Less than 5 percent of people with covid anywhere have ever been admitted to the hospital , since this began.
Vaccinated or not.
That’s why the vaccines which claim the “efficacy “ of preventing 95% of people from serious illness or hospitalization seem laughable. As that’s how covid has been all along.

It simple to check, look at the stats from anywhere since this all began , hospitalization numbers versus total case numbers have always shown less that 5% hospitalization rate. Check any city or countries specs.

He is referring to those who have been admitted. If you take 100 people with COVID 19, who have been admitted to hospital, you will find that 95 have not been vaccinated and 5 have.

He is not referring to the general population as you claim.

Bottom line is that if you get COVID and are unvaccinated you are much more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated. That's all.

It’s the same thing, of the general population who contract covid, less than 5% end up in the hospital.

He says less than 5% of those who are vaccinated end up in the hospital.

Point, the efficacy of the vaccines is described by saying that 95% of those vaccinated will not end up really sick and needing hospitalization.

Truth is, that is how it has been since the start of the pandemic.

It's not the same thing.

Let's say you have 10,000 confirmed Covid cases (vaccinated and unvaccinated), 5% of which have been hospitalized. That's 500 people hospitalized and 9500 not requiring hospitalization.
Now, 5% of those 500 hospitalized have been fully vaccinated, and 95% are unvaccinated. That means 25 people in hospital are fully vaccinated and 475 are unvaccinated.

Clear now?

man you'll math analyst deep. I could do theory logic. I hate math.

Ok, so after reading the article again it says 0% of fully vaccinated people have died or are in hospital. Shoddy reporting by The Tribune and with an incorrect headline. They really are not helping the general population with their inaccurate articles.

It used to be 100% were unvaccinated - YAY it's getting better for unvaccinated - now only 95%.
And yes I know the above isn't correct but the headline isn't accurate either. It gives the impression that 95% of unvaccinated are admitted to hospital, which is incorrect (see Chucky's comments above for a more accurate example of the numbers).

LOL

Amazing that though Covid is global each nation is rubberbanding the same data to fit the same global narrative this thing is spun around. Fear always seems to be the central core. Iceland, though almost fully vaccinated because their rollout was efficient saw its almost entire nation of fully vaccinated reenfected with Covid. Some people who were never vaccinated who somehow avoided the needle are yet to test posative or become hospitalized.

The numbers are just stupid - 90% of Bahamians are unvaccinated of course they're going to make a larger portion of those ending up in hospital. In the UK more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people died of delta then unvaccinated.

Is vaccination the way out the pandemic? Really? Riddle me this - 4 countries USA, UK, Germany and Israel cases all peaked on essentially the same week in mid January -

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…

And then all simultaneously lost 90% their cases over three weeks. At that point Israel had vaccinated 45%, USA 10% and UK 10% and Germany 3% - Vaccines - nah.. Try again..

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…

And let's not mention India beating the ol Delta with only 3% vaccinated and minimal death relative to population size.

You have a point.

In flu season we target the at risk individuals for vaccinations. The data, ALL the data may be showing the same thing is needed here.

Using "their" numbers 3% of the population got infected in total. Maybe 0.5% were hospitalized. But only 5% have been vaccinated. So 96% of the unvaccinated population remained healthy.

I'd be looking at the health factors that made every single hospitalized person vulnerable. There's a talking point that younger people are becoming seriously ill in this wave. But are those younger people obese? Give us those numbers. There arent that many categories of vulnerabilities that it cant be broken down.

And I am not saying vaccines dont work. I believe they do. I am saying if you are in a state where you are unable to source the 480,000 doses needed for full vaccination of the adult population, do the thing that has the greatest impact. Use the vaccines for the vulnerable. Show data to support who is vulnerable. If an individual can look at the data profile of deaths and hospitalizations and see themselves thats a much more convincing argument than why you cant behave and vaccine holiday.

When they are at a place where they can vaccinate the entire population they can run that program. They're not there today.

Abd if you run this vaccinate the vulnerable program and it works you may show the world something. We here anyway. Might as well use wisdom in execution

Great post, in Addition to this, they should experiment with other drugs such as Ivermectin that has had great success in other countries, because as you said we simply don't have enough vaccines. Our governments problem is that they are following the same old tired script of the CDC, WHO, and countries who are also failing to keep their hospitalizations low...

