Sheeprunner12, here is your quote on hiring a convicted murderer as principal, are u for or against standards, i cannot tell, but we cannot have it both ways... I'm open minded, tell me if there is some misunderstanding of your position.
"to all of my fellow contributors:
What quality or characteristic disqualifies Mr. Sands from being a civil servant ............ after he had been charged, convicted and sentenced for manslaughter???????????
Or is teaching a special "civil service" job??????????
If that was the case the Government would have established the Teachers Service Commission by now.................... SMH
Was he charged with a crime against a child/young person????????? Was he a pedophile?????????
Please quote the General Orders or Public Service section that disqualifies him.
Until then.......................... he has paid his dues for his crime. Lets move on. "
Cornel, the reality is in our little country a large percentage of the population are into getting over and total subjective morality even when it comes to clear standards of right and wrong.
In the U.S Liability would take care of this. No public entity would take this risk. Could u imagine the lawsuit if anything happen to those kids or anyone under his care..
Sheeprunner12, u cannot subjectively apply those standards. To say he paid his dues then u must apply the same standard to all that have paid there dues and grant them the same opportunity regardless of crimes committed. Then all criminals are allowed to apply and be granted trust positions in public service as long as they paid their dues accordingly. So if a individual raped someone 30 years ago and has lived a outstanding life since then we should not disqualify him from being a teacher or principle. What about someone convicted of embezzling money 30 years ago should they now be able to become minister of finance or school treasurer. Can these individuals then say, u hired a convicted murderer, i just raped someone or molested someone, he killed someone so how can he qualify for a job. Now do u see where we are going.. Our Criminal history has to be a factor otherwise our system would be infested with ex criminals.
Birdiestrachan if the devil was a PLP u would be on his team talking about how we have characterized him wrong. Its not about forgiveness its about trust and standards. He can be one of the best people ever but he should not get to hold a position of public trust because of a criminal record period. If i knew him i would probably be in support of him but objectively we must have standards to eliminate personal bias. Without standards we are all screwed.. What's next a convicted child molester from 30 years ago wants to open a day care, maybe they changed but are u willing to put our kids at risk on some hope & forgiveness. That child molester could make the argument, well u let a convicted murder be principle why can't i open a day care I have not molester in 30 years i change.. I say screw that lets not open Pandora's box of dysfunction.
Resign your Post Minister Fitzgerald, that's the most idiotic statement ever.. P.M sees nothing wrong with calling bank for friend, Minister of education sees nothing wrong with a convicted murderer being principle.. This is why we are so plagued with crime, when so called educated people & leaders have no morals or standard what do we expect from the street. That principle must be very connected
rediscoverpurpose, its not about forgiveness its about trust, the man has been forgiven. Are u willing to apply the same rule of forgiveness objectively? Example if Randy Frasier has repented of his sin and lives an exemplary life for the next 10 years are you willing to have him mentor a young family female. I would think not. We cannot pick and choose forgiveness and apply the rules of individuals pass subjectively. The rule has to be if u have a criminal record u cannot hold a position such as his period. Our kids are to important to take such risk.
Both the FNM and PLP are full of it when it comes to the Webb shop.. Both could legalize it or destroy it if they wanted too. The reality is Webb shop owners pay, that is campaign contributions, illegal payoffs etc. Money talks, b.s. is for the delusion party faithfuls but in the end politicians head straight to the bank to make there illegal deposits right next to the Webb shop owners making theirs.. Politics as usually, there is no angels among any of them.. Until people take the blinders off and change there tribal PLP/FNM mentality and demand more accountability and transparency from leaders this b.s is just the way it is..
Commish is delusional, with those murders how many attempted murders, serious assaults, robberies are happening that r being reclassified. Attempted murders should have its own crime category as unsuccessful murder attempts & reported as such. Lastly these individuals presented a grave danger to society before this crime, nothing has changed except they killed someone who matters, in a community that matters. All crime committed against anyone regardless of social status must be treated the same in order to break barriers in fighting crime.
Agreed.. we are all sympathetic to the daughter & believe in forgiveness but that has nothing to do with trust. U don't get to hold certain positions with a criminal record & that should be an objective standard across the board
Bahamianpride says...
Sheeprunner12, here is your quote on hiring a convicted murderer as principal, are u for or against standards, i cannot tell, but we cannot have it both ways... I'm open minded, tell me if there is some misunderstanding of your position.
"to all of my fellow contributors:
What quality or characteristic disqualifies Mr. Sands from being a civil servant ............ after he had been charged, convicted and sentenced for manslaughter???????????
Or is teaching a special "civil service" job??????????
