This is not just about the money. This is about the grade 12 students overall bad attitude and poor behaviour, which has been less than dignified over the final year; those videos were the last straw. It is simplistic to say that the good are being punished for the bad; those supposed innocent students knew everything that was going to happen, did nothing to stop any of it, and then covered it up by refusing to tell who did what by saying "I ain't no snitch".
Remember, the worst ones aren't the ones who commit the acts, they're the ones who stand by and let it happen. If they knew about it, and say nothing, they're just as guilty. When the majority of these grade 12 students skipped school one day, no one could tell me that those who came to school were clueless and didn't know what was going on; or when they set their phones to go off, it was just the people concerned who did it, and no one else in the grade knew what was going to happen, right?
All the school has to prove is that students took part in, or had knowledge of the various acts committed. Any grade 12 student who was absent on that day that had the sick-out; participated, or was in the video; the setting of phones to go off in mass; the bullying and intimidation of others over food should be dealt with including those student leaders who should still be stripped of their positions of authority. The head boy and girl, and all prefects should have lost their positions for their involvement and/or knowledge of the actions that took place.
From my understanding, this was a grade that was extremely rude, showed gross insubordination to, and had a general lack of respect for teachers. It seems that at the end they started to believe they were bigger and better than what they were. This decisive action was needed to bring them back to earth, and to show them that there are consequences for their actions.
It is easy to blame the teachers because the assumption is that they are the ones to instill the values and attitudes in these students. With all due respect, the parents are the ones to do that; the teachers and the school can only try and reinforce positive values and attitudes. These students are representative of their own parents behaviours, attitudes and values.
This problem falls directly onto the heads of this lacklustre and impotent administration; the principal, the v.p. the senior mistress, senior master and the priest. It is a travesty that not one of these so-called leaders will be sanctioned for the mess they helped to bring about through the non support of teachers in the discipline of students. Most of these students have been in a system where there have been little or no consequences for their actions throughout their time there, and felt entitled to everything no matter what they did. The school, and by extension the ACEA, is now reaping what it has sown.
1. Which ones of the graduating class stood up and said "No, don't do it!"? Someone from the graduation class needed to speak up and against this vulgarity. There had to be a few good students with character and integrity who could have pleaded with someone, either peer or staff for this not to happen. Head boy, head girl, student council president where were you? If you are a student leader, lead your peers from the front with decorum and integrity. Those students in positions of authority, you let the fools hijack and usurp your position to show you are a irresponsible graduating class! You all stood by and let it happen!
2. Where was the admin (principal, v.p, senior master, senior mistress, the priest) while all of this was going on? In fact, where were they period during when all of these dances were going on? There were many many many opportunities over the many many many years and different administrations to challenge this vulgarity, including the choice of not having a selector play certain types of music, or not to have a dance at all, but no one in power bothered to do a thing. It would be a travesty of justice and be hypocritical of the ACEA, if these students who are being kept from graduating, but those in power at SJC, who approved this fiasco, and everything else that has gone on, keep their jobs. They sat back and let the "inmates run the prison" so to speak. Heads at SJC need to roll.
3. Who was driving the school bus whilst it was bouncing up and down on the road? Was that reported?
4. Which parent of one of these students will agree publicly that what was done was wrong, and that the Bishop has a right to be angry, and for what it's worth, his position to cancel everything has merit?
5. Which parent knew that these things were going on for years, but said nothing, and did nothing to stop this from happening? If you are not part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem.
For the sake of the almighty dollar the leadership of the school has sold not only their souls, but all of the souls of the students of SJC to the devil. When one has sowed the wind, one will reap the whirlwind. For all of that I wish SJC and the ACEA the very best.
The students who agreed to take part in this should be ashamed of themselves. They have jeopardized the entire graduation process for the others. The good now have to suffer for their dirty, nasty, disgusting behaviour. Whichever knuckleheaded grade12 students and members of admin decided this was a good idea, really has a serious lack of judgement. They have brought shame and indignity on their school. This is not just the students fault; admin and parents need to take their share of the blame too.
All students signed a two contracts (once in grade 11 another in grade 12) to say that their academic and conduct would be acceptable to the Anglican ethos. It is now obvious that those involved in this stupidity (students and admin), don't understand what anglican/christian conduct is supposed to entail. Many of these students and adults supposedly sat, participated and led Mass every week for twelve years taking in Anglican/Christian principles, as well as going to church, on weekends.
