Frankly I m more concerned with the numbers children that being killed Or hospitalized through Increase in domestic violence or crime, or suicides that have skyrocketed, or the fact 100,000 people can’t feed themselves, that 1000s of infants are not getting adequate nutrition, 10s of 1000s of children whose education is being deprived, or that around 660 people die of cardiac disease in this country every year. I worry for my friends that can’t get bioS because of the backlog in cancer diagnostics. Where was your righteous indignation on the fact that before COVID19 fried chicken and lack of excise has been killing bahamians in 100s each year. The Bahamian dash board is a joke. We don’t Know anything from it except that 96 people died most of whom had serious underlying diseases and potentially would likely be apart of 2500 people that die each year anyway. Hospitalized is also inaccurate because includes anyone in hospital that test positive for corvid even they are there for other reasons...But because we don’t do statists well in the Bahamas it’s all academic..,the cdc while not the best agency in the world for health metrics does have some interesting data relevant to our existence. Maybe give it some thought ;) spoiler alert COVID is bad but not really that that bad...
CDC’s new IFR survivability estimates after contracting the virus are broken down by age as part of the agency’s “COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios" Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate are as follows:
0-19 years old survivability rate is 99.997% 20-49 years old survivability rate is 99.98% 50-69 years old survivability rate is 99.5% 70 years old or older survivability rate is 94.6%
To put that in a different perspective the CDC’s new estimate for the death rate after contracting COVID-19 by age are:
0-19 years old death rate is .003% or .00003 20-49 years old death rate is .02% or .0002 50-69 years old death rate is .5%% or .005 70 years old or older death rate is 5.4% or .054
I m sorry tribanon but this completely false information. Abott tests are among the tests with highest the accuracy...
**‘ One of the most popular antibody tests in the US, the Abbott Architect test, had 97.2% sensitivity and 100% specificity when administered at least two weeks after a person's symptoms started, the review found. That means false positives were more likely than false negatives. But the results from the manufacturer indicate the opposite: that the test is 100% sensitive and 99.6% specific, according to the FDA.**
Cases won’t explode when they open borders. They have exploded already. It’s done we ll approach herd immunity soon and expect viral collapse. It’s happened over and over again with every hotspot. Look at Bimini look at grand Bahamas. If cases do explode it’s because rapid testing has been deployed and more asymptomatic are being picked up, without death increases as demonstrated in Florida. We re not locking down because the reality is the vast majority have mild out comes and up to 70% may be so mild they don t even know they have it. World has been paralyzed by fear, when the paralysis is worse then thing that frightened them...if you looked at your toothbrush under a microscope what’s living there would be frightening, but then end of the day if you stop brushing your teeth you re going to have bigger problems down the road and the microbes that live don t exactly do much harm...covid19 for the working age population is not a threat...I d say there has been more Kids hospitalized or murdered by domestic violence and crime than of COVID in the last 3 months...Children with their entire lives ahead of them...the narrative has got change on this thing...
Who determines that? It’s well documented masks don t suppress infections. There is not yet one state or country with a mandate that have demonstrated their effectiveness...yet here we are...the law is worded such that it effectively gives the gov a monopoly on what is deemed to be truth...just sayin...
My brother the law you mention is interesting...others might call censorship. Some might call it a assault on the freedom of speech. One thing is for sure the Bahamas government should not have, nor does it have the credibility, nor the credentials Nor track record to truly discern what is false information and what is fact, least of all with something like COVID. In the mean time evidence based opinion is the standard we should respect, even it challenges the law and status quo or our own beliefs.
