Well, the scence quoted yesterday was outdated as full vaccination is not the key to the end of the pandemic.
At least now he has admitted that the hesitant are critical thinkers. He will concice some. But rushing them will not dissuade those who cannot trust his authority or Dr. Carissa Etienne's.

Anyway, if I see these "FULLY VACCINATED", I will not let them into my bubble.

Here is what bothers me…….. y’all don’t see what goes on in the ICU. These very same people who state that they are against the vaccination end up pleading for it once they get in the Critical Care ICU. When they become diaphoretic, cyanotic and dyspneic then all of a sudden the picture becomes abundantly clear to them. And as the feeling of impending doom overwhelms them and they come face to face with their own mortality and the realization of their own stupidity sets in. See….. it’s easy to talk foolishness when you can breathe. But when you can’t breathe, there is no room left for stupidity and conspiracy theories. And the look in their eyes tell the entire tale. Many of them plead for their lives before they code. Ironically, when this scenario does take place, they are ALL suddenly willing to take Remdesivir, Convalescent Plasma, and Monoclonal Antibodies which is simply an Intravenous version of the very same vaccination they were refusing to take to begin with. Honestly, I rather not give it to them. I’d rather they die by their own stupidity. Helping stupid people only begets more stupid people. I’d rather preserve that medication for people who truly deserve it. But unfortunately my oath as a physician doesn’t allow it. Plus there are too many other doctors and nurses around watching.
Anyway….. all I’m saying is that if you don’t wish to get vaccinated then don’t. But when you go into Acute Respiratory Failure please please please don’t come to the hospital begging us to intervene. Please maintain your very same dogmatic, idiotic, stupid position.

Amen. Here is what bothers me, all these people complaining about PMH not having enough doctors or beds to care for all these COVID patients. If your ass was vaccinated you would not be gasping for breath in the hallways or verandas of PMH. This should be plastered on billboards at every roundabout in the country (rather than those ubiquitous nauseating red and yellow election signs) : from March until the end of July there was not ONE fully vaccinated person admitted to hospital or who died from COVID! Science works, conspiracy theories cause death, practice personal responsibility, get vaccinated Bahamas. Do it for yourself, do it for your family, do it for your country.

You will be the very person suffering as you continue to allow our leaders to make dumb decisions then point fingers at the cat and say is because they cross the road.

Science does work. 97% of people have not died, have not gotten sick. Why? Your one sided emotional arguments do us no good. All of the children I see being put forward as poster "children" for the anyone can get infected campaign are obese. Why? There are so many obvious questions to be examined. This caveman blunt vaccinate everybody campaign is missing valuable insights. Examine all of the data. I fear were going to hold on to this approach until its too late to look at parallel and simultaneous approaches. Israel is already saying people with the 3rd booster were reinfected.

#prettysurethisisn'tyours

oh so now you would take away citizenship from persons **you** deem unworthy. You (generic mob rule judge and jury you) are getting more dangerous by the day.

And you like most Bahamians love to play the victim and criticize government and have completely unrealistic expectations of what they are entitled to rather than simply being responsible for yourself. Take the vaccine save your life and stop bitching about government. Pathetic.

Whos playing the victim? You like most Bahamians didnt pass reading comprehension. **I am for vaccination**. What I am not for is this unvaccinated bashing and I am not for blind allegiance. I ask questions. And entitied to? Seriously? Plant your strawman arguments somewhere else I een da one. Asking someone to ask a question, asking govt to require vaccinated persons to present a PCR test on entry literally has nothing to do with "entitlement" and everything to do with reasonable measures to protect the Bahamas. If you want to be a blind mouse you do that with Cobalt And DWW.. 3 of you

Are u even vaccinated?

My personal medical info is none of your business. Ive stated my view, thats as much as you need to know. I believe the vaccines work. I believe they could be used more surgically. I believe its not the only answer meaning it alone will fall short of a solution.

You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You say you are for vaccines yet would not even say that you are vaccinated. And if you are vaccinated then your posts make no sense. Reminds me of family in WhatsApp chats who rail against vaccines, constantly posting anti vaccine propaganda and I know for a fact they are vaccinated. Have the courage of your convictions and stand for something or you will fall for anything.

While you are on such a long diatribe, tell me how many of you doctors own pharmacies? I bet that your mouth is shut on that one.

Don't worry, a filthy "unvaxxed" (quotes because this is very clearly not a vaccine) person like me would not seek out your services even if I were dying. Once upon a time, I went to a doctor for insomnia and left hooked on benzodiazepines. At no point in time was I ever warned that they were an addictive substance and should only be prescribed for a maximum of two weeks; on the contrary, I ended up taking them as instructed for several years until one day I missed a dose and ended up going through withdrawals. It was only then that I realized what a mess that I was in. Through nearly a year of the Ahston method, I was able to taper down to the point where I was able to get off. My personal Hell had just begun at that point. It took nearly half a year for my body/mind to even adjust to regular life again. Insomnia, the shakes, muscle spasms, horrible paresthesia, and only God knows whatever else plagues me during that time. I remember one night just lying on the floor shaking uncontrollably. It took six months, but God willing I got better. It was the biggest eye-opener for me on the medical industry that I could have ever went through.

