Looks like boosters roosters are in the cards sad to say...they don’t want to say scary thing out loud...
“We know levels of antibodies start high and drop substantially,” said Prof Rob Aldridge, an infectious disease epidemiologist at University College London. “We’re concerned that if they carry on dropping at the rate we’ve seen, the protective effects of the vaccines will start to drop too, and the big question is, when is that going to happen?”
First studies are starting to come in that basically antibodies stimulated by Vaccines drop massively after 70 days...Minnis better get out his check book and write some more checks for those boosters...Hope he wasn't betting on vaccinating the 70% country to end the pandemic..considering we've only vaccinated 10% of the population by the time the next 10% roll up their sleeves the first 10% will be needing a top up...oops...if only a thorough antibody study was undertaken to understand the seropravetlence of the nation and give rights and normality to those that have already beaten covid without jab and he could focus his pointless vaccination program on those stupid enough to believe this will ever over..oh well..
Bobby.. oh bobby... it's not that hard -it's right there in black and white..?
118 deaths of persons received 2 doses... 98 deaths of persons had not received any doses..
That ratio is being charitable as really AZ claims 70% efficacy after the first dose.. which only increases to 82% after the second. (Let's not forget they claimed "100% protection against severe disease hospitalisation and death" in their phase 3 trials)
So really we should add the 44 that were partially vaxxed (21 days after receiving 1 dose) that died to breakthrough deaths.. (though nice try on your efforts to add them to them unvaccinated bucket - that would be called manipulating the data )
So really we're talking about 162 vaccine 'protected' deaths versus 98 unvaxxed...
Actually bobby The table accounts for unrelated to COVID admittance cases by separating out those that whose sample date was the same as their admittance date. So don't need to worry about that (check the fine print on page 18 ;)
The whole point of vaccines is to protect the vulnerable and the assumption would be that those over 50 would be more likely to have pre-conditions whether they are vaxed or not and yet.. again those with full and partial protection that ended up in ER in greater numbers than those that were unvaccinated.
264 fully vaccinated 50+ year olds ended up in ER 232 partially vaccinated 50+ year olds (1 dose plus 21+ days) likewise so thats some 496 50+ years olds with some degree of vaccine protection ending up in ER
Versus
144 unvaccinated 50+ year olds ER attendees...
This really isn't rocket science.. I will agree with you that we should be looking at the big picture - what the numbers do convey on the bigger scale is that delta variant is a mild disease. Statistically speaking your chances of dying if under 50 of covid are essentially ZERO (table 4 page 13) and overall it's 0.2%. The chances of not ending up overnight in the ER because of the delta virus are 99.1% and being vaccinated or not does seem to drastically improve or damage those odds.
You seemed confused simply one... I asked DWW if he had any material that shows efficacy of vaxs are sustained over 6 months.. my post said we are one variant away from efficacy failure.Thats exactly what the studies show, but hey read it how you want read - it that does not change the fact AZ does squat against the SA variant oh bobby boy..if that lands on our shores the entire vax program will be piss in the wind..
If, as it is seems, the vaccines don't prevent infection or spread - what is the point of a vaccine passport?
If (big if - given what we've seen in South Africa) the vaccine protects the vaccinated from serious outcomes but they can still infect others, what benefit does it serve to discriminate by vaccination status?
Not to mention most of those in test groups were young and healthy...not the demographic needing protection and thus skewed the results..it’s like trialing a pregnancy pill on a test group of just men...100% effective in trials but it don’t match the real world..
Nah didn't need to wait six months on this - This shows the complete collapse of the AZ VAC against the South African variant. As an example of being one variant away from complete failure.... Sorry to burst yours...It was so bad they sold their stock AZ after the studies came in..
So DWW so you have evidence that vaccines last more than 6 months to a year? I d love to see it. Meanwhile guess we're only one variant from complete efficacy failure...
Dude you keep on repeating it but ignoring the evidence that the Majority of hospitalised and Dying of the new Delta strain are in fact vaccinated in the Uk and Israel. Seychelles who have vaxxed essentially their entire populations and the vaccine has not stop spread, deaths or hospitalisation... Particularly in those that are old, obese or have co-morbitidites which is incidentally the same section of society that are died/dying of covid with or without vaccination. Vaccination may give some protection (for a while) against the Alpha variant, it might even give some protection (for a while) against the delta variant but vaccination isn't the issue - irrespective of how well it works - it is the overreach of the politicians and the medical community that have undermined their credibility . The theatre of masks, social distancing, lockdowns and now vaccination is so divorced from science it unravels stability of nations and social contract the governments have with their populaces. Democracy is sacrificed for a political-medical oligarchy built on fear not data or science. I enjoy the tribune because it does allow commentary that can allow expression on 'news' and fortunately I get to write what I think not what you want me right - so enjoy ; )
whogothere says...
Looks like boosters roosters are in the cards sad to say...they don’t want to say scary thing out loud...