Well what's interesting is that in the UK (like in India) you had steep infections with Delta wave and corresponding very little death. Why? Is it Delta just not a killer? Was it Vaccines paying dividends? Prior immunity from infection kicking in?

We know in India it had nothing to do with vaccines - only 3% were vaccinated...We now know that have 67% (roughly 871 million people) of the India population (1.366 billion) have antibodies after the last wave.. and only 400k COVID deaths -

(side note excess death in India is 4 Million - so while covid deaths are likely undercounted there is likely a huge majority attributed burden of mortality that maybe lockdown/panic deaths) -

which might lead one to conclude immunisation through natural infection (and without pandemic panic) may have been proven to far more effective than vaccination and bring cases/death under control.

England has some of the best Data available - breaking down not only which variant, but seriousness of hospitalisation and whether or not hospitalisation coincided with the sample taking (therefore indicating hospitalisation for something other than covid).. Of note that the delta wave was entirely pandemic of the young (90% - 205k out of 229k) 50% of who where vaccinated. Of the under 50 cohort there was no discernible difference between if fatality between those that were vaccinated (4 out of 15k) and not vaccinated (34 out of 119k) and the infection hospitalisation rate (IHR) was almost identical. Of the over 50 cohort vaccinated and partially vaccinated deaths out number unvaccinated deaths almost 2 to 1 and IHR was nearly 3 to 1. Vaccinated death in fact this makes up the majority of the fatality associated with Delta Virus as statically speaking the chances of death if under 50 are basically zero.

In the UK instance vaccination has failed to protect the most vulnerable sectors of society (from the delta variant) and made no major difference to mortality outcomes the younger population.

In my opinion jury is still out on the vaccine..and I'd add that thankfully there are people that are not getting vaccinated so a least we have a control arm in this insane experiment.

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In the UK instance vaccination has failed to protect the most vulnerable sectors of society (from the delta variant) and made no major difference to mortality outcomes the younger population.
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What a load a of BS you like a few others in this comments section must stop taking misinformation from the internet as cast in stone and redistributing it!
While the UK government has a got a lot to answer for w r t freedoms
I'm living in the UK with my Bahamian Wife both being in our 70s and fully vaccinated with the Oxford AZ.

unfortunately like the vaccination for the flu the vaccinate the vulnerable would have to be a cyclical program. Its not a cure and efficacy wears off.

If the govt couldnt even source vaccines for 1/10th of our population how can they possibly hope to do it every year? I believe these programs world over will eventually come down to vaccinating vulnerable people and people who are travelling.

And if vaccinating vulnerable people is not a viable approach, every developing nation in the world just became a leper society

Quote Whogothere
In the UK more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people died of delta then unvaccinated.
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More hocus pocus information i.e in the vernacular Bovine Excrement!
Where do you get it from? For fear of repeating myself I'm living in the UK [White] with my PhD Bahamian Wife [Black] and no such thing has happpen.
My wife is in regular contact with her family and she can't believe all the fiction storys they have heard about Covid in the UK

Just out of curiosity, why must you point out your wife is Phd or black?

Are Phds immune?

But tommy the data is what is what is- more people over the age 50 that were vaccinated have died of the delta virus than those that were vaccinated.. more were hospitalized too...sorry bud and I’ll take a bovine apology if you please ;) - I m a black Bahamian with PhD too ;)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u…

It is one big sick joke. Dr Fauci just publicly stated that the fully vaccinated are not protected from the Delta variant which means they are going to have to develop another vaccine in record time and forego all of the usual safety trials to counter that variant.....and the next variant......and the next variant. in the meantime the BS. Gov. is intent on us all getting a cocktail of vaccines from whoever they can sweet talk. Can you imagine mixing this one's RNA gene therapy with that one's DNA spike protein? Please !! Someone show me the peer-reviewed long-term safety studies that have been performed on patients who are mixing the AZ jab with the Phiezer Jab and now the booster from some other dodgy drug company is on its way. Instead of science we ga start calling it the "Bahama Colada" !

Bingo!

Never trust a government that attempts to force you to do something that violates your most fundamental rights and freedoms. Taking jabs of these warp speed developed novel and experimental mRNA vaccines is entirely a personal choice grounded in 'free will' and should be based on one's age, co-morbidities, advice received from a trusted physician and tolerance for risk. As far as I'm concerned, the battle cry of "We're all in this together" is nothing but a song sung by the weak among us who either foolishly or unwittingly support being controlled by a totalitarian regime of the worst possible kind. End of story!