Whether your god-complex will allow you to admit it or not, you people are human just like everyone else. You have no bloody clue on what the long term outcomes of this treatment may be, but you have no problem chastising and deriding others because they want to protect their health first. If there are adverse long term effects of this treatment, people like you will certainly not help any one suffering through it. I have every God given right to decide what I do/do not want to put into my body, and I refuse to feel pressured into compromising that right by anyone else.

Trust me, I wouldn't visit you even if I were dying. As Gadhafi said, you people "create the problems, and then sell the cure". Go let me know how many of you own pharmacies across the country and get back to me. I haven't been to a doctor in years, and I thank God for my good health. Bush medicine, or if I am really sick, an Advil, is the way to go. It has kept me through for years, and I have no intentions of ever changing that any time soon.

*Don't worry, a filthy "unvaxxed" (quotes because this is very clearly not a vaccine)*

What is it then ? What do you personally know that no-one else in the healthcare & scientific world knows? I can't wait to learn

Will answer your question with a question. Can you still catch and transmit COVID even after your two shots (or one, depending on what you are taking)?

Don't give me any of that BS about muh milder symptoms, I remember quite clearly having to spend the majority of last year wearing a mask everywhere because of "asymptomatic" cases being constantly mentioned in the typical fear porn media fashion. It is funny how the narrative has shifted from anyone around you could have COVID and not show it, to you are all of a sudden going to die unless you get injected with some mystery concoction in a year.

To clarify, I have no problem with anyone deciding to take whatever they want, everyone is responsible for their own life decisions, I just feel that nobody should be bloody forced to. We have no idea of what the long term outcomes will look like with these treatments. God forbid they ever cause adverse long term effects (it may or may not, we don't know), who will foot the bill from a mandate? Who is willing to accept liability now? No one so far.

Yes you can catch and transmit COVID even after you are fully vaccinated. That does not mean it is NOT a vaccine

And as far as long term effects, pre-clinical & clinical trials try and give an answer to that, as best as possible. As with all other disease treatments that are approved by regulatory bodies, clinical trials do actually continue long after the treatment has been approved. These days there are much stricter requirements for drug approval, than there were 40-50 yrs ago. Not to mention the days when penicillin, antibiotics, aspirin, tylenol, antiseptics, small pox vaccine etc, were discovered. Most of those had either very limited studies or none at all, but they ended up saving millions of peoples lives (or making their lives more comfortable).

It's not just drugs that we don't know the long term effects of. What about when TV's were invented, space travel, airplanes, cars, food supplements, cellphones, microwave ovens, the electric light bulb. There are literally thousands of things out there that we now take for granted, that were once new & novel and not well understood.

Now please answer my original question, but not with another question

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/vacci…

Terming something a "vaccine" implies that there is an immunity being granted. Can I expect to develop polio if I take the polio vaccination? What about hep A or B? It is quite clear that these treatments do not prevent someone from catching or transmitting COVID. Whether it makes COVID more bearable is another discussion, but the fact is that we are still back to square one with masks, social distancing, etc. Minnis was very clearly wrong when he insinuated that the pandemic was "over" for those who had taken the shots. Even what the federal government of Canada is doing makes no sense. Someone who has taken the shots can still easily infect those around them in the confines of an airplane, so there is zero practical purpose for saying that those who have refused the shots should not be able to fly (at least from a transmission POV).

Agreed with you that medical advancements can save millions of lives, but there is a flip side of that coin as well. Nobody realized that asbestos was harmful until millions of people had inhaled more than enough to kill them, in many cases right from their own homes. I am sure that millions of people died from cancer before people realized that there was a correlation with tobacco smoking. Same with how not many realized how CFCs destroy the ozone layer. Point is that we end up learning a lot of things as we go. I think that a big problem with how governments are handling this is that they are not willing to admit that. Grasping for straws and being proven wrong afterwards (like how Minnis was with his the pandemic is over comments) only serves to make the governments world wide look bad.

Not what you may have meant, but even something like the TV has had unforeseen effects on society. Think about how many people spend all day in front of some kind of screen, and then correlate that with the rising rates of mental illness we are seeing. All of this artificial light only disturbs the circadian rhythm and prevents us from getting our proper rest. Thinking about how we live compared to the history of our ancestors who were here for thousands of years before us shows that we are truly living in a world unlike any other. I would go as far as to say that, in most cases, we are not living the way our bodies were designed too. The amount of caffeine, plus so little (especially REM) sleep that we have today as a collective is no doubt playing a role in a lot of the mental issues that we are seeing crop up in recent years. Pretty deep when you start to think about it.

As a physician, I don’t have a problem with anyone refusing to get vaccinated. All we ask is that when you people get sick and hypoxic, please don’t come to the hospital asking us to save you! Please just stay at home and die! Trust me, we are all okay with that. The more fools in the grave the better.

As a lay person I wish physicians would get together as a group to give us real research studying our own people. I havent heard one physician to date present or request data on persons who've died after taking the vaccine. . Not just from COVID, from anything..This is part of a standard "new medication" evaluation policy, it doesn't imply the medication is bad, it says we're checking to ensure it isn't .... first do no harm.

Israel is up to the 3rd booster and still seeing reinfections. The first world is acknowledging that even boosters wont solve our COVID problem. Delta is most likely not the last variant and while I do believe vaccinations will give us time just like the lockdowns did in the early stages, I also believe we're wasting the opportunity in our arrogance by not doing something with that time.