“We know levels of antibodies start high and drop substantially,” said Prof Rob Aldridge, an infectious disease epidemiologist at University College London. “We’re concerned that if they carry on dropping at the rate we’ve seen, the protective effects of the vaccines will start to drop too, and the big question is, when is that going to happen?”
Virus gonna virus
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/…
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whogothere says...
First studies are starting to come in that basically antibodies stimulated by Vaccines drop massively after 70 days...Minnis better get out his check book and write some more checks for those boosters...Hope he wasn't betting on vaccinating the 70% country to end the pandemic..considering we've only vaccinated 10% of the population by the time the next 10% roll up their sleeves the first 10% will be needing a top up...oops...if only a thorough antibody study was undertaken to understand the seropravetlence of the nation and give rights and normality to those that have already beaten covid without jab and he could focus his pointless vaccination program on those stupid enough to believe this will ever over..oh well..
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc…
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whogothere says...
Bobby.. oh bobby... it's not that hard -it's right there in black and white..?
118 deaths of persons received 2 doses...
98 deaths of persons had not received any doses..
That ratio is being charitable as really AZ claims 70% efficacy after the first dose.. which only increases to 82% after the second. (Let's not forget they claimed "100% protection against severe disease hospitalisation and death" in their phase 3 trials)
https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centr…
So really we should add the 44 that were partially vaxxed (21 days after receiving 1 dose) that died to breakthrough deaths.. (though nice try on your efforts to add them to them unvaccinated bucket - that would be called manipulating the data )
So really we're talking about 162 vaccine 'protected' deaths versus 98 unvaxxed...
Actually bobby The table accounts for unrelated to COVID admittance cases by separating out those that whose sample date was the same as their admittance date. So don't need to worry about that (check the fine print on page 18 ;)
The whole point of vaccines is to protect the vulnerable and the assumption would be that those over 50 would be more likely to have pre-conditions whether they are vaxed or not and yet.. again those with full and partial protection that ended up in ER in greater numbers than those that were unvaccinated.
264 fully vaccinated 50+ year olds ended up in ER
232 partially vaccinated 50+ year olds (1 dose plus 21+ days) likewise
so thats some 496 50+ years olds with some degree of vaccine protection ending up in ER
Versus
144 unvaccinated 50+ year olds ER attendees...
This really isn't rocket science.. I will agree with you that we should be looking at the big picture - what the numbers do convey on the bigger scale is that delta variant is a mild disease. Statistically speaking your chances of dying if under 50 of covid are essentially ZERO (table 4 page 13) and overall it's 0.2%. The chances of not ending up overnight in the ER because of the delta virus are 99.1% and being vaccinated or not does seem to drastically improve or damage those odds.
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whogothere says...
You seemed confused simply one... I asked DWW if he had any material that shows efficacy of vaxs are sustained over 6 months.. my post said we are one variant away from efficacy failure.Thats exactly what the studies show, but hey read it how you want read - it that does not change the fact AZ does squat against the SA variant oh bobby boy..if that lands on our shores the entire vax program will be piss in the wind..
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whogothere says...
If, as it is seems, the vaccines don't prevent infection or spread - what is the point of a vaccine passport?
If (big if - given what we've seen in South Africa) the vaccine protects the vaccinated from serious outcomes but they can still infect others, what benefit does it serve to discriminate by vaccination status?
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whogothere says...
Not to mention most of those in test groups were young and healthy...not the demographic needing protection and thus skewed the results..it’s like trialing a pregnancy pill on a test group of just men...100% effective in trials but it don’t match the real world..
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whogothere says...
Nah didn't need to wait six months on this - This shows the complete collapse of the AZ VAC against the South African variant. As an example of being one variant away from complete failure.... Sorry to burst yours...It was so bad they sold their stock AZ after the studies came in..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu…
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whogothere says...
Page 17 table 5 - when it comes to delta variant in the uk - yes
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u…
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whogothere says...
So DWW so you have evidence that vaccines last more than 6 months to a year? I d love to see it. Meanwhile guess we're only one variant from complete efficacy failure...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3372543…
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3393948…
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa…
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whogothere says...
Dude you keep on repeating it but ignoring the evidence that the Majority of hospitalised and Dying of the new Delta strain are in fact vaccinated in the Uk and Israel. Seychelles who have vaxxed essentially their entire populations and the vaccine has not stop spread, deaths or hospitalisation... Particularly in those that are old, obese or have co-morbitidites which is incidentally the same section of society that are died/dying of covid with or without vaccination. Vaccination may give some protection (for a while) against the Alpha variant, it might even give some protection (for a while) against the delta variant but vaccination isn't the issue - irrespective of how well it works - it is the overreach of the politicians and the medical community that have undermined their credibility . The theatre of masks, social distancing, lockdowns and now vaccination is so divorced from science it unravels stability of nations and social contract the governments have with their populaces. Democracy is sacrificed for a political-medical oligarchy built on fear not data or science. I enjoy the tribune because it does allow commentary that can allow expression on 'news' and fortunately I get to write what I think not what you want me right - so enjoy ; )
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