Wait you left out a bit - "will protect you for maybe 3 - 6 months, but probably not any better than if you have a previous C19 infection, (or if you are generally healthy or a under the age of 20 ~ 35) after that you'll probably need a booster for the rest of your life (but only if you want to join society). It is safe but has had pretty much more side effects than any other vaccine ever created but it's true there's a slim chance of having any of those, unless you do but no-one will report it. You will not stop transmitting the virus and so you'll won't have any additional freedoms but you will have a nice card that says you complied. You will not die 'of' the vaccine unless you do, in which case they'll say you died 'with' the vaccine not 'of' it"
Representatives from Moderna and Pfizer have mimicked the sentiment and point still holds - "the expert consensus" is the opposite of Mrs Forbes statement...Herd immunity is a phantasm that can't be delivered by vaccines that don't provide sterile immunity.. . I d post links but I know you don't have time to read them ;)
I thought you were all about sample size - surely you'd agree we don't have good indication of how vaccination program will do in The Bahamas because we only have a handful vaccinated (are they old/young/commordities/obese - were they previously infected?)..we barely have vaccinated anybody yet and we have know idea of the make up of that population. Plus it's all rosy in the first 6 months - the dreary bit is when vaccine antibody memory starts to dropping 70 days from injection...there will be screams for boosters next march when the spring breakers come down with the latest virus model and again in July after independence (and summer heat with everyone in a/c)..Maybe then we'll accept this is a endemic disease with seasonal bumps spirited by human behaviour and dynamic population demographics...with engrained dietary and social customs causing more of burden on our health care than 'the cough'...
Bobby precisely we managed to advance medicine without shutting down the rest of society or taking people freedoms away.
Covid is fart in the breeze in comparison to other things that kill people, worse it's absorbing other forms death to make it's self look worse than it is to the rest of society and government policy and it's attack on personal freedom is using that inflated danger to justify restrictions - that what's wrong - and it's said that moderately ;) educated individuals like yourself can't stand and fight for people's freedom and expose the farce for what it is.. Leave the dark side join the force ;)
Hmmm around 100 died of respiratory diseases in 2019..another 50 chronic respiratory disease in the same year 150 in total.. (hmm I wonder if wonder what covid did 2020)
Oh covid last year killed 140, this year 170 to date... (I wonder how many would have died of other respiratory disease anyway)
Cardiovascular Disease killed about 868 people in 2019
Cancer killed about 580
Random injuries (Drownings, car accidents, falls, etc) killed around 346
Diabetes 248
Covid killed 170 in 2020 and has killed 140 so far this year; many of whom were dying or may have died of other primary causes..
Essentially a greater chance of dying by accident or by human negligence than of a little cough...and KFC is a clear and present danger! LOL
Well in The Bahamas as you know most people aren't vaxxed yet but 99% of active cases are not severely ill...96% of all active cases are not in hospital... Crappy health care is not the same as viral risk...And well as data in my post below is showing many many people of dying of other things...but yet covid myopia ignores that and continues to be the only thing influencing policy...
With regard to "99% of unvaxxed deaths" - the question is from when (lol) - because that is important - if you're including all of those hospitalisation and deaths from early December (when the vast majority of the US -the only place propagandising this statistic- was unvaccinated), you skew the results...CDC already let it slip in the infamous slide leak that vaccinated death in hospitals were at 15% in the USA (In May) (see slide 4) and growing:
> "Experts’ consensus is that we need between 70-85 percent of a population (to be) immune for herd immunity,” she said. “And so, if we have a population of about 400,000 and we have fully vaccinated about 56,000 persons, you’ll see that we still have some ways to go as it relates to this target of having 85 percent of the population immunised".
This is just a bold faced lie.. Even the vaccine makers say their product can't deliver herd immunity...Why go out there and look dishonest when you're appealing to people to trust you...
COVID has killed only 4.3 million (over 1.5 years) globally (google is there and it's easy to use) ..average age of which is around 75-80 and the vast majority (~96%) of which were in LTC facilities or dying 2 - 3 the other things.
17 Million die of cardio vascular disease (26 million over 1.5 years)
10 Million die of cancer each year globally (15 million of 1.5 years)..but there is expected to increase 10-15% (1.5 million per year) given the lack of diagnostics due to covid lockdowns in 2020.
In fact Smog killed 10 million people last year...sigh...thats right smog is a bigger killer...
And actually vaccinated are still capitulating in growing quantities as the call for booster shots increase...(that 99% figure proud loved quote is no longer the case). Vaccinated or not vaccinated if you're old or have immune deficients covid is likely to have fatal impact - for the rest of us - the chances of dying by accident in The Bahamas are greater...
whogothere says...
Wait you left out a bit - "will protect you for maybe 3 - 6 months, but probably not any better than if you have a previous C19 infection, (or if you are generally healthy or a under the age of 20 ~ 35) after that you'll probably need a booster for the rest of your life (but only if you want to join society). It is safe but has had pretty much more side effects than any other vaccine ever created but it's true there's a slim chance of having any of those, unless you do but no-one will report it. You will not stop transmitting the virus and so you'll won't have any additional freedoms but you will have a nice card that says you complied. You will not die 'of' the vaccine unless you do, in which case they'll say you died 'with' the vaccine not 'of' it"
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whogothere says...