I also wish for God's sake that vaccinated people would stop demonizing their fellow men and women. One day you will be on the other side of a virus. You will either be facing epsilon or you will be elderly and vulnerable. The data is quite clear to anyone not acting on emotion, our problems were brought on by decision makers and lax rules at the border not the unvaccinated.

I listened to the PM and his "updated" border policy, he is still not requiring that vaccinated people produce a PCR test before crossing the border. (The rapid antigen tests have a high failure rate). This policy is suicude.

Physicians have made mistakes after mistakes over the course of this pandemic starting with the misuse of ventilators, just because a person in a white cost says something it doesn't make it the word from God. We must always critically assess what we're being given. That was always and will always be a good thing.

*As a lay person I wish physicians would get together as a group to give us real research studying our own people.*

Sorry, but Physicians don't do Research, they diagnose and treat people. Research scientists, colleges, scientific institutions etc. do research.

Also, Israel is only offering boosters to people over 60 or those severely immunocompromised and this program only started a little over 2 weeks ago, so too early to say whether or not it will be effective

& Cobalt: Obviously you are a part of the agenda . Spreading fears and lies. If you choose to render services to the public at a tax funded, government institution, then you should also exempt the public from taxes. But of course you are still a racist. Name one country that has done mass vaccinations and the numbers of Covid cases are declining. If you are, in fact a doctor, you must be Dr Death.

#morerussianresearch #facepalm

John, please understand the PRIMARY GOAL of the vaccine, is to reduce the chances of hospitalization and/or death. Covid cases will still occur even in the vaccinated, but the symptoms will be much milder. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand.
Oh and yes, COVID cases are declining in many countries mainly due to vaccinations & natural immunity from being previously infected.

The reason that we as physicians haven’t published any research is because we are NOT research physicians! Research is not our area of expertise! We are hospitalists and intensivists. We are clinicians! Not researchers! Our country has no research physicians; or microbiologists; or epidemiologists etc etc. We are lacking badly in these fields. I don’t think y’all truly understand the condition of our country. We don’t have any government employed Bahamian scientist in the same way we do not have any government owned and operated hurricane shelters!

The appeal to authority is a fallacy. Sometimes the object of the appeal maybe convinced if he trusts the authority. But doctors spent a lot of credibility last year and the politician's own has always been fleeting.

Perhaps research requires funding and expensive materials. But discovery and observation does not. As a physician you surely have heard of John Snow, Ignaz Semmelweiss and just 20 years or so ago, Barry Marshall. It takes persistence.

Unless I was delirious, I would not beg for vaccine. Perhaps I would be angry , but would suffer the consequences.

I worry about your mental state doctor. You need a break. You should not be so angry as to call patients stupid.

Stupid is what stupid does. And I’m not here to initiate a senseless and endless debate with you. If YOU don’t want the vaccination, that’s fine. Just stay at home and die or treat yourself when or if you get sick. That’s the gist of my message. It would be better for all of us.

The state of the hospital is not because of the unvaccinated. Your anger is misplaced. I find myself agreeing with ondrap4, you may be in the wrong profession doctors shouldnt hate their patients or deny them care.

Just look back in history at the flippant statements from **DR** Minnis that he'd let vaccinated tourists in the country without testing. And all vaccinated whi wanted to have parties could Party On! Look at the emphatic denial from the Health Minister that there were no variants in country in the face of obvious evidence of variants. No doctor refuted him.

Your anger should be at the people who let the fox in the henhouse not at the hens because they arent running fast enough.

Hey….. if you don’t wish to get vaccinated then don’t. It’s your choice, your body, your life. But I can’t help but feel a little sense of gratification watching people like you wheeled to the morgue. Simply because I know there is one less fool in the world. Sounds awful. But it’s true.

You as most certainly not a doctor. Gratification? WOW!!!!

Yup. You meet the very definition of a demented sicko. You and Minnis have a lot in common. Small wonder you worship him so much and are always willing to do his bidding when it comes to pushing the vaccines by scaremongering and sputtering coercive threats.

Noone certainly, not myself, is asking you to invent a vaccine.

I have been calling for scientific analysis of data. You are telling not one doctor in the country is capable of doing that? Not one doctor wondered for a second whether we should look at our own numbers for abnormalities? The doctor doesnt even have to do the number crunching, get together with a data analyst or statistician,guide them based on your knowledge, then you use your medical knowledge to analyze and make inferences from the results. Nobody is capable of that? Not one doctor stopped for a second after decades of recorded data of medicines being pulled from the market after discovery of ill effects to human subjects to say, this vaccine came to market pretty quickly, we should monitor its effects, especially people who've taken it who've died? Nobody? If that is true we are truly in trouble

And that is just one question, there are others to be analyzed. Im flabbergasted at a statement from a doctor that says no doctor in the Bahamas can look at data and conduct research. Thats amazing

#facepalm

new england journal of medecine. journal of american medical association, the Lancet, and i can guve you a few more to get into if you like.

If you are referring to articles written by Bahamians, you dont have to, **I know Bahamian doctors know how to write a scientific paper**. Ive personally had discussions on submissions, for years now. As I said Im flabberghasted your doctor fellow fighter in the Bahamas would say Bahamian doctors are incapable of conducting research.