Now if the senior students didn't know by last week that certain music and types of dancing was not christian during those years, and still can't figure it out, then either they weren't listening properly, or the school,or their parents weren't doing their job. It doesn't matter if they saw others doing it, still doesn't make it right, and all students had a chance to make a decision to say "No, I'm not doing that because it goes against the principles that my parents and my school has instilled in me.".
From my understanding of what happens on campus, dances are held in the same place where mass is done, and various administrations and priests continued to turn a blind eye to what was going on in these dances. SJC Students would tell you they want lights off and don't like adults at these dances. A good rule of thumb is, if it is a dance that someone would be embarrassed to do in front of parents, grandparents, in church in front of their minister, or where the lights need to be off, then it's wrong to do. Period.
The easiest thing to do is to blame someone else for the problems in this country. In this case it is the spectre of not full bred foreigners, but the evil half-breed who has mixed with the "true true" Bahamian. Thankfully we have the peace loving Bahamian genes to try and combat those evil genes from the south. Maybe there needs to be public service announcements made so that "true true" Bahamians can avoid those foreigners from neighbouring countries to avoid creating the evil spawn that is wreaking havoc on The Bahamas today!
The mere suggestion of foreigners ruining this country is simplistic and naive at best and xenophobic and destructive at worst because there is not one shred of evidence for this disturbingly ignorant theory. This kind of BS only stirs up contention and adds nothing valuable to the conversation. Remember "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought wise than to open it and be considered a fool." You might want to keep that in mind before you get your foot wedged in your mouth again.
Well SP, the problem is that if the interview is 7am, and if someone really wants the job, they'll be there, and jolly well be there on time. It looks as if the actual interview is at the man's house and if its at his house, then it's his prerogative to schedule an interview whenever he can to size up the prospective employee, and if that's the time he can fit someone in, then so be it. To say that he scheduled it early deliberately to keep Bahamians out of the job speaks volumes about the Bahamian work ethic...just sayin...
His comment about there being no Jamaicans housekeepers in Jamaican homes is absolute BS. As an educated man he should know better, but then again as a lawyer/politician...
The worst of Bahamians really was on display yesterday. To go out and march is fine, but when you march against international interests that are here, and those foreign workers that are here, it speaks to xenophobia and ultra-nationalism. Marching every 30 days isn't going to change anything, it won't drop jobs and opportunities into our laps. If we want jobs and opportunities for ourselves and for our children, then we make sure we get educated and trained properly, whether it is here, or overseas, and get qualified for the jobs here. Which we haven't done.
When we point fingers and scapegoat others for our problems, it means we aren't really looking at ourselves. This country, for years, has had an education system that is probably is one of the worst in the region. How do you expect for our children to be successful when they don't even have a proper education. When some of these kids leave school they can't read read, write or comprehend at the proper level. They don't know how to do simple mathematics, and their attitude is poor. Who is going to employ someone like that?
There's no point pointing at the foreigners and blaming them. They have their education and expertise. What do we have? They only took the job because YOU and YOU and YOU didn't want to do what needed to be done to get the job. When we kick out the foreigner, they will take their education and their experience elsewhere, which is the point of the march in the end, isn't it? Let's stop playing the victim here; foreigners aren't oppressing or discriminating against Bahamians, it's us. We are the ones who are our own worst enemy and we are the ones who are still trapped in mental slavery. Until we learn that lesson, we will always be wondering how and why we got here.
When did the Jamaicans ever revolt on a scale of the Haitian revolution? They had a couple of rebellions, which were put down quickly, but never had a revolution. I think you're being grossly unfair on both Haitians and Jamaicans whom you characterize as "violent". The Jamaicans that I know here are hard working and law abiding people. Unless you have proof that both sets of people are the minorities creating the majority of the violence in the country, then you need to live by the old adage "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be considered wise, than to open it and be considered a FOOL"
So we remove all of the foreigners, and then what? My concern is that we are going to have understudies eventually for workers who have had years of education, training and experience, who lack both education, and the know how.
If I am a foreigner and have studied for and have say for the sake of an argument a Masters in Computer Systems Networking and Telecommunications, and I have the education and experience that no one else has, you really expect that I should have (and presumably train) an understudy who should have my wealth of knowledge and experience in those two years of being an understudy when I have 4-7 years of education and 3+ years of experience?
What about the trained professionals already in the country, such as those in the education, medical, and other technical fields that require years of not only education, but training and know how to be competent in their fields, are they to give way as well to those under-qualified simply because they're "entitled"?
