@Roslepi this such an idiotic comment...I can't even..you do understand that COVID is less dangerous then practically everything else that might be a risk to a child (unless that child is immune compromised)...? You do understand that the covid vaccination protection basically fades to nothing in matter of months against delta and to nothing in a matter of weeks against omicron and the long term impact on children from vaccination is completely unexplored, but there continues to be a considerable under presented risk of myocarditis associated with vaccination particularly in young boys...?
Sorry but thats total horse manure...covid's impact on kids is less than the flu, drownings, motor vehicles and firearms. Even in this country more kids have sadly been killed by gun violence than of covid. Children need to be in school end of story. Move on.
The purpose of testing now is ultimately early treatment. If you are immune compromised or have underlying conditions or are elderly if you are exposed or symptomatic an early diagnostic is potentially a life saver.
If you are young healthy, mild symptoms, testing is a waste of resources. Just do you what you did in the old days. Go home take some Tylenol.
Cases don’t matter, omicron makes them irrelevant we have got to move from national medical protocols to personal health decisions. encouragement not coercion. Otherwise the insanity and over reach of governments will not end..
I do agree border activity plays a pivotable part but cruise outbreaks not so much that been have small and contained. It's definitely more broader travel winter vacationers and returning residents that play the part in the spikes via airlifts, and testing loopholes. Caseloads are irrelevant it’s a product of testing - the mortality rate was worse in fall 21 because of the vaccination program compounded the problem in July/august (remember when we didn't test vaccinated people and told them it’s was pandemic of the unvaccinated) and made worse by 1.5 years restrictive travel and scaremongering that kept our elderly away from health care.
I think we re saying thing - but you originally only chalked it up to home porting - which i believe is a fallacy. Tourists in general along with travelling Bahamians have brought it in various variants. July peaks have more to do Bahamian travel + vaccination crowding and winter/Christmas peaks more to do with winter birds flying south.
We both agree on border activity is a catalyst and I detest the concept of home-porting but for different reasons however you have very little to support the notion that those particular tourists are the catalyst and not the 1000s that travel in the out islands or that the Bahamians travelling to the USA could not still pickup the virus and bring it back...Do you remember that a PCR test was valid for 5 days as far as The Bahamas was concerned so you could get a test here go to the USA for for 3 days and then get back in without testing.. Essentially the same loop hole that existed the previous July...
Furthermore take eleuthera or Abaco which was not on the homeport cruise itinerary - the bulk of their spike came from Miami/Fort Lauderdale travel in July and August (whether that was due to visitors or Bahamian travellers is uncertain). Cruise travellers are also tested at higher frequency then other visitors which is where your theory doesn't hold water...I'm afraid...there are just simply too many other vectors...
Again by looking at the small window of time really you cannot possibly extrapolate that burden of COVID deaths...why was this fall such a higher burden? I would posture that that lies on the laurels of bad policy for 1.5 years...
1. For 18 months most of the elderly in our nation have not had access to basic health care - so many have had fallen behind on prescriptions, diagnostics and routine check ups. Ultimately bringing them closer to death..
2. A vaccination program was relaunched aggressively in June through August for 1st and 2nd shots - it interesting to note that case counts closely mirror vaccination rates which may suggest that the program in itself may have been series of super spreader events.
The combination of these two events with new variants and border porosity likely explains the increase in death in the 21 fall period (not home-porting as much as I'd like to blame the cruise ships) which also probably over-presents the annual burden of COVID...which is why working with a mortality average is probably more informative (but still likely overstates the reality given the 'of' versus 'with' codification issue).. At 22 months into the pandemic..and 700 deaths we're averaging about 30 a month or 360 per year give or take and I would wager this still a strong exaggeration of COVIDs true burden...
whogothere says...
@Roslepi this such an idiotic comment...I can't even..you do understand that COVID is less dangerous then practically everything else that might be a risk to a child (unless that child is immune compromised)...? You do understand that the covid vaccination protection basically fades to nothing in matter of months against delta and to nothing in a matter of weeks against omicron and the long term impact on children from vaccination is completely unexplored, but there continues to be a considerable under presented risk of myocarditis associated with vaccination particularly in young boys...?
On Brave - don’t take risks, get the jab
Posted 11 January 2022, 12:57 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Sorry but thats total horse manure...covid's impact on kids is less than the flu, drownings, motor vehicles and firearms. Even in this country more kids have sadly been killed by gun violence than of covid. Children need to be in school end of story. Move on.