What I am doubly interested in is studues conducted on COVID related data on **Bahamian subjects**. All of the data. Vaccinated, unvaccinated, asymptomatic. 97% of us were never sick. Why?

Dr Dahl Reghis is more than capable. Im very proud of her. They tried to sideline her initially because of her age but time and talent rose to the top.

The term "Doctor" is not exclusive to Physicians, so I'm thinking there is a disconnect here. If you are referring to GP's, Physicians, Surgeons etc. then they do not typically do research.

Believe it or not, performing accurate and correct scientific research requires a certain skillset & understanding of how to do research and Physician's don't typically have these necessary skillsets to do this. This is why there are so many "false" studies out there on YouTube FB etc, conducted by 'Physicians'. As soon as your average layman sees a video by an author who is a physician, they think it has to be true, because that person is a Physician, whereas someone who has the necessary experience in the field of scientific research will immediately be able to poke holes in the design of the study or the data interpretation.

It's like saying any engineer will know how to design a bridge or a building, or a car or a spacecraft.

@ThisisOurs. Scientific analysis has to be conducted by a scientist, my friend! Not a doctor. Doctor’s are clinicians! They are not biomedical engineers, chemists or physicists. I’m trying to explain it nicely to you because I realize that you simply don’t understand how the branches of natural science works. Science is very organized and it’s very specific. And there are a lot of things you don’t understand. Furthermore, we don’t need data analysis to crunch numbers. The results are clear as day to anyone who is paying attention. But anyway….. to your point…… The PHO is keeping record of COVID19 cases, vaccination rates, as well as morbidity & mortality reports. The statistics are showing that 98.333% of COVID related deaths are among the unvaccinated!! That’s what you are not understanding!! We ARE keeping track of records and statistics. But when we’ve tried to explain these results to Bahamians, most of them rebuff us and tell us that our statistical data is wrong. The bottom line is “most Bahamians simply do not wish to be vaccinated”. And they are willing to believe or reject anything that supports this position. Most Bahamian people are not objective thinkers. They cannot grasp the concept of “evidence base practice”. They cannot understand that science and the scientific method controls everything in the very world that we live in. Many of us take drugs and don’t even think to understand how these drugs work. What is the drug design? What is the active ingredient of the drug? What are the pharmacokinetics of the drug? What are the pharmacodynamics of the drug? Instead, we just talk what we think and assume that because we think something that makes it true. Well it doesn’t! Scientific experimentation, data, and results are what makes things true. These are the things that separates facts from fiction; sense from foolishness. And the scientific data that we are seeing as clinicians suggests that the vaccinations are helping to decrease COVID19 death rates. Plain and simple. I don’t know what else to tell you.

Seriously again??? Listen Cobalt I PERSONALLY know doctors who work in partnership with statisticans every year to conduct medical research. The statisticians do the number crunching guided by the medical knowledge and the doctors analyze the results. If you want to focus on what cant be done God go with you

**The statistics show 97% of people never got sick.**

**Your data isnt wrong its incomplete. Can you tell me today the number of persons in the community who were asymptomatic? No. Because you dont have the data. Incomplete. Nobody took the time to identify the outcomes so nobody prepared the required data collection mechanisms**

Amazing that noone can give a count of persons who were vaccinated and died. Forget the cause of death. You couldnt even give a number because nobody is checking. When the CDC reports a death they dont say "we know the cause", they say it has to be investigated but the death is reported as an individual who received the vaccine and died. They want to make 3000% certain that the vaccine wasnt the cause. We not even checking. We dont care. We just barreling down the road then we gonna be shocked down the road if some negative impact is discovered, just as we are today, shocked that the hospital is at capacity. The road was paved from July 2020 for people looking at the **data**

ThisisOurs, you are not entirely incorrect, but you are also not entirely correct. A lot of qualified MD's decide to stay in the Research field and forego the opportunity to practice medicine. My late uncle was one of these MD's. After a few years of practicing medicine he decided to move into the corporate world and spent most of his working life in the Research field working on conducting Clinical Trials and studying Pharmacokinetics, along with Biostatisticians.
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The Doctors who you know who work with Statisticians are probably not practicing medicine, even though they may be qualified MD's. And if you do personally know doctors who are working with statisticians, then I think you should be able to ask them for the answers to your questions, right?

No it should not have to be so. It is this samr scientific community that has kept doctors who advocate lowcarb diets from publishing their data.

This set of mind us what had people who havr never taught doing research in Education and butchered the systems. The so called evidence based education is a load of crap from these DEds.