I don't know what fantasy world Fred Mitchell and Shane Gibson are living in, but business in the real world doesn't and has never worked in way they want it to here because entitlement doesn't exist in the realm of business. It's about which person can do the best job. It's a tough lesson to learn, but if you want a job, you have to earn it like everybody else on the planet; through education and a good work ethic, not have it handed to you on a silver platter because you're told you're entitled to it as a local.
I'm quite sure if you live in any first world country, and apply for work, you would feel comfortable knowing the employer takes whoever is the best person for the job because good employers understand "entitlement" for locals doesn't cut it and doesn't necessarily create a stronger or better workforce. This shouldn't be about giving away jobs to Bahamians for the sake of jobs, it should be making sure the workforce is educated enough to do the work efficiently.
Finally, can anyone name one country apart from this country, that is purposely and systematically removing foreigners (both skilled and unskilled) so locals can feel entitled to work whether they are qualified or not? I can't either. Eventually this isolationist policy being pursued by the PLP will do more harm than good and will end in disaster.
We are officially in an age of where honesty and principles have taken a back seat to "win at all costs". We are teaching our young people that you have to lie about everything, and take what you can, while you can, to get ahead. We are also teaching them that there are no consequences for their actions because it serves a "higher purpose".
My question for the BAAA's is this - If he is found guilty, will you stand behind him, or will you keep your silence again because he's already served his purpose? When the BAAA's says nothing, it is not protecting this athlete, or the reputation of the association. In the long run allowing him to compete may do more harm than good.
Whilst the FSU have taken the high road and banned the both athletes until everything is sorted out, the BAAA's has kept its silence because it lacks the moral fortitude and integrity to do the right thing. You can bet your bottom dollar that the other athlete isn't going to be seen competing for his country any time soon.
Can anyone name a sport where you are suspended from competing at a national level, but are allowed to compete at a higher international level? I can’t either. I’d also like to believe that if another country were to be in the same position with one of its key athletes, and were to compete against the Bahamas, I’m quite sure we’d call foul, wouldn’t we?
blueothello says...
This is not just about the money. This is about the grade 12 students overall bad attitude and poor behaviour, which has been less than dignified over the final year; those videos were the last straw. It is simplistic to say that the good are being punished for the bad; those supposed innocent students knew everything that was going to happen, did nothing to stop any of it, and then covered it up by refusing to tell who did what by saying "I ain't no snitch".
Remember, the worst ones aren't the ones who commit the acts, they're the ones who stand by and let it happen. If they knew about it, and say nothing, they're just as guilty. When the majority of these grade 12 students skipped school one day, no one could tell me that those who came to school were clueless and didn't know what was going on; or when they set their phones to go off, it was just the people concerned who did it, and no one else in the grade knew what was going to happen, right?
All the school has to prove is that students took part in, or had knowledge of the various acts committed. Any grade 12 student who was absent on that day that had the sick-out; participated, or was in the video; the setting of phones to go off in mass; the bullying and intimidation of others over food should be dealt with including those student leaders who should still be stripped of their positions of authority. The head boy and girl, and all prefects should have lost their positions for their involvement and/or knowledge of the actions that took place.
From my understanding, this was a grade that was extremely rude, showed gross insubordination to, and had a general lack of respect for teachers. It seems that at the end they started to believe they were bigger and better than what they were. This decisive action was needed to bring them back to earth, and to show them that there are consequences for their actions.
It is easy to blame the teachers because the assumption is that they are the ones to instill the values and attitudes in these students. With all due respect, the parents are the ones to do that; the teachers and the school can only try and reinforce positive values and attitudes. These students are representative of their own parents behaviours, attitudes and values.
This problem falls directly onto the heads of this lacklustre and impotent administration; the principal, the v.p. the senior mistress, senior master and the priest. It is a travesty that not one of these so-called leaders will be sanctioned for the mess they helped to bring about through the non support of teachers in the discipline of students. Most of these students have been in a system where there have been little or no consequences for their actions throughout their time there, and felt entitled to everything no matter what they did. The school, and by extension the ACEA, is now reaping what it has sown.
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blueothello says...
The questions that need to be asked are
1. Which ones of the graduating class stood up and said "No, don't do it!"? Someone from the graduation class needed to speak up and against this vulgarity. There had to be a few good students with character and integrity who could have pleaded with someone, either peer or staff for this not to happen. Head boy, head girl, student council president where were you? If you are a student leader, lead your peers from the front with decorum and integrity. Those students in positions of authority, you let the fools hijack and usurp your position to show you are a irresponsible graduating class! You all stood by and let it happen!