Yawn

I know the feeling.

I guess no one has bothered to tell D. Brennen and N. Forbes that Fauci and Collins of the National Institutes of Health, along with Walensky at the CDC and President Biden himself, are now all calling for the newly created Vaccine Dependent Global Society to indefinitely wear masks, practice social distancing, etc. in order to protect themselves from each other. Talk about foolishness!

I truly feel sorry for all of the sheep under age 65 without serious co-morbidities who have fallen victim to an evil campaign of fear motivated by those seeking to achieve population control and even greater financial wealth. The unnecessarily vaccinated have allowed themselves to be coercively transformed into human guinea pigs for an unprecedented massive experiment with unknown long-term health consequences.

Iceland is left baffled by expert scientists now they are trying to silence results.

https://www.icelandreview.com/society/c…

The futility of it all...85% percent of the population over the age 16 (which is basically the same as The Bahamas) is vaccinated...Everything has been theatre and now the stage is falling down..

Let's remember trials showed this outcome; they should have expected it, but they were too busy trying to convince participators they didn't want to admit the shortfalls..

"All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. "

"It is crystal clear that the vaccine did not provide sterilizing immunity to the virus challenge, the gold standard for any vaccine. It may provide partial protection. The question then becomes: Will partial protection be enough to control the COVID-19 pandemic? That is an open question."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhas…

Thank you, a most informative article. Gives us much to think about.

**China reported 71 new cases of COVID-19** on Wednesday, more than half of them in coastal Jiangsu province, and they reacted by closing the airport and sealing the city as its worst virus outbreak in a year grows.
The Commonwealth 1200 Out Islands **recorded 334 new COVID-19 cases since Friday** along with **five new deaths** and the RedAuthority's Dionisiso James, rushes to more begs Floridians from the republican entrenched state Florida to please come to help the virus kill popoulaces. and the ugly reds followed that by arranging an office of the prime minister, scripted **Zoom interview** on Guardian Talk Radio with the **self-imposed exiled to Washington DC,** Dr. "BowTie" Brennen.
You just don't have to lie to make this shi$ up, yes?

Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, reported by officials and other representatives of the CCP in Communist China can be trusted, period!

Why such focus all way China and not the next door republican state Floridians as tourists presents much greater and immediate threat help deaded, even more, we Commonwealth of 1200 Out Islands popoulaces, yes?

You talking fool. Plenty of international media there reporting this. Same media companies that report on Europe USA and Canada.

Quit talking fool

Suggest you read again. The placement of the second comma is not without signficance. lol

Me too.

> “The last time we looked at it, it
> still represents less than five
> percent of what we’re seeing in
> country (and that is for) persons
> who’ve been vaccinated who are still
> getting infected,” Dr Brennen said.
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The good doctor’s information is NOT correct. And whilst it may not be false, it is misleading because it is not based on the latest findings:
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What medical experts are finding is that many vaccinated persons do not carry the virus in their lungs or nasal passage as much as an un vaccinated person, but the virus moved further into the body and attacks other organs including the heart , liver and kidneys. In males it is also attacking the prostrate and causing blood clots, even in the legs.
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So if an unvaccinated person presents to a medical facility, he will be tested and since he will most likely show symptoms of Covid-19, he will most likely test positive for the virus and from the onset be treated as a Covid-19 patient. And if he unfortunately dies, his death will most likely be linked to the corona virus.
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A vaccinated person can give a false-positive test when he presents to a medical facility. And since he is now NOT considered a Covid patient, the medical staff will look beyond corona to determine his ailments. As stated earlier, the virus attacks organs other than the lungs in vaccinated patients and in males a common problem is blood clots in the legs, in the heart and the virus also attacks the prostrate. So if the patient unfortunately dies, firstly he tested negative for corona so that will not be among the suspected cause of death. And blood clots are difficult to diagnose, even in a non Covid patient, so unless an intensive autopsy is done which includes testing and/or examination of these internal organs, the patient will most likely be diagnosed as not having died from Covid.
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Now the question is what will happen in the future? As the vaccines continue to suppress the virus and if patients are given third doses of the vaccines. Is a person really better off if both his ailments and symptoms are being suppressed

Mannnnn!

the numbers are just garbage. everywhere. garbage in, garbage out. You can't make any conclusions, even likely most of covid cases go undetected. you can likely multiply the official numbers of infected by 10x or 20x, then you get 2-4 billion of cases worldwide. then you take the official number of death: 4 million, from which likely many were with preconditions or EOL (end of life anyway), so take half or one quarter of that to actually get the number of real cases. Then you have it, the mortality which results to be around 0.025 - 0.1%, so EXACTLY like a normal flu.