Lol we never even had a curve! We 're weren't testing - we didn't haven't any tests in March through July, we were bumbling around in the dark, playing like we had pandemic crisis. So it looked like the lockdown was working, Team Minnis used that logic to justify draconian lockdowns from March through July and a power grab...all without understanding what was really going on - Blissful ignorance, the emperors new cloths...No we didn't flatten the curve, nor did we have first wave. We've had one wave and the virus will likely, slow down significantly as it approaches Herd Immunity Thresholds which are (contrary to what the MSM likes to report) closer to 20% - 30% depending population make up and density. Nassau likely has 30k+ cases. With population of 195k in NP we'll likely see confirmed cases go to 4k-5k before tinkering off like they have in Grand Bahamas. Anyway the whole point is - we could have avoided the larger national crisis that is brewing in education, Delayed diagnostics and treatments of other ailments, increased poverty as well as the increased national burden of debt that has now been hitched to the next generation of Bahamians... We could have kept our borders open, we could have simply required all travelers Bahamian or otherwise to do a pcr test before entry, we could have not lock-down our islands, we could have sent our kids to school, we could not destroyed the livelihoods of 10s of thousands of Bahamians; because at the end of the day as bad as COVID19 is, it is really not what it was chalked up to be.
Well dah?! General magnitude of increase x10... puts our IFR around .23% Right in line CDC best estimates of fatality. Essentially in the range of a severe flu season..or twice as bad as an average one... lives saved from 4 months of locked and cratering our economy? - likely none..
Florida mortality curves were much flatter though. Health system not overwhelmed...and excess death basically flat in comparison to NY. The struck the right balance protect the vulnerable, keeping young working, money coming in and at the same time build immunity. I don't see any evidence that faults this strategy. Killing the economy if doesn't save people is pointless, and arguable kills a lot of other people through other means (delayed diagnostics, suicide, crime and failure to treat critical ailments) and just delays the inevitable...the spread of airborne virus that is a basically unstoppable but fortunately is not that dangerous to the majority of society.
whogothere says...
Frankly I m more concerned with the numbers children that being killed Or hospitalized through Increase in domestic violence or crime, or suicides that have skyrocketed, or the fact 100,000 people can’t feed themselves, that 1000s of infants are not getting adequate nutrition, 10s of 1000s of children whose education is being deprived, or that around 660 people die of cardiac disease in this country every year. I worry for my friends that can’t get bioS because of the backlog in cancer diagnostics. Where was your righteous indignation on the fact that before COVID19 fried chicken and lack of excise has been killing bahamians in 100s each year. The Bahamian dash board is a joke. We don’t Know anything from it except that 96 people died most of whom had serious underlying diseases and potentially would likely be apart of 2500 people that die each year anyway. Hospitalized is also inaccurate because includes anyone in hospital that test positive for corvid even they are there for other reasons...But because we don’t do statists well in the Bahamas it’s all academic..,the cdc while not the best agency in the world for health metrics does have some interesting data relevant to our existence. Maybe give it some thought ;) spoiler alert COVID is bad but not really that that bad...
On 97 new cases of COVID-19
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whogothere says...
CDC’s new IFR survivability estimates after contracting the virus are broken down by age as part of the agency’s “COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios" Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate are as follows:
0-19 years old survivability rate is 99.997%
20-49 years old survivability rate is 99.98%
50-69 years old survivability rate is 99.5%
70 years old or older survivability rate is 94.6%
To put that in a different perspective the CDC’s new estimate for the death rate after contracting COVID-19 by age are:
0-19 years old death rate is .003% or .00003
20-49 years old death rate is .02% or .0002
50-69 years old death rate is .5%% or .005
70 years old or older death rate is 5.4% or .054
What do these numbers show?
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Posted 2 October 2020, 10:03 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
I m sorry tribanon but this completely false information. Abott tests are among the tests with highest the accuracy...
**‘ One of the most popular antibody tests in the US, the Abbott Architect test, had 97.2% sensitivity and 100% specificity when administered at least two weeks after a person's symptoms started, the review found. That means false positives were more likely than false negatives. But the results from the manufacturer indicate the opposite: that the test is 100% sensitive and 99.6% specific, according to the FDA.**
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busine…
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whogothere says...