2. Where was the admin (principal, v.p, senior master, senior mistress, the priest) while all of this was going on? In fact, where were they period during when all of these dances were going on? There were many many many opportunities over the many many many years and different administrations to challenge this vulgarity, including the choice of not having a selector play certain types of music, or not to have a dance at all, but no one in power bothered to do a thing. It would be a travesty of justice and be hypocritical of the ACEA, if these students who are being kept from graduating, but those in power at SJC, who approved this fiasco, and everything else that has gone on, keep their jobs. They sat back and let the "inmates run the prison" so to speak. Heads at SJC need to roll.
3. Who was driving the school bus whilst it was bouncing up and down on the road? Was that reported?
4. Which parent of one of these students will agree publicly that what was done was wrong, and that the Bishop has a right to be angry, and for what it's worth, his position to cancel everything has merit?
5. Which parent knew that these things were going on for years, but said nothing, and did nothing to stop this from happening? If you are not part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem.
For the sake of the almighty dollar the leadership of the school has sold not only their souls, but all of the souls of the students of SJC to the devil. When one has sowed the wind, one will reap the whirlwind. For all of that I wish SJC and the ACEA the very best.
On Uproar over decision to cancel graduation
Posted 17 June 2013, 5:24 p.m. Suggest removal
blueothello says...
The students who agreed to take part in this should be ashamed of themselves. They have jeopardized the entire graduation process for the others. The good now have to suffer for their dirty, nasty, disgusting behaviour. Whichever knuckleheaded grade12 students and members of admin decided this was a good idea, really has a serious lack of judgement. They have brought shame and indignity on their school. This is not just the students fault; admin and parents need to take their share of the blame too.
All students signed a two contracts (once in grade 11 another in grade 12) to say that their academic and conduct would be acceptable to the Anglican ethos. It is now obvious that those involved in this stupidity (students and admin), don't understand what anglican/christian conduct is supposed to entail. Many of these students and adults supposedly sat, participated and led Mass every week for twelve years taking in Anglican/Christian principles, as well as going to church, on weekends.
Now if the senior students didn't know by last week that certain music and types of dancing was not christian during those years, and still can't figure it out, then either they weren't listening properly, or the school,or their parents weren't doing their job. It doesn't matter if they saw others doing it, still doesn't make it right, and all students had a chance to make a decision to say "No, I'm not doing that because it goes against the principles that my parents and my school has instilled in me.".
From my understanding of what happens on campus, dances are held in the same place where mass is done, and various administrations and priests continued to turn a blind eye to what was going on in these dances. SJC Students would tell you they want lights off and don't like adults at these dances. A good rule of thumb is, if it is a dance that someone would be embarrassed to do in front of parents, grandparents, in church in front of their minister, or where the lights need to be off, then it's wrong to do. Period.
On Uproar over decision to cancel graduation
Posted 17 June 2013, 5:23 p.m. Suggest removal
blueothello says...
The easiest thing to do is to blame someone else for the problems in this country. In this case it is the spectre of not full bred foreigners, but the evil half-breed who has mixed with the "true true" Bahamian. Thankfully we have the peace loving Bahamian genes to try and combat those evil genes from the south. Maybe there needs to be public service announcements made so that "true true" Bahamians can avoid those foreigners from neighbouring countries to avoid creating the evil spawn that is wreaking havoc on The Bahamas today!
The mere suggestion of foreigners ruining this country is simplistic and naive at best and xenophobic and destructive at worst because there is not one shred of evidence for this disturbingly ignorant theory. This kind of BS only stirs up contention and adds nothing valuable to the conversation. Remember "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought wise than to open it and be considered a fool." You might want to keep that in mind before you get your foot wedged in your mouth again.
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blueothello says...
Well SP, the problem is that if the interview is 7am, and if someone really wants the job, they'll be there, and jolly well be there on time. It looks as if the actual interview is at the man's house and if its at his house, then it's his prerogative to schedule an interview whenever he can to size up the prospective employee, and if that's the time he can fit someone in, then so be it. To say that he scheduled it early deliberately to keep Bahamians out of the job speaks volumes about the Bahamian work ethic...just sayin...
His comment about there being no Jamaicans housekeepers in Jamaican homes is absolute BS. As an educated man he should know better, but then again as a lawyer/politician...
On Bran: Immigration policy is completely misguided
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blueothello says...
The worst of Bahamians really was on display yesterday. To go out and march is fine, but when you march against international interests that are here, and those foreign workers that are here, it speaks to xenophobia and ultra-nationalism. Marching every 30 days isn't going to change anything, it won't drop jobs and opportunities into our laps. If we want jobs and opportunities for ourselves and for our children, then we make sure we get educated and trained properly, whether it is here, or overseas, and get qualified for the jobs here. Which we haven't done.