Ah and if the government plans to really do something for public health then please first close the fast food restaurants and forbid selling alcohol and tobacco.

**The numbers are odd...I'd say impossible.**

I keep trying to figure out why the Tribune reports them without question. How can 106000 doses have been administered, with 46,000 fully vaccinated and 60,000 with 1st dose?

**If 46,000 people were fully vaccinated that would require 92,000 doses since each person gets 2**. It would then leave about 15k or so for 1st doses. The reasonable explanation here is only 23,000 people were fully vaccinated equating to 46,000 doses, but who knows The data is a secret.

Additionally, if 60,000 had their first dose it means they need 60,000 more doses to fully vaccinate that crew. So **why are they asking people to register if the backlog for 2nd doses is currently 60000 and they only got 31000 doses on Tuesday?** Its all a massive smoke screen and more fuel for distrust

since we got covid not even 1+1 adds to 2, understand? Logic has been thrown away. Too much money is at stake.

I think its worse than money. Im starting to believe tgat there was never a plan to vaccinate the population. I believe the plan was to do enough to appear to be doing so. Just enough to make it through election. Talk it up but do nothing. Just like the housing development on Prospect Ridge. Just like free electricity during the last election

The Tribune Headline is totally misleading. Is the Editor on sleeping pills?

The Headline should read: "Less Than five percent of fully vaccinated are testing positive for Covid". If anyone cares to read the article, Dr. Brennen is quoted as saying:

“The last time we checked there were no individuals who had been vaccinated who were currently being hospitalised.

This is really shoddy by the Tribune.

In Iceland half of those hospitalised have been vaccinated. Some US states report up to 74% of those vaccinated are infected, BUT in the Bahamas they really expect us to believe the opposite is happening here!

As Whogothere correctly pointed out in earlier post :*The numbers are just stupid - 90% of Bahamians are unvaccinated of course they're going to make a larger portion of those ending up in hospital.*

The same correct logic also applies to Iceland, where 85% of the over 16 population have been fully vaccinated. They too are going to make up the larger portion of cases. Works both ways, and it's also why you should look at the raw data and pay attention when you are in your high school math classes.

Oh, and since the UK has fully vaccinated 70% of it's adult population, they too will see skewed data reflecting more cases in fully vaccinated people.

I've said it several times before and I'll say it again: Critical Thinking skills are so important, but sadly lacking on here.

Couldn't agree more.

One Guy who seems to get it almost :)

I repeat f

Firstly your links do not open

Try this link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-576576. then follow thru to PHE

It would appear that whogothere is one of those, despite his Phd who has been mislead by the anti vax brigade!

Two other things he was not be of

1) You should also know how the stupid UK Government count Covid-19 deaths. A person dying within a 28 day period after testing positive via the inaccurate PCR test is counted as a Covid-19 death even if they have no signs of Covid-19, or die of any unrelated covid-19 codintion whether it be falling of a ladder, road traffic accident, falling of a cliff, heart attack,stroke or drowning etc.!!!!!

2) 25% of persons having to go in hospital who have tested positive for covid-19 in hospital went in for other conditions and caught Covid-19 after being admitted!

same picture in Israel and Gibraltar!

Its possible we haven't seen the numbers in vaccinated as yet because our numbers seem to trend 3-6 months behind Europe.

Hi Bobby how are the beetles?

Soo...while sampling rates are skewed by the nature of either more or less people being vaccinated in a particular population, but that unfortunately doesn't get around the fact that the Case fatality/hospitalisation rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated delta cases (in the uk) are essentially the same (slightly higher for partially and fully vaccinated over 50), (and slightly higher for unvaccinated CHR under 50) (CFR is basically zero for those under 50 vaccinated or not). The information that is missing is what percentage in vaccinated population may have had COVID previously and therefore a potentially mounted a more repost immune response. Also missing is the underlying conditions that of over 50 cohort.

