"*How did we get here?*"

I believe we're going to be asking ourselves that question over and over again. The LOVE.of money is blinding many. If Gaming King of debauchery who considers himself "*a member of cabinet already*" had a contest to have women running naked from Arawak cay to east street, Sunday morning at 11 for a prize of 10,000, you can bet half your congregation would be there. What did George Moss say on national TV the night of the gaming referendum "*Why does it master how you made your money?*"

How did we get here? By sowing a seed.

No member from Kingdom Life Church would participate in your hypothetical situation. God has his people who have not bowed their knees to idols. The people of Kingdom Life Church are among that number who have not bowed.

But I should not have to defend them because you should not make such a wreckless, unfounded assertion, especially when you hide behind a pen name.

Wreckless and unfounded :> ...gee and I was actually agreeing with your article. You asked "how did we get here". My answer: "the love of money". Ain't the bible say you reap what you sow? So we must have been sowing something to get here, we didn't just materialize into 2018 with women parading in the streets in thongs

Btw don't swear for your members, the only person who knows the heart is God. I'm not a stranger to church culture and ministry, ordinary normal people are a part of these ministries. I know of people coming to church and spending the whole time outside rapping...(that scenario may not be your church). I personally know of a pastor who was found in bed with one of those "dedicated" members. And they were both "sincere" people. I've seen choir members at work acting like the devil...so do I believe you can find people in EVERY church in this country who would do anything for a big payday, yes I do. Love of money

But my point is we are sinking because of our love of money, drug running, gambling, human smuggling, selling passports, drivers licenses, bribery, extortion, cronyism, all love of money.

As to hiding behind a pen name, it's a free country, I can say what I like as do you in the article, no matter what name I say it under as long as it's not libelous or defamatory

I did not swear for anyone. I only stated my very firm conviction that no member of Kingdom Life Church would participate in the scenario you posed.

Your post was not defamatory, but in it you unfairly cast an aspersion of members of Kingdom Life Church.

Lol ok if you want to take it that way. Scratch out "your" church and replace it with "any church in the Bahamas". Because unlike you, I am aware that every in church een Christian

People continually knock the church, blaming it for hypocrisy without considering that those who fail to apply the teachings are the hypocrites. **The principles of Christianity are sound**, the problem is with the failure of people to practice and teach their children the principles.

That is how we got here!

I fully agree with you.

Amen!

Seriously?

It's bad enough that "Christians" bash people for trying to enjoy themselves, but it's far worse when churches around Nassau tends to steal wives from other husbands, waste the money given by their followers, then secretly rape little boys and girls.

If anything, stop bashing others and fix your fellow pastors that commit sins and throw up excuses.

You should not broad brush. It is not fair to do so, especially since you would not want others to broad brush you with heinous accusations.

I don't speak for other pastors and other churches. I speak for myself and for the church I've privileged to lead, Kingdom Life Church. The immorality and unethical conduct that can be rightly laid at the feet of some pastors and some churches cannot be rightly laid at feet of myself and Kingdom Life Church. If you think I and Kingdom Life are no different from the immoral pastors and churches you have in mind, why don't you pay us a visit? We meet on Sunday mornings at 10 am, 25 Chesapeake Road. Our website is www.kingdom-life.org. Then I encourage you to come back to this post and give an honest report of what you see and hear. For starters, you will find that you don't have to leave your brain at the door.

I can ensure that you don't associate with other fake pastors around here, but all I'm saying is that there's no need for judgement for the people attending carnival, and just informing you that there's bad apples in your line of work that is ruining the image of Christianity.

Where have I judged people attending carnival? Please point me to it in anything I've written.

With the reactions, it sounds like you're judging from the reactions. Directed at both the PLP and the FMN administrations. I'm being fair, I know you're not doing it. I guess I'm sorry for that, I can't stand Christians fighting over the wrong things.

Are you not guilty of this same broad brush accusation, innuendo, generalizations and insults?

We are all clay Pastor Moss. The Devil tempted Jesus. Can you believe that???? the Devil come up with something so sweet he could entice the man who never sinned!!! And I don't believe that was a walk in the park for Yeshua, he was in human form, I believe he had to fight his human nature to win that battle. If the Devil could do that to him, what you think he gat for you me and your church members?

Being clay does not mean that people will sin in every which way.

No one really does...(other than the really depraved of course). The point is you don't know the "one" thing that will challenge someone, the Devil does. Remember Paul talked about "the sin that doth EASILY beset us"?

I would like to hear from bahamian ladies on this not just churchy folk. i am torn between "we should not impose our own moral values on other people" and "let them be." but how on earth can any self respecting woman act like that. i guess it's cheaper than going to trinidad to wear slutty clothes. when BTC was advertising it on TV under "our culture", I simply turned my head, I couldn't look.

I een churchy, I did grow up in church so there are lots of things I hold on to. I've seen too much stuff in what we call the church . Realized that in Nassau, church is just another social outing And meeting place. And there's some status associated with going to certain churches. Go figure

I don't like where this carnival thing is headed. This year three, and each year the standards drop a little. They'll be painted and naked soon. Watch and see

I don't see it as imposing our moral values on other people. The issue is how do we live in shared space and what kind of conduct should we as a community allow in shared space (like streets and public parks).

For example, we have laws against engaging in sexual intercourse in public. This means that people are free to engage in whatever kind of sexual relations they wish, so long as it is done in private and with the consent of a person who is 16 (in the case of heterosexual intercourse) or 18 (in the case of homosexual intercourse). To require people not to engage in sexual intercourse in public is not imposing a moral value on them...it is imposing a community standard on everyone.

So, it is appropriate not to allow certain conduct in public that the community believes should not be allowed, and it is not imposing a moral value because those people can resort to private space and engage in the same conduct.

It is my view that an overwhelming majority of Bahamians oppose the carnival conduct that takes place on our streets and in our public spaces. This is one of the reasons I speak out against it.

If you've not attended carnival, take a look at www.thinkbahamas.org to see some of the videos and pictures showing what takes place on our streets and public spaces. I must warn you: The content is very graphic.

And notice the children on the parade in two of the videos. In one of those videos you will see a group of children on the side of the road imitating the vulgar and lewd dancing they were seeing in the parade. In one video (which is from the first carnival held here), you will see an adult woman in a Marshall t-shirt showing a group of little girls how to wine, and you will then see those little girls sexually gyrating on the ground.

I say we can do better as a country.

As a Bahamian woman, I say let's get rid of this carnival nonsense. The thing that worries me most is that women outnumbered the men and seemed to be looser in their morals than the men were. People, when the women of a country sink to this level of immorality, drunkenness, debauchery, and public showcasing of sexual prowess............sad days are coming.

I have had this argument with numerous people since year one of Bahamas carnival and no matter what logical and/or moral points I present, the bottom line is those who take part in this event simply have their mind on one thing only...having "fun". No moral, cultural or economic disadvantage matters to them. I am blue in the face from having this debate with carnival supporters or 'okay-ers', so I keep my trap shut. I was very disappointed, though not even a little surprised, when our government at the time said yes to carnival. I'm hoping it dies out eventually ,but with the support it still receives from those with the resources to have it continue regardless of whether it makes money or not, I don't see that happening so I will just continue to ignore it every year. Sad state to see my country in - The Bahamas was not 'this' when I was a young girl growing up. Shame on us.