Civil Disobedience is term without any basis in a just society, as for this term to have meaning and validity it requires that the order of the " government" to have a greater standing than that of the people. Clearly we all know that government has only one real claim of legitimacy, and that is to "serve the people" ! That being said, clearly, one cannot be disobedient of one's own self, therefore, we cannot be considered "civilly disobedient" towards our government, who's legitimacy stems from serving us. But rather; it is the government who must be considered illegitimate, if the people are driven to rise up. I.e. if a government conducts actions that are not satisfactory to the people, it should be the government that is considered illegitimate by the simple fact that the people needed to rise to oppose those that exist to serve the same people.
Hard to believe so many get caught up in these dogmas, clearly equal rights for men and women is a must.
why not just amend the constitution to say that.
What's going on here is an attempt to use this non issue, to keep people occupied and in the hopes that we get so caught up in this, that we forget everything else. Sadly , it seems to be working.
Hide the ball anyone? Heard of it? This is just a game, and you be the fools.
“Christian scripture underscores the worth of each individual be they male or female.
Did someone really say that? They must have closed their eyes when they passed the pages that say women are property. Or perhaps they missed Exodus 21.21 where it says you can beat your slaves.
Add a line to the constitution that says " Men and Women are to have equal rights on every issue" problem solved.
Leave the god dogma , delusion out of government, it should be made illegal anyhow!
John the problem, ie the sickness of religion lies in its history, and wavering story. The bible says slavery was good, it even says you can beat your slaves as long as they don't die. Exodus 21.21 Women are property, homosexuals should be killed, burn witches for their imaginary crimes. When it comes to morals, notice, that society has progressed in spite of religion, not because of it. Women now have rights, and can vote, we don't burn witches because we now know they don't really have powers, we don't allow slavery, we don't allow and would now criminally charge parents for burying their children in house foundations to appease the "weather gods" . If you follow any religious text literally society would be morally bankrupt. We have made many improvements , due to putting religious dogma aside. The biggest problem with religion is it is not being honest. To be honest, the religious would have to accept that most of the text was bad / evil. Instead religious people say these are metaphors, yet somehow they used to employ these tactics described in the bible word for word; but now they are just metaphors??? Be honest, admit is was horrible, and admit there are no facts to justify your beliefs. Pray to god if you will, believe in him/her if you choose, but at least be honest and admit what it is. For society to move ahead, all must be equal, even when different. I don't feel comfortable with a lot of these new "ways of society" , but that doesn't give me the right to treat people badly. And certainly a book of tales, many of which are awful, certainly doesn't give anyone "high moral ground" to stand on and say gays / lesbians / transgenders are bad.
John you're a religious nut, can't you wake up and realize religion is a fairytale, it's not true in any way shape or form. You need to grow up and grow out of this!
Hey Sheeprunner12, you might feel that these MPs speak for you, however I don't think you will find many who agree.
First of all, one big flaw of the "democracy illusion" is that you elect leaders based on what they say during the "political race". However, when the lies and false pretences of their party platform, the only real bases of which we have to make our voting decision, shine through, we are left helpless with no efficient means to remove these same leaders from power.
So we are duped, or at best, victims of choosing the lesser of evils during the election, only to find out we have some mildly or even horribly psychotic / delusional / ignoramuses at the wheel for the entire term of government. Perhaps most importantly; not only do they not represent us, or carry out the will of the people, but rather they run amuck, lying cheating and stealing the country and people blind for their full term in office. The "democracy illusion: is nothing other than a carefully crafted scheme in which the people are tricked into electing members from (in our case) one of two factions of the same political / ideological team, albeit, they operate under different party names; names aside, they're either part of the ruling class, or pawns of the ruling class, and either way , their goals are to farm the people of all their wealth, while doing their best to propagate the illusion of "democratic governance for the people". And it's not enough that they take all the wealth you have at the moment, but no, they need to borrow "for the country" to create a larger pool to syphon off, mortgaging the wealth of future generations.
They no more represent our interests, than any leader of another nation does. The election process is one of division of the peoples, and one in which the majority are duped into taking the responsibility for the actions of the "leader" they voted into power.