All this distracts from the underlying point which is that media and governments touted an end to the pandemic if we all just get our shots. The media proclaimed:

"It's a pandemic of the Unvaccinated" - you know who!

"Dramatically lower COVID-19 disease incidence rates observed in individuals fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine"

www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press…

"AstraZeneca vaccine 100% effective preventing COVID hospitalization, death "

www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavir…

‘Absolutely remarkable’: No one who got Moderna’s vaccine in trial developed severe COVID-19'

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/absolut…

But this isn't lining up with reality.. though there is good news, vaccines do provide some protection for vaccinated (maybe 70-150 days)...

I don't think I've ever seen anyone, anywhere, feel the need to post so many links as you do (I think you've posted 8 so far on this thread alone), and all of them always to do with Covid. Do you read all of them before you post them ?, Or do you have someone spoon feeding them to you ?

If you do read all of them, kudos to you, but surely there is more in your life than seeking out Covid vaccine articles and posting them on a Bahamas newspaper site where about 20 people will see them.

Do you really think everyone on here has the time or inclination to click on all those links ? If you want to keep people's attention, keep it short, informative and factual, and don't cherry pick because people will soon know what your real agenda is.

Wow bobby you're actually worried about people backing up what they say? Particularly on the topic on COVID... I see so you like your information unsourced and condensed - got it. Glad that you're keeping track what I post and where...I'm flattered...blushing even.. But I thought you were more concerned about the Beetles?

So our Pediatricians are already paid to convince parents their child will after nearly two years of Covid of everything suddenly die the week of school reopening. We must beware of of such inflamed false paid for advertisement narratives. My fellow Bahamians. Don't let by the minute high power money from testing profits sponge deep hypnotic into your minds to vaccinate your child in order to go to school. they have created hard and desperate times to facilitate the medical, money making crime. as you either vaccinate yourself to get a job. vaccinate your child or you have to stay at home and mind them. while they make profits from vaccinations that could in five years prove fatal. Do not listen to power and invisible greed. Leadership, as we voted for them though seeming genuine has sold us out to die so that they can make billions in profits or we die. rest assured that their money ends with God taking only their souls to glory. God"s wrath awaits them on the other side where according to the Biblical Book of Enoch fire will burn them in their loved ones sufferings, deaths and failures, living dreams and to deaths hell. Rest assured.

A repeat of my replies to Whogothere
So you can all benefit
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Quote Whogothere In the UK instance vaccination has failed to protect the most vulnerable sectors of society (from the delta variant) and made no major difference to mortality outcomes the younger population. Unquote

What a load a of BS you like a few others in this comments section must stop taking misinformation from the internet as cast in stone and redistributing it! While the UK government has a got a lot to answer for w r t freedoms I'm living in the UK with my Bahamian Wife both being in our 70s and fully vaccinated with the Oxford AZ.
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Quote Whogothere
In the UK more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people died of delta then unvaccinated.
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More hocus pocus information i.e in the vernacular Bovine Excrement!
Where do you get it from? For fear of repeating myself I'm living in the UK [White] with my PhD Bahamian Wife [Black] and no such thing has happpen.
My wife is in regular contact with her family and she can't believe all the fiction storys they have heard about Covid in the UK
Our news broadcasts abound from various sources [Not all the BBC] National TV, Local TV,
National Radio and Local.

Why is your wife Phd relevant to the question at hand? And race?

Congratulations on her Phd.y

Because she is not thick therefore not a believer of the rubbish that's is sloshing around the internet by quacks never mind some of the dubious comments made by contributors.
By the way although a lower qualification I have an Engineering Masters and have been thru the mill from and question and double check or imformation and learnt not to believe what any Tom Dick or Harry says regards of their Education.

A month ago I read a report that said 1/3 of delta variant deaths in thd UK and Israel were from fully vaccinated people. . It was on businessinsider.com. Thats not fake news. I believe both sides of the argument are mashing up data for their own purpose. I read a headline on msnbc just yesterday, a quote from a mother "*my healthy 28 year old son died from COVID*". I was literally shocked, not exaggerating, when I looked at the picture to see a boy who was at least 100+ pounds overweight being described as "healthy" and msnbc used that word in a headline.