It is a sad day when the leader of a country has to stand in front of his people and tell bold face lies and to indulge in fear mongering with intensity. What exactly is Minnis’ agenda? Whilst he is telling Bahamians not to listen to stories on Facebook and Social media and to rush to take these mysterious and suspicious vaccines why does he resort to lying and fear mongering and mismanagement of the truth? His claim that thousands of people are getting sick and dying in the Caribbean for example. The Caribbean countries and African nations still have some of the lowest numbers of nee cases of corona and deaths. The United States, on the other hand, has 25% of all new corona cases worldwide and the four most vaccinated countries together account for over fourth percent of new cases. AND did Minnis tell you that the reason the rush is on in the US to vaccinate 12 year olds is because healthy children are returning to classrooms with vaccinated teachers and some are not only becoming ill, but taking the virus home to healthy family members. And Minnis didn’t tell you that vaccinated countries like The UK, France and Israel, for example are facing a quagmire as to what to do with vaccinated persons after the vaccines start to wear off (6-8 months). Some have started to give a third, booster shot, against the advice of some experts, who warn of possible side effects, unknown long-term effects and a definite further compromise if the patient’s immune system. The US has been recording triple digit numbers of new cases daily consistently for the summer and NONE of the highest vaccinated countries are able to bring their numbers of new cases down to pre-vaccinated levels. So the same challenge goes to Minnis as to his Minister of Health: name one single country that has reduced its numbers of new since becoming highly vaccinated. ONE. As for vaccinated people not being in the hospital or dying from corona, again Minnis is misleading. Vaccinated persons ‘suppress’ corona and are not corona-free. That is why when non vaccinated persons come in contact with them they can test positive or contract the virus. Their symptoms are also suppressed and so when they become ill, their symptoms are also different. Some suffer from blood clots and the virus attacking internal organs other than the heart or lungs. So if the patient dies and no full autopsy is done then the cause of death will not be listed as Covid.

Before Minnis plunge this country and its people into this degree of uncertainty, get himself (as a medical doctor) and his team of experts and study and review the data of the most vaccinated countries around the world including France, UK, Israel, Germany. Compare new cases before and after mass vaccinations began. NONE of these countries were able to bring their new cases down . The cases would leavel off, then spike ( back up. They are unable to bend the curve. And the US who is (forcibly) distributing vaccines around the world, has FOUR TIMES the number of nee cases than any other country in the world. Now compare four of the least vaccinated countries. Almost all have bent their curves for new cases and managed to bring the numbers back down, even after seeing spikes and surges. So if you want to argue that it is the Delta strain that is keeping the numbers high, the science does not support that argument. Not in the least.

its sad when you see those whom took an oath to protect and help sick persons saying don't come to the hospital. who the hell is you, sounds like you need a new occupation because you surely aint know what you signed up for.

I signed up to treat ailing patients who are willing to comply with conventional medicine. What I did not sign up for is this level of stupidity and sheer ignorance. It has become abundantly clear to me that most of y’all didn’t graduate school. This F average that’s been going on for the past four decades is now telling on us. All the dummies that we grew up with have now become adults. That much is obvious. And to make matters worst, y’all are in the majority.

Really then you did sign up for the wrong thing. Not to late to change professions. Try insurance it could be a good fit. You cannot hate your patients and offer good service. The hate will spill over to all your patients eventually

No I don’t hate them. I just believe and accept that the world is a better place without them. And if they wish to get to the grave hole quicker I’m not going to stand in their way. So by all means, don’t take the vaccination.

There you go again with your reading comprehension skills. Ive said over and over again that I believe vaccinations work. This world is take all kinds. You gonna need them same dumb people to save your children/parents/grammy/spouse from drowning in a hurricane. Do unto others as you would have them do to you. Don't save that doctor children, he wouldn't treat my cousin cause he was unvaccinated. The world round

so comply to something that has not been fully tried and proven. WOW

Besides social distancing and a complete lockdown, the vaccination is the closest thing we have to a proven solution you idiot! And statistically speaking, it’s working! But if you don’t want it, don’t take it.

Looks like you are the one with the F average.

No don’t get me mixed up with you! Y’all patients coming looking for me! Nurses page me to come and help save y’all. Not the other way around. Y’all are the fools who come to the hospital all bug- eyed begging for help.

So I guess you are not helping anyone these days since apparently only the unvaccinated are being hospitalized?

the vaccine cannot be the way out when vaccinated are spreading covid, we have to get away from this dam segregation, everyone has a right to choose, and its quite suspect when your leader wants to take away that right and force you to take something that isnt 100%

Now the CDC advising vaccinated at risk persons, even pregnant women!! not to take cruises. I dont know when y'all will understand that the people who telling y'all vaccinations is the be and end all dont know. They cant. Its unknowable. The wise thing to do would be to vaccinate but follow the data very carefully to prove results. We following one segment of the data. The part we want to push.

Sad to see medical personnel calling folks f average and we cant trust a vaccine that cannot receive the stamp of approval and has been stocked piled in the USA because of scare of being sue

Truth hurts. Think of the science knowledge level of the average Bahamian ( very poor) and then realize half the population is dumber than that! Add to it intelligent people who are misinformed and easily swayed by conspiracy theories and you have our current situation. Science works, the vaccine works, listen and trust our medical professionals, all else is drivel and hot air and unsubstantiated nonsense. People are dying everyday in this country from misinformation and lies, no one has died yet that we know of from the vaccine in the Bahamas. Indeed, from March through July not a single fully vaccinated person was hospitalized or died from COVID.

Half the population is uneducated. Another 80% lack comprehension skills (see what I did there?). There is NOTHING in the medical oath that says you can deny service to uneducated people or people who make you sick. I was about to say figuratively but you cant deny service literally either. The only way you can ethically remove your service is if the person refuses it

Why do you refuse to simply state if you are vaccinated?

because its none of your business. I replied to you. Read. There is still no ethical foundation to deny medical service to people you perceive as dumb

You silence speaks volumes.

No it says you dont understand privacy. No wonder you with the doctor who doesnt understand the Hippocratic oath

I don't think Cobalt ever said he/she wouldn't treat a patient. And, if you are so hell bent on privacy, maybe the information you require on deaths related to the vaccine (which as far as I know is zero), is not available because those people also wanted their medical history (vaccinated or not) to be kept private.