When we point fingers and scapegoat others for our problems, it means we aren't really looking at ourselves. This country, for years, has had an education system that is probably is one of the worst in the region. How do you expect for our children to be successful when they don't even have a proper education. When some of these kids leave school they can't read read, write or comprehend at the proper level. They don't know how to do simple mathematics, and their attitude is poor. Who is going to employ someone like that?
There's no point pointing at the foreigners and blaming them. They have their education and expertise. What do we have? They only took the job because YOU and YOU and YOU didn't want to do what needed to be done to get the job. When we kick out the foreigner, they will take their education and their experience elsewhere, which is the point of the march in the end, isn't it? Let's stop playing the victim here; foreigners aren't oppressing or discriminating against Bahamians, it's us. We are the ones who are our own worst enemy and we are the ones who are still trapped in mental slavery. Until we learn that lesson, we will always be wondering how and why we got here.
On Bahamians march on parliament
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blueothello says...
When did the Jamaicans ever revolt on a scale of the Haitian revolution? They had a couple of rebellions, which were put down quickly, but never had a revolution. I think you're being grossly unfair on both Haitians and Jamaicans whom you characterize as "violent". The Jamaicans that I know here are hard working and law abiding people. Unless you have proof that both sets of people are the minorities creating the majority of the violence in the country, then you need to live by the old adage "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be considered wise, than to open it and be considered a FOOL"
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blueothello says...
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On Mitchell: No more industry work permits without labour certificates
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blueothello says...
So we remove all of the foreigners, and then what? My concern is that we are going to have understudies eventually for workers who have had years of education, training and experience, who lack both education, and the know how.
If I am a foreigner and have studied for and have say for the sake of an argument a Masters in Computer Systems Networking and Telecommunications, and I have the education and experience that no one else has, you really expect that I should have (and presumably train) an understudy who should have my wealth of knowledge and experience in those two years of being an understudy when I have 4-7 years of education and 3+ years of experience?
What about the trained professionals already in the country, such as those in the education, medical, and other technical fields that require years of not only education, but training and know how to be competent in their fields, are they to give way as well to those under-qualified simply because they're "entitled"?
I don't know what fantasy world Fred Mitchell and Shane Gibson are living in, but business in the real world doesn't and has never worked in way they want it to here because entitlement doesn't exist in the realm of business. It's about which person can do the best job. It's a tough lesson to learn, but if you want a job, you have to earn it like everybody else on the planet; through education and a good work ethic, not have it handed to you on a silver platter because you're told you're entitled to it as a local.
I'm quite sure if you live in any first world country, and apply for work, you would feel comfortable knowing the employer takes whoever is the best person for the job because good employers understand "entitlement" for locals doesn't cut it and doesn't necessarily create a stronger or better workforce. This shouldn't be about giving away jobs to Bahamians for the sake of jobs, it should be making sure the workforce is educated enough to do the work efficiently.
Finally, can anyone name one country apart from this country, that is purposely and systematically removing foreigners (both skilled and unskilled) so locals can feel entitled to work whether they are qualified or not? I can't either. Eventually this isolationist policy being pursued by the PLP will do more harm than good and will end in disaster.
On Mitchell: No more industry work permits without labour certificates
Posted 17 April 2013, 2:18 p.m. Suggest removal
blueothello says...
We are officially in an age of where honesty and principles have taken a back seat to
"win at all costs". We are teaching our young people that you have to lie about everything, and take what you can, while you can, to get ahead. We are also teaching them that there are no consequences for their actions because it serves a "higher purpose".
My question for the BAAA's is this - If he is found guilty, will you stand behind him, or will you keep your silence again because he's already served his purpose? When the BAAA's says nothing, it is not protecting this athlete, or the reputation of the association. In the long run allowing him to compete may do more harm than good.
Whilst the FSU have taken the high road and banned the both athletes until everything is sorted out, the BAAA's has kept its silence because it lacks the moral fortitude and integrity to do the right thing. You can bet your bottom dollar that the other athlete isn't going to be seen competing for his country any time soon.
Can anyone name a sport where you are suspended from competing at a national level, but are allowed to compete at a higher international level? I can’t either. I’d also like to believe that if another country were to be in the same position with one of its key athletes, and were to compete against the Bahamas, I’m quite sure we’d call foul, wouldn’t we?
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