And who was the pilot ......... And whose plane was it????

Hmmmm

FAA registrations are public record. Pilot wasn't the owner. Also not an approved charter company aircraft. Quite likely Illegal carriage of Bahamian customers on a plane not subject to local charter company requirements. But keep up the great "reporting". This keeps happening because Bahamians cannot seem to learn. "Hackers" are cheap because they do not have to maintain their aircraft or train their pilots in the same continuous stringent way that an approved charter company does.

Obviously your remarks are misleading. The ratio of foreign craft:pilots crashing in The Bahamas is about four to one, even though there are more Bahamians flying across the country. And there are numerous air accidents in Florida as well. Do you also blame those ones on Bahamians? At this point everyone is grateful that there was just one fatality and not necessarily want your tongue lashing, especially since it’s loaded with misinformation. Yes there will be an investigation, as is the normal process. But to lay blame before the outcome is complete is reckless.

@pileit may well know the "call sign" (registration number) for this crashed aircraft which would give one access to a lot of publicly available info if the plane is indeed FAA registered. Also there's nothing misleading in @pileit's comments. I suspect though that your info about American pilots being more crash prone than Bahamian pilots is misleading for a number of very good reasons.

List two for the sake of confirmation.

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@john Respectfully, why do you choose to opine when you have no expertise on the topic. I'm not "tongue lashing" I'm sick of my fellow Bahamians dying at the hands of unapproved "good pilots" knowingly bending the rules. I'm openly addressing my Bahamian brothers and sisters who continue to patronize these shady characters peddling transportation in private aviation aircraft subject to less maintenance scrutiny, and piloted by crew subject to less recurrent training and MEDICAL requirements. I for one don't want my family and friends to suffer out of ignorance. Charter operations certificates are needed for a reason, and legit charters are more costly because they have to DO MORE to be considered safe for frequent commercial flying. Stop making excuses for lousiness.

Ok obviously you are the expert and, according to you, I know nothing. When was the last air accident involving Bahamians and how many people died? When were the last several air accidents involving non-Bahamians and how many persons perished? If you know of breeches in the safety rules and regulations and, more specifically, involving this craft, then you should report them. Especially since you are an expert and should therefore have a listening ear of someone in authority. No loss of life should be taken lightly.

my friend you are introducing red herrings. there are strict rules to be considered worthy and prepared to carry passengers commercially, there is a stark difference between the casual flyer who flies his aircraft recreationally or to commute, versus a commercial operation squeezing the most out of their aircraft, flying as much as possible in all manner of conditions. Commercial Operations are subject to strict requirements, and are inherently safer. Do the research, don't ask me. I already know. Since you keep talking about local events, how many deaths have occurred due flights on Current licensed Charter operations, and how many deaths on Private airplanes masquerading as "charter operations". I guarantee your findings will give you pause. further, go and look at the publicly available regulations, and SEE THE DIFFERENCE in minimum criteria for operation of private aircraft vs Certificated Commercial Operations. This truly does not bear further discussion for me. feel free to fly the "hackers", on your own head be it.

We continue to have these mishaps involving "hackers" with no real consequences.

Nothing changes in 242. There's always a coverup, payoff or sweep under the rug because of who is involved.

That's how we do it in 242.

You also have people taking medicines from people whom are.nit licensed pharmacists. I can't.imagine taking a prescription from someone whom isn't licensed. Also, people are.putting braces.on teeth, and bleaching teeth without a dental degree. Where are the pharmacy council, where and the dental council? Physical therapist whom go to school for years to be licensed are competing with non licensed therapist. What the he'll is.this?

Unconfirmed report that that the daughter of the colon's crown minister Alfred Sears was on the plane and has been taken to clinic, The aircraft was of Bahamas Registration is PA-31- 310, US registration N711JW and that was piloted by Brad McPhee ― Yes?

N711JW would be be US Registration

Owner is showing be US Individual named Mohammad Roya. And doesn't appear be a passengers commercial designated aircraft.― Yes?