If in doubt, ask yourself, how it is that they can be so clever in looking after their own interests, and appear so incompetent when providing for yours? "lest the people will think you're a thief."
Another case in point, ask yourself when the last time you witnessed a leader actually answering a direct question, they never do, all they do is obscure and evade; if they represented you, and really had your interests at heart, they would answer to you.
"The ignorant, are ignorant, of their ignorance!" Peter Baskerville
"Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both" Thomas Jefferson.
"Ultimately, the social engineering aspect of things will backfire on those nations that show themselves indifferent to equal rights of race, women, (as well as gays), and position themselves as anti-education and anti-science. These nations will experience and emigration of the educated, upwardly mobile strata of society. Leaving behind a de facto nation lead by leaders of unquestionable ignorance, morally bankrupt and fearful of their own delusional views of the world. These depraved leaders will be not just their own undoing, but responsible for the creation of a society full of such depravity, of which, only the devil could love" Martin Luther King
"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case, and that, faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all , more stupid." Christopher Hitchens
"Its better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt." Mark Twain
"without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet; also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree, and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link." Mark Twain
"Start in your mind with an ‘empty canvass’ – then sketch, in broad outline, the forms of the men, women and children- especially the children – beautiful alive happy little children. Dip into the unconscious inkwell of your own disowned darkness, and with a WIDE brush – stain these strangers with the sinister hue of the shadow. Now you are getting it! Trace onto the faces of ‘the different’, the greed, hatred, and cruelty – you dare NOT claim as your own. Strip them of all dignity and humanity – ease your collective consciences in knowing that they are nothing more than “Fags” or "Lesbians” or “trans-genders” as they are so cruelly termed by our brave religious and political leaders. Obscure the sweet individuality of each and every face – especially the children! Then erase all hints of the myriad of the loves, hopes, and fears that play through the kaleidoscope of every finite little heart. Twist the smile on every face – especially the children – until it forms the downward arc of cruelty. Strip the flesh from bones until only the abstract skeleton of death remains. However you accomplish this as long as they are reduced to soulless sub-humans – inferior to our precious religious and political culture." Heywood Jablowmi
Could this be the stupidest and most awful man alive, could he be any uglier. Could this be the man that we all wish we could piss on? Jim Cary
First of all anyone who talks about the economy is not really talking about you and I. They, are discussing the business environment of the businesses that matter, i.e. banks & larger private corporations; nobody cares about the little guys. They don't really care if you are working, and they certainly don't care if you make a "good" living.
Should be obvious to everyone that had Baha Mar not spent so much money of a few years, we would have been in this position much sooner. Baha Mar was so large, that it skewed the numbers, but as we know, it didn't help the small guys any.
Food costs and other areas where we really see the inflation, show us clearly that its much more likely that our inflation is in the 10-20% per year. Its easy to see, just look up 1 year old store flyers and compare them to todays, anyone can do that.
Its all a joke, the money is supposed to go uphill, and there is so little left in our pockets that now government and big business are sparing over what they can each get.
Plant a garden and buy some fishing rods if you want to survive.......
Wish these religious fools would stick to believing in their fairy tale garbage in their own little world and stop trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us.
Chucky says...
Civil Disobedience is term without any basis in a just society, as for this term to have meaning and validity it requires that the order of the " government" to have a greater standing than that of the people. Clearly we all know that government has only one real claim of legitimacy, and that is to "serve the people" ! That being said, clearly, one cannot be disobedient of one's own self, therefore, we cannot be considered "civilly disobedient" towards our government, who's legitimacy stems from serving us. But rather; it is the government who must be considered illegitimate, if the people are driven to rise up.
I.e. if a government conducts actions that are not satisfactory to the people, it should be the government that is considered illegitimate by the simple fact that the people needed to rise to oppose those that exist to serve the same people.
On ‘Civil disobedience needs to be directed’
Posted 5 December 2016, 9:27 p.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
Hard to believe so many get caught up in these dogmas, clearly equal rights for men and women is a must.
why not just amend the constitution to say that.
