You can be irritated and still be truthful...not a hard concept...pretty certain everything he said would be factual...even if he was irritated and pissed off. You are very quick to not touch my other points in the breakdown of the paragraph though...and where in there it says you MUST carry your documents...all it says is you need to present them within a reasonable time...does not say it must be on his person at all times. There is a BIG difference.
OK...cool...let's pull that paragraph apart...very interesting...
(b) refuses or fails to answer fully and truthfully any question or enquiry lawfully put to him in the course of interrogation under the provisions of paragraph (c) of section 8(1);
In this guys case...did he refuse or answer any questions untruthfully...pretty certain he would have answered every question with 100% truth...are you employed...YES...do you have a work permit...YES...do you have your permit on you...NO...that's not a lie, that is being truthful.
or (c) gives any answer which he knows or has reasonable cause to believe to be false or misleading to any such question or inquiry , as aforesaid;
Same again...would any of what he said be false or misleading??
or (d) when required to produce any document under the provisions of section 8(2), refuses or fails to produce within a reasonable time any such document which it is in his power to produce, or, with the intention of misleading any Immigration Officer produces any document which he knows or has reasonable cause to believe to be false or misleading; or (e) otherwise knowingly misleads or attempts to mislead any Immigration Officer acting under the provisions of paragraph (c) of section 8(1) or section 8(2).
Pray tell...what exactly is 'reasonable time...30 seconds? "refuses or fails to produce within a reasonable time any such document which it is in his power to produce"
There is still nowhere in there that says as anyone...citizen, permanent resident, permit holder must carry their papers showing status on them at all times. Give me the paragraph that says it...'Persons on a work permit are required by law to carry their permit and government issued ID on them at all times'...
Where is it?
They should also better define 'reasonable time' in there as well while they are at it.
Not necessarily saying the FNM has a chance, and if they did it would only be after a MAJOR reshuffle and campaign shift...I've voted FNM for years...I would not vote for them in their current state...but, on the same hand, the plp cannot get voted back in to carry on this train wreck of governance. I just hope when the time comes, there is a good viable alternative to the PLP.
Pretty much yeap...but according to the written law, there is no where that says in the actual law saying that permit holders MUST carry their documents...and for that matter, are tourists meant to carry their passports and immigration card everywhere they go...NO...so stop making up unwritten laws to fill a void...make the laws, put them in writing, debate them in the house, that is what we pay you all for. Don't just wing it and assume everything will be cool.
May not be 100% appropriate...but in effect that is the path the government is heading down ignoring the written laws of the country...they are making up unwritten laws in their head as they go along and expect everyone to comply. Bull crap.
Yeap...the letter to the editor about the the luncheon speech just reiterates that. They know they have lost the support and backing of the masses so they are just going to barge on ahead and do anything they want regardless because no one can stop them. He's willing to use any resources at his fingertips to accomplish his missions, no matter how misguided they are.
agreed...in this day and age, it is possible...mind you, they would need to depend on BTC's data link through the GSM network to warp back into the office to pop up file records.
As silly an non-sensical as that sounds, according to Fred Mitchell and the Immigration Department, they are perfectly in their right and logic to do just that. Go pluck some scuba divers off of a dive site and demand proof that they are allowed to be in the country. That whole commons sense things just keeps coming up and biting them in their apparent lack of a&$.
B_I_D___ says...
You can be irritated and still be truthful...not a hard concept...pretty certain everything he said would be factual...even if he was irritated and pissed off. You are very quick to not touch my other points in the breakdown of the paragraph though...and where in there it says you MUST carry your documents...all it says is you need to present them within a reasonable time...does not say it must be on his person at all times. There is a BIG difference.
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B_I_D___ says...
OK...cool...let's pull that paragraph apart...very interesting...
(b) refuses or fails to answer fully and truthfully any question or enquiry lawfully put to him in the course of interrogation under the provisions of paragraph (c) of section 8(1);
In this guys case...did he refuse or answer any questions untruthfully...pretty certain he would have answered every question with 100% truth...are you employed...YES...do you have a work permit...YES...do you have your permit on you...NO...that's not a lie, that is being truthful.
or (c) gives any answer which he knows or has reasonable cause to believe to be false or misleading to any such question or inquiry , as aforesaid;
Same again...would any of what he said be false or misleading??
or (d) when required to produce any document under the provisions of section 8(2), refuses or fails to produce within a reasonable time any such document which it is in his power to produce, or, with the intention of misleading any Immigration Officer produces any document which he knows or has reasonable cause to believe to be false or misleading; or (e) otherwise knowingly misleads or attempts to mislead any Immigration Officer acting under the provisions of paragraph (c) of section 8(1) or section 8(2).
Pray tell...what exactly is 'reasonable time...30 seconds? "refuses or fails to produce within a reasonable time any such document which it is in his power to produce"
There is still nowhere in there that says as anyone...citizen, permanent resident, permit holder must carry their papers showing status on them at all times. Give me the paragraph that says it...'Persons on a work permit are required by law to carry their permit and government issued ID on them at all times'...
Where is it?
They should also better define 'reasonable time' in there as well while they are at it.
On Lawyer advises ‘carry documents’
Posted 18 January 2014, 7:19 a.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
Not necessarily saying the FNM has a chance, and if they did it would only be after a MAJOR reshuffle and campaign shift...I've voted FNM for years...I would not vote for them in their current state...but, on the same hand, the plp cannot get voted back in to carry on this train wreck of governance. I just hope when the time comes, there is a good viable alternative to the PLP.
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Posted 18 January 2014, 7:10 a.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
Pretty much yeap...but according to the written law, there is no where that says in the actual law saying that permit holders MUST carry their documents...and for that matter, are tourists meant to carry their passports and immigration card everywhere they go...NO...so stop making up unwritten laws to fill a void...make the laws, put them in writing, debate them in the house, that is what we pay you all for. Don't just wing it and assume everything will be cool.
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Posted 17 January 2014, 7:55 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
May not be 100% appropriate...but in effect that is the path the government is heading down ignoring the written laws of the country...they are making up unwritten laws in their head as they go along and expect everyone to comply. Bull crap.
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B_I_D___ says...
Yeap...the letter to the editor about the the luncheon speech just reiterates that. They know they have lost the support and backing of the masses so they are just going to barge on ahead and do anything they want regardless because no one can stop them. He's willing to use any resources at his fingertips to accomplish his missions, no matter how misguided they are.
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Posted 17 January 2014, 4:27 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
agreed...in this day and age, it is possible...mind you, they would need to depend on BTC's data link through the GSM network to warp back into the office to pop up file records.
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Posted 17 January 2014, 3:19 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
As silly an non-sensical as that sounds, according to Fred Mitchell and the Immigration Department, they are perfectly in their right and logic to do just that. Go pluck some scuba divers off of a dive site and demand proof that they are allowed to be in the country. That whole commons sense things just keeps coming up and biting them in their apparent lack of a&$.
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Posted 17 January 2014, 2:57 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
Well yeah...if you look at it that way...
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Insane...he's lost the plot and his mind.
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