They always try to castigate the Bahamas and Bahamians as if this is the only country that are facing problems. And to say that air travel safely in The Bhamas remains unchecked and has not improved is absolute rubbish. And what do you call someone who knew beforehand of ‘an accident waiting to happen,’ but does nothing!
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I hate to say this, but I have to say it: you sir, are an idiot. Air travel in the Bahamas is safe, IF you travel an officially licensed entity that has been subject to certification and continuous surveillance. Who can account for a maverick knucklehead that shows up at an airport and says "hey I ga carry you to Nassau for $120"? The public HAS BEEN TOLD that there is a structure of certification, yet they continue to fly with these lawbreakers. I suggest you join them, certification be damned, all a we is one, lets all plunge into the bushes to prove our mutual love and care for each other.... pure idiocy,

A similar situation occurs with drugs and gun violence. To hear doe people speak, one would think The Bahamas is the only country facing these problems. But the US has 14 mass shootings in a single weekend and a major mass shooting every single week in 2022. Over 7,000 people died from drug overdose in the US in 2021 mostly opioids and that number is expected to increase in 2022. But except for the occasional interdiction of drugs in this country, has there ever been a meeting of minds to decide how to best tackle these problems?

you are badly in need of further knowledge. If I thought you were actually interested in gaining an understanding of the matter you keep applying these mealy-mouthed, hand-wringing comments to, I would engage you directly for your own edification. Continue to excuse folly, "cuz erryone else gat der seem prorblem" Sweet Saviour "pilot" me.

Your prejudice is obvious. As I stated, if you have information that will assist in the investigation then send it to the authorities. Resorting to name calling reflects on you badly. And despite your barrage of insults, I am still very much entitled to my opinion. If you are so correct in your information then the coercion, rude coercion is unnecessary. And the greatest insult is you calling Bahamians your brothers and sisters. That statement stinks to high Heaven. Because we are not.

@John is badly in need of his medication.....I sense he's stopped taking his pills again. Not good. Suggest you ease up on him otherwise he might have a hissy fit and blow a gasket.

I agree Pileit ...... We continue to justify wrongdoing.

What if Sears & Finlayson daughters had died in the crash??? ..... Only this one poor young woman with no name status.

This country is full of crap.

Your last sentence is so true......@John is but one shining example of what you say our country is full of. LOL

According to Flight Tracker this Aircraft was purchased on 24th March (just over 2 months ago) by one Mohammadi Roya and spent last week flying back and forth to Deadman’s Cay. Maybe this basic and readily available public info. will assist in some proper investigative reporting?!?

@pileit, when dealing with individuals like John be mindful of the old saying “ sometimes you have to stop arguing with people and just let them be wrong!”

@ messenger an old say also goes ‘speak now and sound like a fool, or stay quiet and ba a jackass for the rest of your life.

in all truth, I meant no personal insult. your track was one of idiocy, in my opinion. I apologize for any offense conveyed. Sadly the tone and clamor on social media offering thoughts and prayers and worshipping the pilot for bringing everyone in safely is all too familiar & recurring, the mindset of sheep. it will all be replayed again in too short a time because we lack discipline and self-accountability... I wonder if a US citizen was onboard, and the US reacted with concern, if Bhamas social media would be clamoring "stop axin questions, jes tank gawd alla dem live!" peace.

I think you misquoted the saying, it originates from the bible

"*let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger. Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent*"

If you were referring to me about mis quoting then your application of this quote is inappropriate. I never put out any information that was false or inaccurate. In fact I was questioning the information put out by another poster who claims he was coming to the rescue of the Bahamian people, his brothers and sisters. Some also went to Africa claiming to help ‘the natives.’ Some ended up on ships and were taken ‘to a strange land where they were made slaves and mistreated for 400 years.’ Others were given ‘AIDs’ vaccines that were actually live AIDS. And even recently others in Nigeria lost lives and livelihoods as greedy oil companies went in and destroyed land, fresh water streams, fishing villages and any obstruction, in their way including humans, in their efforts to extract oil from this region.

I wasn't referring to anything other than your use of the quote "*speak now and sound like a fool, or stay quiet and ba a jackass for the rest of your life.* Its an inaccurate representation of the intended meaning of the saying. The proverb actually says, its "ok" to be uninformed/ignorant/foolish (all of us are on some issue), but its better to be quiet than to speak(as an authority) if you are. You implied that "intelligence" was speaking even if you are foolish. The only scenario where that applies is if you acknowledge ignorance and ask to be educated

Its neither here nor there...

@messenger its difficult to turn away when your intent is to help. but you're correct, it's often hopeless. He states I'm "prejudiced" now in his eyes I'm a non-bahamian, and presumably non-black, why? because I hold a stern, informed, strict view of this industry, and have seen this story played out too many times to count. One wonders if his sheep like disposition would be the same were it his daughter lying dead in the wreckage. I may as well set up shop doing molar extractions, when some idiot that engaged my services dies from infection, I can always rely on John to come to my defense, after all, what does it matter that there are strict laws against pretending to be an oral surgeon, out of the 20 people I operated on, only 2 died, so I "saved" 18!!! John will stop the critics from vilifying me, because he understands I'm only trying to feed my kids, and as Bahamians, we shouldn't drag each other down.... frig the law, it only there for the white man profit, right?