The story seems to be that most people vaccinated or not remain healthy, so who's getting sick? Im no doctor but Im thinking the approach should be 1.Protect the border 2.protect the vulnerable

Seems like the virus is culling the herd

oh dear more crapp
I repeat
Firstly your links do not open

Try this link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-576...">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-576... then follow thru to PHE

It would appear you are one of those, despite your Phd who have been mislead by the ant van brigade!

Two other things you may not be aware of

1) You should also know how the stupid UK Government count Covid-19 deaths. A person dying within a 28 day period after testing positive via the inaccurate PCR test is counted as a Covid-19 death even if they have no signs of Covid-19, or die of any unrelated covid-19 codintion whether it be falling of a ladder, road traffic accident, falling of a cliff, heart attack,stroke or drowning etc.!!!!!

2) 25% of persons having to go in hospital who have tested positive for covid-19 in hospital went in for other conditions and caught Covid-19 after being admitted!

What I do know about this virus is it is insidious. Unless someone dies from some other obvious cause like a gunshot, anyone who has COVID and dies I honestly do not know how they can separate the COVID and the medical diagnosis. How do they determine that COVID was not the cause of a kidney failure, heart attack, brain aneurysm, stroke etc etc. Because people get clots without COVID and people with COVID are susceptible to clots in weird places. A person with COVID might have a seizure, fall in the road, be hit by a car and subsequently die of trauma injuries, but COVID caused the seizure, I call that a COVID death. As to people going in hospital and catching COVID, whats new? They have it.

The story still remains 95% of the population are fine. You dont even need the PhD for that. Whats up with the 5%? Can we mount a program to protect them?

Straight from your gov - tommy the data is what is what is- more people over the age 50 that were vaccinated have died of the delta virus than those that were vaccinated.. more were hospitalized too...sorry bud and I’ll take a bovine apology if you please ;) - I m a black Bahamian with PhD too ;)

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Firstly your links do not open

Try this link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-576...">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-576... then follow thru to PHE

It would appear you are one of those, despite your Phd who have been mislead by the antivax brigade!

Two other things you may not be aware of

1) You should also know how the stupid UK Government count Covid-19 deaths. A person dying within a 28 day period after testing positive via the inaccurate PCR test is counted as a Covid-19 death even if they have no signs of Covid-19, or die of any unrelated covid-19 codintion whether it be falling of a ladder, road traffic accident, falling of a cliff, heart attack,stroke or drowning etc.!!!!!

2) 25% of persons having to go in hospital who have tested positive for covid-19 in hospital went in for other conditions and caught Covid-19 after being admitted!

Firstly whogothere links do not open

Try this link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57610… then follow thru to PHE

It would appear that whogothere are one of those, despite his Phd who has been mislead by the antivax brigade

Two other things he may not be aware of

1) You should also know how the stupid UK Government count Covid-19 deaths.
A person dying within a 28 day period after testing positive via the inaccurate PCR test is counted as a Covid-19 death even if they have no signs of Covid-19, or die of any unrelated covid-19 codintion whether it be falling of a ladder, road traffic accident, falling of a cliff, heart attack,stroke or drowning etc.!!!!!

2) 25% of persons having to go in hospital who have tested positive for covid-19 in hospital went in for other conditions and caught Covid-19 after being admitted!

Tommy you do know how the Calandar works right? Your post is from July first - google search Technical Briefing 19 which should bring you to the latest report but this link is working for me perfectly (also the tribune when quoting links tends to post several so you need to click on the one to the right to connect through:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u…

The data in this report is clear: Of 121k unvaccinated cases 165 died, of 61k vaccinated and partially vaccinated cases 284 died. Of the over 50 cohort made up 273 of those vaccinated deaths and 131 of the deaths were unvaccinated. These reflect deaths since the delta wave between February and up to July 23 and a new report is imminent.

This is the current facts. July 1st was very different.

Also you seem to confusing me with somebody that doesn't do their homework. My post is referencing deaths associated with the Delta Variant not all covid deaths. The data I am citing also specifically excludes tests that are administered on the admittance so as to correct for 'of' versus 'with' covid hospitalisation rates...Hopefully I m not confusing you with some that is too arrogant to admit when they are wrong...

FYI - I'm vaxxed and have had covid - I purely believe that people of rights to do what they want but I think that we are facing Neo-(medical)-colonisation in the form of medical authoritative force that has thrived in the absence of data (or too much data and lack of context) and panic.