You lost me on that one my friend. I am still waiting on you to tell me what do we do now?

@TalRussell, you entirely miss my point. For me the question at hand is not one of who is right or wrong or tit for tat. It is my belief that with respect to this issue an "eye for an eye" would leave both of us blind. Maybe that works for them, but to my thinking this is not in our best interest because our objectives are incompatible to theirs. As activists it is their objective to agitate. Our objectives should be more expansive and should be more noble, even though we are currently not acting like it. We are a sovereign nation that should stand for something positive that makes each Bahamian proud to be a Bahamian. Just because the video may have been staged, should not give us the liberty to act the fool as well. We should be..... we must be bigger than that. In any event, independent direct evidence has now been put forth that makes the video irrelevant. Do we just ignore this new evidence and continue to talk about the video? That is the issue for me, what should we do now? Do we double down with our strategy about how the video was staged, ignoring all other evidence, or should we take steps to get in front of this issue?

@TalRussell, a question for you. Why would these groups discontinue their activities when our govenment continues to insist that nothing happened even in the face of what now appears to be incontrovertible evidence to the contrary from our own law enforcement agencies involved? Are these Cuban activists fully and solely to blame? Is the Tribune or Guardian fully and soley to blame? What is our culpability? The problem with projecting blame is that it often robs us of taking personal responsibility for our circumstances. The question we should be asking now is "What can or should we do to get in front of this issue". Sitting in the corner, sobbing, sulking, blaming and sucking our thumb just won't cut it.

It serves no useful purpose for any Bahamian, FNM or PLP, to gloat about the sorry state of affairs we now find ourselves in, just as it serves no useful purpose for any Bahamian to continue to believe that the entire world is conspiring against us or is out to get us. Our image is our major selling point as a touristic destination and a financial services center. As such we should guard our image with the utmost of care. I don't know what exactly happened at the detention center, but I am convinced something did happen. I am also convinced that our government could not have handled this any worse and it has nothing to do with PLP or FNM or being a traitor. What utter nonsense!

Are you listening to yourself........ Everybody in the entire world is stupid except me....blah, blah, blah. Unconscious incompetence is a fatal flaw my friend, try and pull yourself out of it.

This is news from the Bahamas..... and of the worst sort. This is a story and will continue to be a story until our government gets out in front of this issue. Even the PM has admitted that this has the potential to create significant reputational damage for us yet he has failed to lead to date. Blaming the messengers and silence obviously has not worked as a strategy. We must recoginise that as a small country compared to the forces we are up against we will not be able to control the narrative of this story, especially if we are jiving with the facts. It is time for the adults to step forward in our government.

@Rory, whenever your imaginary threshold of evidence is met don't be afraid to say so!

@TalRussell, the Nassau Guardian is carrying the very same story on its front page with even more sordid details, so its not just the Tribune. Always remember that, "truth crushed earth will always rise again". It appears that you and this government seem not to understand crisis management 101, which states that you should never stake out an initial position that is incompatible with your ability to build a golden bridge of compromise to new contradictory information. What is our move now? Do we double down further as the ship continues to sink? Where are the adults in our government. If we thought that this issue was just going to go away we are wrong. The PM needs to stand up and pivot this issue to contain the fall-out already inflicted and re-position us to move forward and restore some credibility. It is obvious that Fred Mitchell lacks the credibility to do so.

So by your logic we should continue to deny that anything happened because as you state "there is no evidence (yet)". And you are comfortable holding this position, even with all the information already in the public domain, and yet continue to call everyone else dummies, scumbags and clowns, go figure. By the way you should look into your need to belittle others, it may give you some insight into yourself. Additionally as I have mentioned to you before, calling people names, exaggeration and generalization are very poor debate tricks usually used by persons who are inept at debating the facts.

The government has now admitted that the detainees were beaten. Their position now is that they were not beaten by the "Bahamas Government". What utter nonsense as if the Bahamas government has hands.