If that was the case the Government would have established the Teachers Service Commission by now.................... SMH
Was he charged with a crime against a child/young person????????? Was he a pedophile?????????
Please quote the General Orders or Public Service section that disqualifies him.
Until then.......................... he has paid his dues for his crime. Lets move on. "
On Immigration officer 'drove getaway car'
Posted 17 April 2014, 12:54 p.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
Cornel, the reality is in our little country a large percentage of the population are into getting over and total subjective morality even when it comes to clear standards of right and wrong.
On Immigration officer 'drove getaway car'
Posted 17 April 2014, 12:13 p.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
In the U.S Liability would take care of this. No public entity would take this risk. Could u imagine the lawsuit if anything happen to those kids or anyone under his care..
On 'No reason to question character of principal'
Posted 16 April 2014, 4:39 p.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
Sheeprunner12, u cannot subjectively apply those standards. To say he paid his dues then u must apply the same standard to all that have paid there dues and grant them the same opportunity regardless of crimes committed. Then all criminals are allowed to apply and be granted trust positions in public service as long as they paid their dues accordingly. So if a individual raped someone 30 years ago and has lived a outstanding life since then we should not disqualify him from being a teacher or principle. What about someone convicted of embezzling money 30 years ago should they now be able to become minister of finance or school treasurer. Can these individuals then say, u hired a convicted murderer, i just raped someone or molested someone, he killed someone so how can he qualify for a job. Now do u see where we are going.. Our Criminal history has to be a factor otherwise our system would be infested with ex criminals.
On 'No reason to question character of principal'
Posted 16 April 2014, 4:28 p.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
Birdiestrachan if the devil was a PLP u would be on his team talking about how we have characterized him wrong. Its not about forgiveness its about trust and standards. He can be one of the best people ever but he should not get to hold a position of public trust because of a criminal record period. If i knew him i would probably be in support of him but objectively we must have standards to eliminate personal bias. Without standards we are all screwed.. What's next a convicted child molester from 30 years ago wants to open a day care, maybe they changed but are u willing to put our kids at risk on some hope & forgiveness. That child molester could make the argument, well u let a convicted murder be principle why can't i open a day care I have not molester in 30 years i change.. I say screw that lets not open Pandora's box of dysfunction.
On 'No reason to question character of principal'
Posted 16 April 2014, 1 p.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
Resign your Post Minister Fitzgerald, that's the most idiotic statement ever.. P.M sees nothing wrong with calling bank for friend, Minister of education sees nothing wrong with a convicted murderer being principle.. This is why we are so plagued with crime, when so called educated people & leaders have no morals or standard what do we expect from the street. That principle must be very connected
On 'No reason to question character of principal'
Posted 16 April 2014, 12:38 p.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
rediscoverpurpose, its not about forgiveness its about trust, the man has been forgiven. Are u willing to apply the same rule of forgiveness objectively? Example if Randy Frasier has repented of his sin and lives an exemplary life for the next 10 years are you willing to have him mentor a young family female. I would think not. We cannot pick and choose forgiveness and apply the rules of individuals pass subjectively. The rule has to be if u have a criminal record u cannot hold a position such as his period. Our kids are to important to take such risk.
On Daughter of principal calls for forgiveness of ex-convicts
Posted 16 April 2014, 9:05 a.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
Both the FNM and PLP are full of it when it comes to the Webb shop.. Both could legalize it or destroy it if they wanted too. The reality is Webb shop owners pay, that is campaign contributions, illegal payoffs etc. Money talks, b.s. is for the delusion party faithfuls but in the end politicians head straight to the bank to make there illegal deposits right next to the Webb shop owners making theirs.. Politics as usually, there is no angels among any of them.. Until people take the blinders off and change there tribal PLP/FNM mentality and demand more accountability and transparency from leaders this b.s is just the way it is..
On FNM deputy criticises delay in webshop laws
Posted 16 April 2014, 8:50 a.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
Commish is delusional, with those murders how many attempted murders, serious assaults, robberies are happening that r being reclassified. Attempted murders should have its own crime category as unsuccessful murder attempts & reported as such. Lastly these individuals presented a grave danger to society before this crime, nothing has changed except they killed someone who matters, in a community that matters. All crime committed against anyone regardless of social status must be treated the same in order to break barriers in fighting crime.
On 'British man's killers could commit other crimes'
Posted 15 April 2014, 7:43 p.m. Suggest removal
Bahamianpride says...
Agreed.. we are all sympathetic to the daughter & believe in forgiveness but that has nothing to do with trust. U don't get to hold certain positions with a criminal record & that should be an objective standard across the board
On Daughter of principal calls for forgiveness of ex-convicts
Posted 15 April 2014, 1:12 p.m. Suggest removal