Representatives from Moderna and Pfizer have mimicked the sentiment and point still holds - "the expert consensus" is the opposite of Mrs Forbes statement...Herd immunity is a phantasm that can't be delivered by vaccines that don't provide sterile immunity.. . I d post links but I know you don't have time to read them ;)
I thought you were all about sample size - surely you'd agree we don't have good indication of how vaccination program will do in The Bahamas because we only have a handful vaccinated (are they old/young/commordities/obese - were they previously infected?)..we barely have vaccinated anybody yet and we have know idea of the make up of that population. Plus it's all rosy in the first 6 months - the dreary bit is when vaccine antibody memory starts to dropping 70 days from injection...there will be screams for boosters next march when the spring breakers come down with the latest virus model and again in July after independence (and summer heat with everyone in a/c)..Maybe then we'll accept this is a endemic disease with seasonal bumps spirited by human behaviour and dynamic population demographics...with engrained dietary and social customs causing more of burden on our health care than 'the cough'...
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whogothere says...
Bobby precisely we managed to advance medicine without shutting down the rest of society or taking people freedoms away.
Covid is fart in the breeze in comparison to other things that kill people, worse it's absorbing other forms death to make it's self look worse than it is to the rest of society and government policy and it's attack on personal freedom is using that inflated danger to justify restrictions - that what's wrong - and it's said that moderately ;) educated individuals like yourself can't stand and fight for people's freedom and expose the farce for what it is.. Leave the dark side join the force ;)
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whogothere says...
Hmmm around 100 died of respiratory diseases in 2019..another 50 chronic respiratory disease in the same year 150 in total.. (hmm I wonder if wonder what covid did 2020)
Oh covid last year killed 140, this year 170 to date... (I wonder how many would have died of other respiratory disease anyway)
Cardiovascular Disease killed about 868 people in 2019
Cancer killed about 580
Random injuries (Drownings, car accidents, falls, etc) killed around 346
Diabetes 248
Covid killed 170 in 2020 and has killed 140 so far this year; many of whom were dying or may have died of other primary causes..
Essentially a greater chance of dying by accident or by human negligence than of a little cough...and KFC is a clear and present danger! LOL
http://ghdx.healthdata.org/gbd-results-…
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whogothere says...
Amazing how scared these people are of a little cough.. it’s kfc we need to worry about ; )
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whogothere says...
Well in The Bahamas as you know most people aren't vaxxed yet but 99% of active cases are not severely ill...96% of all active cases are not in hospital...
Crappy health care is not the same as viral risk...And well as data in my post below is showing many many people of dying of other things...but yet covid myopia ignores that and continues to be the only thing influencing policy...
With regard to "99% of unvaxxed deaths" - the question is from when (lol) - because that is important - if you're including all of those hospitalisation and deaths from early December (when the vast majority of the US -the only place propagandising this statistic- was unvaccinated), you skew the results...CDC already let it slip in the infamous slide leak that vaccinated death in hospitals were at 15% in the USA (In May) (see slide 4) and growing:
https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/….
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whogothere says...
ha you beat me too it ; )
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whogothere says...
> "Experts’ consensus is that we need between 70-85 percent of a population (to be) immune for herd immunity,” she said. “And so, if we have a population of about 400,000 and we have fully vaccinated about 56,000 persons, you’ll see that we still have some ways to go as it relates to this target of having 85 percent of the population immunised".
This is just a bold faced lie.. Even the vaccine makers say their product can't deliver herd immunity...Why go out there and look dishonest when you're appealing to people to trust you...
www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-m…
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whogothere says...
Geez @proud you really are stupid.. truly..
COVID has killed only 4.3 million (over 1.5 years) globally (google is there and it's easy to use) ..average age of which is around 75-80 and the vast majority (~96%) of which were in LTC facilities or dying 2 - 3 the other things.
17 Million die of cardio vascular disease (26 million over 1.5 years)
10 Million die of cancer each year globally (15 million of 1.5 years)..but there is expected to increase 10-15% (1.5 million per year) given the lack of diagnostics due to covid lockdowns in 2020.
In fact Smog killed 10 million people last year...sigh...thats right smog is a bigger killer...
www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021…
Tobacco 7 million globally..
www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fac…
Alcohol 3 million each year..
www.alcoholrehabguide.org/resources/med…
And actually vaccinated are still capitulating in growing quantities as the call for booster shots increase...(that 99% figure proud loved quote is no longer the case). Vaccinated or not vaccinated if you're old or have immune deficients covid is likely to have fatal impact - for the rest of us - the chances of dying by accident in The Bahamas are greater...
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whogothere says...
So how does covid stack up to some of the other things that killed Bahamians in 2019:
**Cardiovascular Disease killed about 868 people**
**Cancer killed about 580**
**Random injuries (Drownings, car accidents, falls, etc) killed around 346**
**Diabetes 248**
**And around 110 died of respiratory diseases.**
Covid killed 170 in 2020 and has killed 140 so far this year; many of whom were dying or may have died of other primary causes..
It's crazy that there is essentially a greater chance of dying by accident or by human negligence than of covid..
It's a farce...
http://ghdx.healthdata.org/gbd-results-…
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