And your insistence on knowing something that's absolutely none of your business speaks to your bullying behaviour born out of arrogance and ignorance. Yup, like your buddy @Cobalt, you have an awful lot in common with Minnis.

If the ad hominem is fair game:
Cobalt is radioactive.
She went to the Mengele University of Medicine.
God forbid the nurses on the floor look away.

The @Cobalt "She" might be a "He", or more likely an inhumane "It".

@Cobalt would have us believe he is a physician, but he is clearly not one. No well trained and qualified physician on this planet would ever say, and I quote:

> "I’d rather they die by their own stupidity. Helping stupid people only begets more stupid people. I’d rather preserve that medication for people who truly deserve it. But unfortunately my oath as a physician doesn’t allow it. Plus there are too many other doctors and nurses around watching."

And the fact that @DonAnthony endorsed those very same words of @Cobalt with his own *"Amen"* really says all there is to say about these two pathetic scaremongering imbeciles. They are almost as bullying and arrogant as Minnis himself and therefore it's no surprise at all that they worship him so much. Talk about lousy dead beats - these scaremongering loonies really take the cake!

The crux of the matter is, the current vaccines will not end the pandemic. They are a stop-gap measure to helping to prevent severe disease and hospitalization, that is it. So while I support vaccinations, I do not think that they should be mandatory, and we should not demonize and vilify persons who do not wish to take them. We need to emphasize more mandatory testing, not only for travelers, but also locally for any type of large gathering including in-person dining. Currently, restaurants do not test "fully vaccinated" persons who want to dine inside. Lastly, we should entertain experimental medications that other countries have used to keep decrease hospitalizations such as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. The "vaccine or nothing" attitude is what is killing this and many other countries.

> Minnis said: "Bahamas Welding & Fire also presently has 2,500 gallons of liquid oxygen to supply to the clinics and the South Beach Clinic."

Let's hope management of Bahamas Welding & Fire and dim wit Minnis know that only very high quality, medical-grade liquid oxygen should be used for medical purposes.

lol

Cobolt is nothing more that a high polluting, nasty racist whose agenda is to peer down its nose condescendingly at the rest of the world and with despise and scorn.

Not the world. Just you.

Not according to the posts on this thread alone.

Seriously doubt Cobalt is a medical doctor. If her/she is they should make their name public and license number so I for one can avoid ever coming under their care. I seriously doubt they would do that because, it would not be long before he got put in front of a ethics committee from the medical council for his statements.

Research! Who in this country thinks they are qualified to do research? 99% of those "researching" have a below average education and those 1% left, have no qualification in the field. Stop insulting thousands of experts worldwide and take the damn vaccine! Who do you think you are? These are people who spent their lifetime in research and education, they all support the vaccines. No, there is no really qualified scientist, publication, study or otherwise who supports the stupidity of half of the commenters here. Zero, nada!

You dont have to spend no lifetime doing research. **University students do it every single year at the masters and PHd level**. As I said, **nobody is asking anyone to find the cure for COVID or create an alternate vaccine**. we are asking them to create protocols to capture meaningful data then analyze and interpret that data. Our university has been lazy to this point. So lazy you and Cobalt telling us its literally impossible.

"*No, there is no really qualified scientist, publication, study or otherwise who supports the stupidity of half of the commenters here. Zero, nada!*"

Really? Israeli scientists just completed research that says the boosters are probably not sufficient. The CDC just reported today that vaccinated vulnerable communities including pregnant women should avoid criuises. I posted the results last week on research investigating the link between obesity and COVID. There are tons of scientists and scientific research that supports the fact that vaccines alone are not sufficient. You dont want to accept it. **The one thing I see smart people saying in this pandemic is, we dont have all thr answers**

Collection and Interpretation of data is not as simple as you seem to think it is. There are many variables (controlled & uncontrolled) that can influence a study. Hopefully, you know that?

Studies have to be carefully designed. You can't just pick a couple of things and look for a correlation. There is typically always an influence from other variables, so you have to design the study around those. Any researcher or statistician will tell you this. Also, remember the golden rule - CORRELATION DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN CAUSATION..

And those studies you referred to offer nothing new that most people already assumed or knew about. Sorry, but nothing earth shattering there.

*Studies have to be designed very carefully and correlation does not mean causation*...

Well duuhh

You guys constantly pick up what you want to hear and completely ignore the rest. I made a point of saying doctors work with data analysts and statisticians. Are you telling me that a data analyst or statistician guided by medical practitioner on the objectives of the study and the variables of interest cant calculate a correlation coefficient?? Is that what you're telling me? That theyre incapable of taking a dataset and conducting regression analysis? How far will you guys go to keep your blinders on?

Saying its too hard and it cant be done and who knows how to design a study at the university where they offer advanced degrees in economics, will definitely ensure we get nowhere

You can't flip-flop between the word 'Doctor' and 'Medical Practitioner'. they are not one and the same. Yes, Research DOCTORS work with data analysts & statisticians. They also work with Toxicologists, CRO's, Pharmacologists (PK, DM etc). MEDICAL Doctors practice medicine, and work in hospitals, health centers etc. They generally do not interact with data analysts or statisticians. They are more likely to interact with Sales people from Drug companies, and hospital administrators. I think people are getting confused by your posts because of this..