What's going on here is an attempt to use this non issue, to keep people occupied and in the hopes that we get so caught up in this, that we forget everything else. Sadly , it seems to be working.
Hide the ball anyone? Heard of it? This is just a game, and you be the fools.
What about the real issues in society.
On PM: No same-sex marriages in my lifetime
Posted 9 May 2016, 5:12 p.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
“Christian scripture underscores the worth of each individual be they male or female.
Did someone really say that? They must have closed their eyes when they passed the pages that say women are property. Or perhaps they missed Exodus 21.21 where it says you can beat your slaves.
Add a line to the constitution that says " Men and Women are to have equal rights on every issue" problem solved.
Leave the god dogma , delusion out of government, it should be made illegal anyhow!
On Bishop calls for yes vote, slams Dame Joan Sawyer
Posted 7 May 2016, 9:10 a.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
John the problem, ie the sickness of religion lies in its history, and wavering story. The bible says slavery was good, it even says you can beat your slaves as long as they don't die. Exodus 21.21 Women are property, homosexuals should be killed, burn witches for their imaginary crimes.
When it comes to morals, notice, that society has progressed in spite of religion, not because of it. Women now have rights, and can vote, we don't burn witches because we now know they don't really have powers, we don't allow slavery, we don't allow and would now criminally charge parents for burying their children in house foundations to appease the "weather gods" .
If you follow any religious text literally society would be morally bankrupt.
We have made many improvements , due to putting religious dogma aside.
The biggest problem with religion is it is not being honest. To be honest, the religious would have to accept that most of the text was bad / evil. Instead religious people say these are metaphors, yet somehow they used to employ these tactics described in the bible word for word; but now they are just metaphors??? Be honest, admit is was horrible, and admit there are no facts to justify your beliefs. Pray to god if you will, believe in him/her if you choose, but at least be honest and admit what it is.
For society to move ahead, all must be equal, even when different. I don't feel comfortable with a lot of these new "ways of society" , but that doesn't give me the right to treat people badly. And certainly a book of tales, many of which are awful, certainly doesn't give anyone "high moral ground" to stand on and say gays / lesbians / transgenders are bad.
On Miller: Exile transgenders (with audio)
Posted 4 May 2016, 11:33 a.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
John you're a religious nut, can't you wake up and realize religion is a fairytale, it's not true in any way shape or form. You need to grow up and grow out of this!
On Miller: Exile transgenders (with audio)
Posted 3 May 2016, 8:14 p.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
Hey Sheeprunner12, you might feel that these MPs speak for you, however I don't think you will find many who agree.
First of all, one big flaw of the "democracy illusion" is that you elect leaders based on what they say during the "political race". However, when the lies and false pretences of their party platform, the only real bases of which we have to make our voting decision, shine through, we are left helpless with no efficient means to remove these same leaders from power.
So we are duped, or at best, victims of choosing the lesser of evils during the election, only to find out we have some mildly or even horribly psychotic / delusional / ignoramuses at the wheel for the entire term of government.
Perhaps most importantly; not only do they not represent us, or carry out the will of the people, but rather they run amuck, lying cheating and stealing the country and people blind for their full term in office.
The "democracy illusion: is nothing other than a carefully crafted scheme in which the people are tricked into electing members from (in our case) one of two factions of the same political / ideological team, albeit, they operate under different party names; names aside, they're either part of the ruling class, or pawns of the ruling class, and either way , their goals are to farm the people of all their wealth, while doing their best to propagate the illusion of "democratic governance for the people". And it's not enough that they take all the wealth you have at the moment, but no, they need to borrow "for the country" to create a larger pool to syphon off, mortgaging the wealth of future generations.
They no more represent our interests, than any leader of another nation does. The election process is one of division of the peoples, and one in which the majority are duped into taking the responsibility for the actions of the "leader" they voted into power.
If in doubt, ask yourself, how it is that they can be so clever in looking after their own interests, and appear so incompetent when providing for yours? "lest the people will think you're a thief."
