Mudda, as someone (you) who once had - maybe still do have - political ambitions, I strongly suggest that if you want to continue in politics that you surround yourself with a good economist. What you are proposing here (reducing civil service during a pandemic) is so contrary to hundreds of years of documented academic research. It is like suggesting that the earth is flat...no hyperbole. If you cut or reduce the civil service salaries, you will plummet your country into the dark ages. Crime, devaluation of dollar, hyper inflation (if we are lucky!) would all result. It appears that you are trying to be "political" and not "economic". Don't go down that road, my friend. Now, before you retort with a smart ass, "I know everything answer", I suggest you do some quick research to see if what I am saying is accurate. Then, happy to engage in a civil discourse.
There is nothing well or said about this. And, quoting Mudda on financial or economic matters is not the best strategy. You cannot "cut" civil service salaries. It will exacerbate the destruction of our economy and will, without questions, plummet us into a level that we do not want to be. This is very much basic economics 101...it really is. It is amazing that people actually think this, worse that people actually think this is a good idea.
Except, Bcitizen, we who want to quarantine could be affected by you, who have the absurd idea that quarantining is a bad thing. So it is not a matter of personal responsibility.
So your solution is to lay off civil servant staff, who will then be on the unemployment/NIB line in any event? You do realize that the money comes from the same place, right (consolidated fund - yes, I am aware that NIB is supposed to be separate)? Never understand this argument to lay off civil service staff. It does not solve the issue. Economics 101. I do agree that certain highly paid PEP civil servants (ahem, cough cough Marlon Johnson) should take a cut. But the rank and file civil servant...stop it!)
Not sure this is accurate, Francis. In fact, Dr. Dahl-Regis, for whatever stock you hold in her competence (I don't know her, either personally or professionally) has not equivocally stated that the curve has flattened. Yes, there was a decrease, but I respectfully remind that there have been decreased in New York, Italy and Louisiana and, though it bodes well, none of the leaders in those cities/countries have sought it fit to open up businesses. Again, not trying to get in an argument, just pointing out what has transpired in other places. I think the move to open businesses here in The Bahamas is pre-mature, at best, ignorance and hubris, at worst.
So, I am not playing politics. Don't care much for your Brave, or Minnis for that matter. But, Brave is right in this instance and I suspect that it is you, moncur, who is playing politics. Here is where I agree (and before you call me all manner of names, please answer me). Brave says 1) There is no overall government strategy articulated to deal with what is happening. This is true, in my view...if there is a strategy, please direct me to it and I will apologetically and humbly apologize for my ignorance. Brave says 2) What is the difference in opening stores now as opposed to during the Easter break? Again, this is a fair question. If we were on lockdown to "flatten the curve" and if by Dr. Dahl-Regis' own admission (as of Monday April 20 at 4:30pm) that the curve is "not yet flattened", then why are we re-opening businesses? Again, not politics, not a Brave or PLP supporter, but these are fair questions I believe.
tetelestai says...
Mudda, as someone (you) who once had - maybe still do have - political ambitions, I strongly suggest that if you want to continue in politics that you surround yourself with a good economist. What you are proposing here (reducing civil service during a pandemic) is so contrary to hundreds of years of documented academic research. It is like suggesting that the earth is flat...no hyperbole. If you cut or reduce the civil service salaries, you will plummet your country into the dark ages. Crime, devaluation of dollar, hyper inflation (if we are lucky!) would all result. It appears that you are trying to be "political" and not "economic". Don't go down that road, my friend. Now, before you retort with a smart ass, "I know everything answer", I suggest you do some quick research to see if what I am saying is accurate. Then, happy to engage in a civil discourse.
On Govt ‘taking from Peter to pay Paul’
Posted 24 April 2020, 11:27 a.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
There is nothing well or said about this. And, quoting Mudda on financial or economic matters is not the best strategy. You cannot "cut" civil service salaries. It will exacerbate the destruction of our economy and will, without questions, plummet us into a level that we do not want to be. This is very much basic economics 101...it really is. It is amazing that people actually think this, worse that people actually think this is a good idea.
On Govt ‘taking from Peter to pay Paul’
Posted 24 April 2020, 11:23 a.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
Except, Bcitizen, we who want to quarantine could be affected by you, who have the absurd idea that quarantining is a bad thing. So it is not a matter of personal responsibility.
On Opening up will be slow
Posted 22 April 2020, 12:11 a.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
You are partly correct, as I dont live in The Bahamas, but I am certain my background is not too different than yours.
On ‘What’s the basis for easing up?’
Posted 21 April 2020, 7:24 p.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
On this, we agree, Mudda.
On ‘What’s the basis for easing up?’
Posted 21 April 2020, 7:20 p.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
So your solution is to lay off civil servant staff, who will then be on the unemployment/NIB line in any event? You do realize that the money comes from the same place, right (consolidated fund - yes, I am aware that NIB is supposed to be separate)? Never understand this argument to lay off civil service staff. It does not solve the issue. Economics 101.
I do agree that certain highly paid PEP civil servants (ahem, cough cough Marlon Johnson) should take a cut. But the rank and file civil servant...stop it!)
On PM condemns wealthy owners who rushed to lay off staff : Where’s your heart ... your compassion ... your soul?
Posted 21 April 2020, 4:11 p.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
Brent, is that you?
On PM condemns wealthy owners who rushed to lay off staff : Where’s your heart ... your compassion ... your soul?
Posted 21 April 2020, 4:07 p.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
Agreed! Though, as far as I can remember, groups were always given an "honorarium" by the government.
On Junkanoo facing major scale backs
Posted 21 April 2020, 4:04 p.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
Not sure this is accurate, Francis. In fact, Dr. Dahl-Regis, for whatever stock you hold in her competence (I don't know her, either personally or professionally) has not equivocally stated that the curve has flattened. Yes, there was a decrease, but I respectfully remind that there have been decreased in New York, Italy and Louisiana and, though it bodes well, none of the leaders in those cities/countries have sought it fit to open up businesses. Again, not trying to get in an argument, just pointing out what has transpired in other places. I think the move to open businesses here in The Bahamas is pre-mature, at best, ignorance and hubris, at worst.
On ‘What’s the basis for easing up?’
Posted 21 April 2020, 4:02 p.m. Suggest removal
tetelestai says...
So, I am not playing politics. Don't care much for your Brave, or Minnis for that matter. But, Brave is right in this instance and I suspect that it is you, moncur, who is playing politics. Here is where I agree (and before you call me all manner of names, please answer me). Brave says 1) There is no overall government strategy articulated to deal with what is happening. This is true, in my view...if there is a strategy, please direct me to it and I will apologetically and humbly apologize for my ignorance. Brave says 2) What is the difference in opening stores now as opposed to during the Easter break? Again, this is a fair question. If we were on lockdown to "flatten the curve" and if by Dr. Dahl-Regis' own admission (as of Monday April 20 at 4:30pm) that the curve is "not yet flattened", then why are we re-opening businesses? Again, not politics, not a Brave or PLP supporter, but these are fair questions I believe.
On ‘What’s the basis for easing up?’
Posted 21 April 2020, 3:58 p.m. Suggest removal