If you think it's easy to do, you go ahead and design a study. Since you have personal contacts with physicians who interact with data analysts (per your earlier post), why not contact them and ask if they will either do it for you, or assist you, or COB to get the information you want.

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Thought you'd gone fishing? Guess they ain't biting

@lobsta, don't waste your breath ma brudda, carlton gets his information from a Russian State run media service like the Trumpie he is, Tribanon gets his jollies stirring shit and "druling', his word, in his own cesspit then flinging it wherever he thinks it will stick. John, the arch racist, thinks everyone else in the world but him is a racist particularly if his opinion differs from yours.
But then, as my late father in law used to say, it takes all kinds to make up the social order, and the cows may come and the cows may go but the bullshit in this place goes on forever!

I cant believe you two see a big institution sitting in the middle of the town, had a big ceremony to convert it to a university, then publish here today that no Bahamian doctor is capable of conducting research

**Study: Fully vaccinated people with "breakthrough" COVID Delta infections carry as much virus as the unvaccinated**
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Minnis say Bahamians should not hesitate or take time to do research but OXFORD ( makers of the AstraGenica vaccine says differently. Persons who are fully vaccinated and have a breakthrough of the virus carry just as much viral load as unvaccinated people who are infected
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This means these persons are asymptotic super spreaders. And when they receive their third dose they increase their antibodies 20 fold. They also increased their ability to spread the virus. The vaccines act like a mirror projecting the virus on to others.
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IN THEIR PRESENT FORM COVID VACCINES ARE BECOMING OBSOLETE! The spokesperson for OXFORD says vaccines are becoming less effective against the Delta virus and in their present form these vaccines will become obsolete. Since they do not prevent the virus or prevent a person from spreading the virus, it is difficult to determine the true benefits of the vaccines.
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And reports coming from several other vaccine makers echo similar sentiments.

Less effective does not mean ineffective! From March through July not a single fully vaccinated person was hospitalized or died from COVID in the Bahamas. Vaccines work. There is no debate on this point.

What part of *vaccines are part of the solution* didnt you hear?

From you? A person who even lacks courage to say if they have taken the vaccine or not despite having anonymity 😀 you have zero credibility on this issue.

So where is the Covid in Afghanistan?????

IS that is why they are DUMPING the vaccines? Because they are becoming OBSOLETE?

vaccine can be suggested as a tool but not the only way out. If more truthful information was being shared many may of considered, but its just shut up n get jab up.

Man....I truly enjoyed this blog today.....the conspiracy theorists really met their match today in one cobalt......they ganged up on cobalt and they vex vex

lol. It een nice.

But apparently Dr Sands is now quoting the same data out of Israel that the *conspiracy theorists* have been quoting for weeks. We lost weeks ignoring **data**. That's been my point all along, stop being arrogant, vaccinate yes, but follow the data very carefully so you can react quickly

We need to be asking questions constantly nobody knows where this virus is going. Nobody can assume that vaccination is the complete solution. Its being proven to only be a part of it. As Dr Sands says as long as poor nations remain unvaccinated this will remain the case. I will add, as long as we refuse to recognize the link between controls at the border and our spikes we will be at risk.

This ALL started because of an unwise border protocol and a failure to act proactively to address the outbreak. Just ho back and check. Mr Lloyd went do far as to say he wasnt concerned about a 3rd wave.

You certainly have a great deal in common with Wannabe Dr. Cobalt. LMAO

I cant believe I got the tribanon Z's Im going to add that to the column for @stillwaters

My mistake....was meant for @stillwaters as you correctly figured out for yourself.

dont lump me with him. I refuse

I completely understand your sentiment about @stillwaters. Once again...I apologize for the mix up.

@tribanon. Actually, every time I return to PMH I wish that I wasn’t a physician. Y’all people dumb man. Plus the medical resources are limited and out dated. But these contracts pay well and life is good so I don’t complain.

As we all know, there is no bigger fool than a fool who is only capable of fooling his foolish self. lol

Yup. A real wannabe. LMAO

Just make sure that you stay away from PMH. If or when you become short of breath and dyspneic and begin contemplating coming to the hospital…. pause for a minute and remember these messages. And trust me, I’m not the only doctor that feels this way about people like you. Laugh now, die later.

Insightful. This is probably why PMH had so many people dying under odd circumstances before COVID. Horror story after horror story. Doctors who could care less about a population they perceive as "dumb"

That’s right! Now you get it! And the politicians feel that way about y’all dumb asses too. Remember that!

Ive had multiple experiences with misdiagnosed family members and doctors who just gave medical explanations that made no sense. Years ago a Bahamian physician said to me afyer an encounter, be careful, not everyone in a white coat knows what they doing. At the onset of COVID I was told whatever you do try to stay out of PMH, wear your mask wash your hands stay away from people, admission would be an almost automatic death sentence. I cleaned the language up. Because some of them dont know what they doing and some just dont care. And if a death can be explained away, "*COVID, nothing could be done", "*elderly, it was their time*", "*comorbidities you know*", nobody is going to check. You are confirming at least one part of that. Im not even being funny here, you should find another profession it will be good for you personally, at some point your hate will kill people

Caveat. Ive also been told there are "some" really great physicians at PMH. But how do you tell the difference between one white coat and another?