Another case in point, ask yourself when the last time you witnessed a leader actually answering a direct question, they never do, all they do is obscure and evade; if they represented you, and really had your interests at heart, they would answer to you.
On Miller: Exile transgenders (with audio)
Posted 3 May 2016, 1:47 p.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
When did ignorance become a point of view?
"The ignorant, are ignorant, of their ignorance!" Peter Baskerville
"Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both" Thomas Jefferson.
"Ultimately, the social engineering aspect of things will backfire on those nations that show themselves indifferent to equal rights of race, women, (as well as gays), and position themselves as anti-education and anti-science. These nations will experience and emigration of the educated, upwardly mobile strata of society. Leaving behind a de facto nation lead by leaders of unquestionable ignorance, morally bankrupt and fearful of their own delusional views of the world. These depraved leaders will be not just their own undoing, but responsible for the creation of a society full of such depravity, of which, only the devil could love" Martin Luther King
"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case, and that, faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all , more stupid." Christopher Hitchens
"Its better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt." Mark Twain
"without doubt the most ignorant person now alive on the planet; also without doubt he is an idiot, an idiot of the 33rd degree, and scion of an ancestral procession of idiots stretching back to the Missing Link." Mark Twain
"Start in your mind with an ‘empty canvass’ – then sketch, in broad outline, the forms of the men, women and children- especially the children – beautiful alive happy little children.
Dip into the unconscious inkwell of your own disowned darkness, and with a WIDE brush – stain these strangers with the sinister hue of the shadow. Now you are getting it!
Trace onto the faces of ‘the different’, the greed, hatred, and cruelty – you dare NOT claim as your own. Strip them of all dignity and humanity – ease your collective consciences in knowing that they are nothing more than “Fags” or "Lesbians” or “trans-genders” as they are so cruelly termed by our brave religious and political leaders.
Obscure the sweet individuality of each and every face – especially the children! Then erase all hints of the myriad of the loves, hopes, and fears that play through the kaleidoscope of every finite little heart.
Twist the smile on every face – especially the children – until it forms the downward arc of cruelty. Strip the flesh from bones until only the abstract skeleton of death remains. However you accomplish this as long as they are reduced to soulless sub-humans – inferior to our precious religious and political culture." Heywood Jablowmi
Could this be the stupidest and most awful man alive, could he be any uglier. Could this be the man that we all wish we could piss on? Jim Cary
On Miller: Exile transgenders (with audio)
Posted 3 May 2016, 12:29 p.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
First of all anyone who talks about the economy is not really talking about you and I. They, are discussing the business environment of the businesses that matter, i.e. banks & larger private corporations; nobody cares about the little guys. They don't really care if you are working, and they certainly don't care if you make a "good" living.
Should be obvious to everyone that had Baha Mar not spent so much money of a few years, we would have been in this position much sooner. Baha Mar was so large, that it skewed the numbers, but as we know, it didn't help the small guys any.
Food costs and other areas where we really see the inflation, show us clearly that its much more likely that our inflation is in the 10-20% per year. Its easy to see, just look up 1 year old store flyers and compare them to todays, anyone can do that.
Its all a joke, the money is supposed to go uphill, and there is so little left in our pockets that now government and big business are sparing over what they can each get.
Plant a garden and buy some fishing rods if you want to survive.......
On GDP data ‘contrary’ to IMF, agency stats
Posted 2 May 2016, 7:52 p.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
Wish these religious fools would stick to believing in their fairy tale garbage in their own little world and stop trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us.
On 'No' vote group to sue for referendum funds
Posted 2 May 2016, 11:38 a.m. Suggest removal
Chucky says...
FNM Leader Dr Hubert Minnis : I challenge you to draft and introduce new "freedom of information" and "anti corruption" legislation.
You claim you will fight corruption; well then introduce a bill now! Prove it!
Let the Bahamian people read the proposed legislation; i.e. publicize it!!!
Then let us see which members vote against it. This will identify the crooks!!!
Any member can introduce legislation!
**I challenge you, Do it, do it now; if you really want to fight this corruption!**
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On Minnis: We will fight corruption
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