Cases won’t explode when they open borders. They have exploded already. It’s done we ll approach herd immunity soon and expect viral collapse. It’s happened over and over again with every hotspot. Look at Bimini look at grand Bahamas. If cases do explode it’s because rapid testing has been deployed and more asymptomatic are being picked up, without death increases as demonstrated in Florida. We re not locking down because the reality is the vast majority have mild out comes and up to 70% may be so mild they don t even know they have it. World has been paralyzed by fear, when the paralysis is worse then thing that frightened them...if you looked at your toothbrush under a microscope what’s living there would be frightening, but then end of the day if you stop brushing your teeth you re going to have bigger problems down the road and the microbes that live don t exactly do much harm...covid19 for the working age population is not a threat...I d say there has been more Kids hospitalized or murdered by domestic violence and crime than of COVID in the last 3 months...Children with their entire lives ahead of them...the narrative has got change on this thing...
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Posted 2 October 2020, 9:31 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Well the good news for trump being 74 and obese is that he still has 94% chance of beating this COVID . Pretty good odds.
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whogothere says...
Who determines that? It’s well documented masks don t suppress infections. There is not yet one state or country with a mandate that have demonstrated their effectiveness...yet here we are...the law is worded such that it effectively gives the gov a monopoly on what is deemed to be truth...just sayin...
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whogothere says...
My brother the law you mention is interesting...others might call censorship. Some might call it a assault on the freedom of speech. One thing is for sure the Bahamas government should not have, nor does it have the credibility, nor the credentials Nor track record to truly discern what is false information and what is fact, least of all with something like COVID. In the mean time evidence based opinion is the standard we should respect, even it challenges the law and status quo or our own beliefs.
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whogothere says...
Lol we never even had a curve! We 're weren't testing - we didn't haven't any tests in March through July, we were bumbling around in the dark, playing like we had pandemic crisis. So it looked like the lockdown was working, Team Minnis used that logic to justify draconian lockdowns from March through July and a power grab...all without understanding what was really going on - Blissful ignorance, the emperors new cloths...No we didn't flatten the curve, nor did we have first wave. We've had one wave and the virus will likely, slow down significantly as it approaches Herd Immunity Thresholds which are (contrary to what the MSM likes to report) closer to 20% - 30% depending population make up and density. Nassau likely has 30k+ cases. With population of 195k in NP we'll likely see confirmed cases go to 4k-5k before tinkering off like they have in Grand Bahamas. Anyway the whole point is - we could have avoided the larger national crisis that is brewing in education, Delayed diagnostics and treatments of other ailments, increased poverty as well as the increased national burden of debt that has now been hitched to the next generation of Bahamians... We could have kept our borders open, we could have simply required all travelers Bahamian or otherwise to do a pcr test before entry, we could have not lock-down our islands, we could have sent our kids to school, we could not destroyed the livelihoods of 10s of thousands of Bahamians; because at the end of the day as bad as COVID19 is, it is really not what it was chalked up to be.
On THOUSANDS MAY HAVE CAUGHT VIRUS: Leading medical centres estimate infection rate is much higher than stated
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whogothere says...
Well dah?! General magnitude of increase x10... puts our IFR around .23% Right in line CDC best estimates of fatality. Essentially in the range of a severe flu season..or twice as bad as an average one... lives saved from 4 months of locked and cratering our economy? - likely none..
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whogothere says...
Florida mortality curves were much flatter though. Health system not overwhelmed...and excess death basically flat in comparison to NY. The struck the right balance protect the vulnerable, keeping young working, money coming in and at the same time build immunity. I don't see any evidence that faults this strategy. Killing the economy if doesn't save people is pointless, and arguable kills a lot of other people through other means (delayed diagnostics, suicide, crime and failure to treat critical ailments) and just delays the inevitable...the spread of airborne virus that is a basically unstoppable but fortunately is not that dangerous to the majority of society.
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