Naaah. People like you and John make me realize that I have a lot more work to do. The more illiterate, dumb, jackasses like you we can assist to the grave the better. I’m actually doing my country a great service. Too many of y’all dummies exist in our country today. And you’re beginning to outnumber us sensible, right-thinking Bahamians. Y’all are like roaches and rats. And y’all spread your ignorance like bacteria and disease. My partners and I are going to use your own stupidity to usher you to the grave. We keep the morgue full with idiots like you. And the best part is, your family members will be nowhere around. So by all means, don’t take the vaccination. And when you feel the respiratory symptoms onset, then come to accident and emergency and ask for Dr. XOXO. I will gladly assist you.

You keep reaffirming and your comments are getting more and more disturbing. Again Im not even joking. Im thinking about Bahamians under your care depending on you to help them and you have this deep seated hatred for them. Maybe seek psychological counciling? Again Im not joking. Talk to someone other than people expressing the same level of hatred

Lol. Imagine a dummy like you trying to psychoanalyze someone like me. Let me tell you something; I’m a patriot. People like me rid our country of undesirables like you. People like you and John make our country unfit for decent people live. You’re the rats and rodents we despise and we will get rid of you at any cause. Do you remember the six gangsters who were mowed down by gunfire near Chesapeake Road? Don’t you find it strange that no one has been arrested? Why do you think that is? It’s because there is a silent collective effort among right-thinking Bahamians to rid our country of ALL objectionables. And while you may not be a criminal, you’re a rat nonetheless. But I tell you what…… come to me all you fools that are COVID laden and I will give you rest.

Again more confirmation of your mental state. And Im not trying to be funny or sarcastic. Because your comments are so disturbing for a real doctor, I can only assume that youre not a doctor at all or you just got there and don't know much. Either would be good theres time for life to teach you about how inappropriate your comments are. Its like the white officers in the US joking online about how they track and beat black suspects. Its extremely disturbing, both instances are evidence of bent mindsets and people in the absolutely wrong profession

@Cobalt: You're no patriot in just the same way that you're no physician. lol

You should see when Cobolt on here pretending to be Black. But he’s too blue with hatred and venom to put on a good pretense long enough.

LOL

SO WHAT DIRECTION DOES THE COUNTRY GO NOW? You have a (lame duck) prime minister urging Bahamians (and residents) to take the vaccines with haste, without hesitancy and without even tarrying to think or do some research. Then there are at least THREE representatives of the vaccine manufacturers ( including Pfizer and AstraGenica) that have voluntarily come forward and say the data they have indicates that the vaccines )as they are presently being administered) are no longer effective against the Delta strain of the virus. And the representative from Oxford research went even further and said the vaccines may be, in fact , hindering the battle against Covid -19 because vaccinated persons become super spreaders. While they are all hesitant about persons getting a third dose of the vaccines, they still think the vaccines should be administered to the most vulnerable. But the representative for Oxford also admitted that the vaccines, in their present form will become obsolete. The US, with full blessings of Joe Biden gave full approvals for the Pfizer vaccine. This means the vaccine can now be distributed by private medical facilities, it also means Biden can move forward with his plans to vaccinate schools children. Again some think this is another dangerous step in the wrong direction as it will turn children, who are low risk from the virus, into super spreaders. And it means they will be taking vaccines whose long term effects have not been mapped.

Don’t worry about where the country is going. Worry about where you are going. This country will be here long after your dumb bones turn to dust.

From dust we came and to dust we shall return. Worry not about the flesh but the spirit. The flesh returns to dust but the soul returns to the Creator for judgment. Where will your soul spend eternity? I have never seen you so beaten and defeated!

Beaten and defeated??? Lol. You’re funny. No one can be beaten or defeated by opinion-laced banter on a newspaper blog you idiot. You don’t know me, nor I you. There’s no money or personal gain to be had here. So what you’re really indirectly admitting is that YOU YOURSELF have felt beaten and defeated by the things I’ve insulted you with in the past? Damn. You’re more stupid than I thought. This is a political blog you fool. Don’t let it upset you. And if you are so sure about heaven and you going there, why are you so concerned with political issues? Doesn’t your Bible tell you not to concern yourself with such things? Sounds as if you’re conflicted. You have one foot in the world and the other in the things of God. You’re neither hot nor cold….. and I’ll let you finish the rest.

Why is he concerned about worldly matters and has one foot on earth and the other in things of God? Because his bible tells him to be in the world but not of the world. Meaning we're here, you have to work, pay taxes, eat, drink etc but your mind is always on the fact that this is not the goal. I explain because you ask, I never expect atheists to understand or think its any kind of sense and that's fine, free will.

You're really behaving like the limp noodle that we now all know you are. lol

Cobalt is a disturbed character John. His comments here are eye opening

No more disturbed than you or John who sees a racist around every corner and in every shadow. Cobalt’s comments might seem harsh but they are real and I understand the frustration they are born from. May the scales that have covered your eyes truly have fallen away. Try to walk in his shoes. He is tired and exhausted from treating ignorant, selfish unvaccinated people who put his health needlessly at risk. Vaccinate Bahamas!

@Wannabe Physician Cobalt is no real physician my friend.

PMH is a teaching institution. I completely forgot that....wow

Thank God for google, where I can research treatment and prescription before they start.