active role in their child's education, and behavior.

"disruptive child should be automatically enrolled in a special behavioral or private school at the cost of the parent,"
What kind of coolaid are you drinking? Why do you think they are enrolled in a government school in the first place? They bettas legalize grass quick 'cause dat stuff you drinking dangerous bey.

I know why and I also know why some of these parents don't care about their child's productivity or behavior: It's free. If parents are forced to pay for something they take for granted, behaviors on the part of parent and child will improve because if faced with the cost, or jail time...they'll do better.

I'm sorry if parental accountability is a difficult concept for you understand. Perhaps you need to lay off the drinks and weed yourself...and it will become clearer.

Is the minister going to remove prayer and The Ten Commandments next... asking for a friend.

If you want to know if the decision is a good one just compare persons who grew up under corporal punishment to those who didn’t.

You know what John, growing up here in the fifties & sixties cut ass at home & in school was a given, but it never turned me into one of the young psychopaths we're overrun by today and I am now close to retirement. I never had to beat my own children who are now happy, well adjusted & responsible adults.
After independence law and order went off the rails in our society as a whole with slackness and corruption from the government on down, who can forget the drug days of the seventies & eighties when this Nation was literally for sale and the cocaine epidemic which resulted from?
Society takes its example from their leaders as do children from their parents and elders, corporal punishment or lack thereof in schools or at home won't matter a hill of beans until those who should govern, guide and teach take a hard look in the mirror and decide if they like what they see.

> After independence law and order went
> off the rails in our society as a
> whole with slackness and corruption
> from the government on down, who can
> forget the drug days of the seventies
> & eighties when this Nation was
> literally for sale and the cocaine
> epidemic which resulted from?
What message?
As was said then and is still true now; The United States couldn't stop the supply of drugs coming into the country because the demand for it was so great. Mexico and Jamaica and Colombia didn't stop the supply because the demand was so great and the market was so profitable. the Bahamas was just a small pawn caught in the middle of a drug war. Whether they got involved would have made very little difference. As today tonnes of drugs are still flowing into the US with very little or no involvement of Bahamians. But how many Americans, except the small street corner dealers, have you heard of being arrested and jailed for drug trafficking. That's because many of the traffickers are also the law enforcers. Just last week a ship with 93 Million worth of cocaine was intercepted of the coast of Florida. Now we have guns lowing in the opposite direction of drugs. And while high profile persons in the US has been linked to gun trafficking, none have been jailed. Your attempt to blame the Bahamas or Bahamians for the drug trade is lame. Sick and lame.

How many drugs episodes has America had since the ‘80s and 90’s that did not involve The Bahamas? First of all cocaine never stopped flowing to that country, even though very little of it passes through The Bahamas. Marijuana is legal in more than 30% of the US and decriminalized in at least half the nation.! Then there was the crystal meth crisis in the early 2000’s that was accompanied by flammable and bath salts and other chemical drugs that either killed people or set the crazy for life. And of course the country is also plagued with the opioid crisis where patients are legally prescribed drugs that eventually kill them. Our problem here with shanty towns is caused by illegal immigrants or persons on the border of poverty struggling to survive. In most US cities, including those on California, most of the homeless are drug addicts.

OMG don't remove the 10 Commandments from school or prayer. Now paddling students is walking on a dangerous slope. It needs to be conservative and always have a witness to the paddling. We don't use this in schools anymore in the US. Maybe we should, but you would get sued in court.

Wonderful. Let us ignore GODS guidance at Proverbs 13:24 and follow newly appointed genius Minister of Education Jeffrey Lloyd and the UN instead. What could possibly go wrong?

Most of us are thankful for good parental and scholarly discipline which included corporal punishment or the revoking of certain privileges.

What is really needed is the clarification of what is acceptable as a discipline and what can be termed as abuse!

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> After independence law and order went
> off the rails in our society as a
> whole with slackness and corruption
> from the government on down, who can
> forget the drug days of the seventies
> & eighties when this Nation was
> literally for sale and the cocaine
> epidemic which resulted from?

What message? As was said then and is still true now; The United States couldn't stop the supply of drugs coming into the country because the demand for it was so great. Mexico and Jamaica and Colombia didn't stop the supply because the demand was so great and the market was so profitable. the Bahamas was just a small pawn caught in the middle of a drug war. Whether they, *Bahamians*, got involved would have made very little difference. The drug trade was still going on. As it is today where tonnes of drugs are still flowing into the US with very little or no involvement of Bahamians. But how many Americans, except the small street corner dealers, have you heard of being arrested and jailed for drug trafficking. That's because many of the traffickers are also the law enforcers. Just last week a ship with 93 Million worth of cocaine was intercepted of the coast of Florida. Now we have guns lowing in the opposite direction of drugs. And while high profile persons in the US has been linked to gun trafficking, none have been jailed. And even the marijuana coming here today is not safe. it is highly potent, crossed or hybird and mixed with other substances to make it more addictive and create violence and confusion..Yes many users are ending up in Sandilands. Your attempt to blame the Bahamas or Bahamians for the drug trade is lame. Sick and lame

As usual John, you missed the point and got caught up in your rant:

"Society takes its example from their leaders as do children from their parents and elders, corporal punishment or lack thereof in schools or at home won't matter a hill of beans until those who should govern, guide and teach take a hard look in the mirror and decide if they like what they see."

I'm not blaming the Bahamas or Bahamians for the drug trade, I'm blaming them for the running sore of undisciplined behavior and total lack of respect for authority that has been allowed to fester since we became self governing and THAT should make ALL Bahamians feel sick and lame!

In fact, to prove John's point about Bahamians wrong is that they sold their only chance for redemption out the window is that Carlos was the co-founder of the Medellin Cartel in Columbia, yet Lynden screwed us over and allowed him to reside in the Bahamas for a few years, and it was enough to bring those criminal gangs to greater heights. Any gangster belonging to a gang is sanctioned, no one is allowed to arrest them, but arrest the lone-wolf murderers that only kills once. Now we're destined for the Age of the Cartel, unless someone is willing to remove the shadows that plague Nassau.

But back to this. I approve about abolishing beatings in both the household and schools, as this doesn't do anything valuable today. Keep beating kids, yet they will end up as criminals still. I would like how America or Northern European countries do parenting. No beatings, and still many kids end up as great model citizens. Now in the Bahamas, it's perfectly dis-functional. Beatings aren't love no matter what context it is in. That sounds like psychological confusion at best, and crude at worse. It may had worked with a previous small group of Bahamians. It's not working anymore today. Parents need to put down their belts and find another method that doesn't involve whipping the hell out of them. This land is a ancient narco-state that recruits kids instead of the government recruiting them for being role models.

No one should abuse a child, as joeblow said let's not confuse discipline with abuse. Discipline is to teach respect not fear.

You are too confused with the enlightened USA ........... and look at where their public education system is right now ........ It is a hot mess of dumbness.
Corporal punishment is part of the Education Act and Regulations ...... and it should remain there ........ Cutass doesn't retard a person, it keeps them on the right path.

Why are you so angry? No one should be beat anywhere, spanking is a whole different thing. Beating a child is illegal and you will and should go to jail. Discipline is not illegal, including spanking.