It is you who want to personalize your discourse. Firstly they are many prejudices other than being racially predetermined. You called me ignorant and sine you don’t know me , obviously you are prejudiced against my intelligence and education, or the lack of them. Secondly whether you are black, white Bahamian or otherwise, I am not your brother, so I asked you to refrain to referring to me as such. I may be the one ne who may be non Bahamian or non- brother and it is offensive to not only make those assumptions, but to refer to me as such. And since, according to you, you are the expert in plane ownership and crash investigations and illegal operations, then there’s no need for further investigations as your was thorough, precise and complete. Of course it would be in your best interest to start ck to the topic as opposed to attempting to personalize your posts, esp with insults and mud slinging. And in your words ‘you are yet another ‘white man to the rescue’ and John is hindering your efforts. Such is so laughable

Alright John, you win, you evidently need to. Don't forget to hack next time you fly. /End of

Amen!

Whilst this side tracked debate is somewhat entertaining on a rainy holiday, myself and at least a few others would like to know a bit more about the background and in turn, what caused this tragic “accident”, as it certainly was not intentional, but perhaps preventable. Let us start with the following “basic” Questions:

1. Did the Pilot own the Plane?
2. If not, on what basis did he have permission to operate?
3. Was the Pilot licensed to operate this type of Aircraft?
4. Was the Plane licensed for charter?
5. Unlike in Nassau, is it true weather was not a factor at Deadman’s Cay?
6. Did the Plane run out of fuel (no evidence of fuel igniting from Photos)?
7. If not, given Twin Engine Aircraft, why did both Engines apparently fail?
8. What does Pilot say occurred?
9. Does such an Aircraft have an “infamous” Black Box?
10. Given lack of Security at Deadman’s Cay Airport, could Plane have been sabotaged?

Then there were the days when planes suspected of carrying a cargo of illegal drugs were shot out the air, especially over Andros. And the son of at least one sitting MP was caught up in the crossfire.

Its regatta weekend. There were 8 people on board. The last thing this sounds like is a drug plane

Any pilot will tell you - this is a very clear case of a pilot trying the "impossible turn". If you lose one of two engines on takeoff, the absolute last thing you do is try to turn around. You climb very very slowly, gain altitude, and *then* turn around.

This is *exactly* the same thing that happened with the unlicensed "charter" operator a few years ago when they ditched in to the lake in Nassau. It seems that the regulators are unable to unwilling to prevent further deaths. They, along with this pilot, have blood on their hands.

Unsure how aviation authorities can be expected to stop random Bahamians from boarding a private airplane lured by cheap 'fares'? I don't think they're equipped with mind-readers or teleportation equipment. All they can do is raise awareness of the requirements for legal commercial operations, and the perils of flirting with these private shysters masquerading as commercial operators. There is a publicly accessible list of approved Bahamian commercial operators on the aviation authority website. I've just looked through it.

Maybe, when filing a flight plan they should be made to declare that it is not a commercial flight. Maybe not allow a flight that is suspicious. Not everyone should be expected to know that it is illegal. I do not know if this is standard practice because I personally was made aware that for insurance purposes"catching a ride" with a hacker could be considered risky.

Lol @ "*for insurance purposes*"....yes I'll gamble with my life but not if insurance wont pay*

The Authority has been there, done that, as far as attempting to make the public aware of the risks of flying with hackers, usually following a tragedy. What "they'' have been unable to figure out is how to enforce the aviation laws on the books. Just par for the course with Bahamas government, either unwilling or incapable.....

Aircraft registered to a owner in California. Calling it now fuel exhaustion. Long flight from California. Seriously When the US NTSB investigate aircraft crashes they do in fact blame the pilots if they caused the crash. Maybe the AAIA uses a different approach?

Who is to be blamed for flying a plane after a long flight that could cause "fuel exhaustion">

Gas prices in California has now hit $10 a gallon thereabouts. Would be interesting to see what happens here over the next few days.

Lol. Implication being... they decided not to load up with fuel required for the trip because gas was too expensive??? I suppose someone "might" chance it on a short hop but I'd be uber surprised if someone did that calculation for a long haul trip. IF and that's IF fuel were an issue (because only God knows what happened at this point), more likely that they miscalculated the amount needed or someone missed a step

Notwithstanding the price of gas in California I would admire to know how a Piper Navajo with a maximum range of roughly 11-1,200 miles could make the trip from Los Angles or San Francisco to Deadman's Cay Long Island, roughly 2,700 miles, which would also take approximately 11 hours at the aircrafts best economical cruise speed of 240 mph. SMH!