On Reopening schools remains on course
Posted 11 January 2022, 12:28 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
9 in icu out 3k-4k cases...no deaths?
On 291 new cases of COVID-19 on Saturday
Posted 10 January 2022, 10:26 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
7 in intensive care out of nearly 3-4k cases in the last 2-3 weeks...
No deaths... wait two weeks?
Then can we we drop this charade..
On 818 new cases of COVID-19
Posted 10 January 2022, 10:24 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Yep...but without deaths it's pointless...watch them dig up a dozen from 2 months ago..
On 818 new cases of COVID-19
Posted 9 January 2022, 7:23 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
The purpose of testing now is ultimately early treatment. If you are immune compromised or have underlying conditions or are elderly if you are exposed or symptomatic an early diagnostic is potentially a life saver.
If you are young healthy, mild symptoms, testing is a waste of resources. Just do you what you did in the old days. Go home take some Tylenol.
Cases don’t matter, omicron makes them irrelevant we have got to move from national medical protocols to personal health decisions. encouragement not coercion. Otherwise the insanity and over reach of governments will not end..
On 818 new cases of COVID-19
Posted 9 January 2022, 5:22 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
I do agree border activity plays a pivotable part but cruise outbreaks not so much that been have small and contained. It's definitely more broader travel winter vacationers and returning residents that play the part in the spikes via airlifts, and testing loopholes. Caseloads are irrelevant it’s a product of testing - the mortality rate was worse in fall 21 because of the vaccination program compounded the problem in July/august (remember when we didn't test vaccinated people and told them it’s was pandemic of the unvaccinated) and made worse by 1.5 years restrictive travel and scaremongering that kept our elderly away from health care.
On 388 new cases of COVID-19
Posted 8 January 2022, 9:24 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
I think we re saying thing - but you originally only chalked it up to home porting - which i believe is a fallacy. Tourists in general along with travelling Bahamians have brought it in various variants. July peaks have more to do Bahamian travel + vaccination crowding and winter/Christmas peaks more to do with winter birds flying south.
On 388 new cases of COVID-19
Posted 8 January 2022, 9:04 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
“ Vaccine effectiveness against Omicron was 37% (95%CI, 19-50%) 7 days after receiving an mRNA vaccine for the third dose”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101…
On Adjusted guidelines for those testing positive or exposed to COVID-19
Posted 8 January 2022, 8:51 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
We both agree on border activity is a catalyst and I detest the concept of home-porting but for different reasons however you have very little to support the notion that those particular tourists are the catalyst and not the 1000s that travel in the out islands or that the Bahamians travelling to the USA could not still pickup the virus and bring it back...Do you remember that a PCR test was valid for 5 days as far as The Bahamas was concerned so you could get a test here go to the USA for for 3 days and then get back in without testing.. Essentially the same loop hole that existed the previous July...
Furthermore take eleuthera or Abaco which was not on the homeport cruise itinerary - the bulk of their spike came from Miami/Fort Lauderdale travel in July and August (whether that was due to visitors or Bahamian travellers is uncertain). Cruise travellers are also tested at higher frequency then other visitors which is where your theory doesn't hold water...I'm afraid...there are just simply too many other vectors...
Again by looking at the small window of time really you cannot possibly extrapolate that burden of COVID deaths...why was this fall such a higher burden? I would posture that that lies on the laurels of bad policy for 1.5 years...
1. For 18 months most of the elderly in our nation have not had access to basic health care - so many have had fallen behind on prescriptions, diagnostics and routine check ups. Ultimately bringing them closer to death..
2. A vaccination program was relaunched aggressively in June through August for 1st and 2nd shots - it interesting to note that case counts closely mirror vaccination rates which may suggest that the program in itself may have been series of super spreader events.
The combination of these two events with new variants and border porosity likely explains the increase in death in the 21 fall period (not home-porting as much as I'd like to blame the cruise ships) which also probably over-presents the annual burden of COVID...which is why working with a mortality average is probably more informative (but still likely overstates the reality given the 'of' versus 'with' codification issue).. At 22 months into the pandemic..and 700 deaths we're averaging about 30 a month or 360 per year give or take and I would wager this still a strong exaggeration of COVIDs true burden...
On 388 new cases of COVID-19
Posted 8 January 2022, 3:41 p.m. Suggest removal