Curious...were they 'fired'...as in fired with cause and no pay, or were they paid out their full severance package and made redundant? If they were paid their full severance package, the union needs to shut the hell up and start stirring up crap...especially since it does not impact one of their union members anyways. Maybe...just maybe, these managers were bending some rules that benefited the union members and that's why they are up in arms...who knows...just more curious as to whether they got paid their severance or flat out fired with no pay.
The silly thing about it is this...not really a black or white issue, just a common sense issue on behalf of the officers. You have a 'top banker'...you pull him over, he does not DENY that he is working, doesn't claim to be a visitor, he tells you he is the director in charge of UBS. Chances are he was driving a car owned and registered to UBS. You know where he works, they have a massive building and complex right next to East Villa near Waterloo. This man is not a threat that needs to be detained and possibly deported for being an illegal. Send him on his way, alert head office, have them send an immigration officer to his offices at a predetermined time to give him time to get his paperwork out of the safe or safe deposit box which is likely where a Swiss minded individual would keep important documents and document him. Or tell him he needs to report to Hawkins Hill with his papers and meet this specific individual...otherwise we will be forced to visit your offices. It's the shady characters out there that you can tell without much difficulty that they are illegal, are they in a big fancy vehicle dressed for work, then tell you, no, I'm just visiting...with a briefcase on the passenger seat.
So many other ways this could have been handled, but because the immigration officers were power tripping, it ended up like it did and might just be the final nail in the coffin that drives UBS out of this country...they have already been pairing down their operations significantly and I believe there were in fact talks of them closing the Nassau branches in the past couple years. There are better ways to go about it is all I am trying to say, having the gestapo stop you at roadblocks with a massive chip on their shoulder and something to prove, is not the right way to go about it.
Wasn't the FNM that said it...wasn't it Leslie Miller...or another PLP MP that was quoted in the papers basically saying the local populace is too ignorant to understand the issues so they will decide for them what is best...and I think my paraphrase there was being NICE as to what was really said.
Had an acquaintance of mine show his permanent residency 'electronic credit card', along with his drivers license, and NIB card only to be told by the thugs that there was a problem with his 'papers' and he needed to pull over to the side of the road and await a supervisor to sort the matter out.
I really do not know what the proper approach to it is or should be...I agree there needs to be a way to enforce immigration laws...but this is illegal and not the way to do it. To quote our fearless leaders when asked just about anything these days...it is a complex issue...maybe they should form a committee or bring in some consultants to advise on the issue.
Problem there is that as a citizen of the country, you legally do not have to carry any ID with you. What they (the police and immigration) are doing is illegal...especially if they illegally detain someone who is actually a bonafide citizen. Until they change the constitution and make it mandatory for all people to carry national ID cards, these blockades are illegal and a form of harassment.
A couple things to bear in mind Rory...he may not like the Bahamas...he may just be down here for a couple years by bank orders to manage the offices down here...or he may love the place...maybe he does own property and may even be a permanent resident...which makes it worse...I don't know what the full scoop is on people with permanent residency with the right to work, if they need to carry their papers or not, like a work permit holder...but the room for error with these thugs demanding this and that is SO huge...it's bad bad news and not the right way to do it.
This is not the proper way to handle this problem though...I am not too sure exactly what IS the proper way either, but if you do not see that it is a threat to your rights as a citizen of this country to walk freely in your country without being detained and flagged as an illegal you are a fool. So many lines getting crossed, laws being broken...by the people meant to uphold those very same laws.
B_I_D___ says...
Curious...were they 'fired'...as in fired with cause and no pay, or were they paid out their full severance package and made redundant? If they were paid their full severance package, the union needs to shut the hell up and start stirring up crap...especially since it does not impact one of their union members anyways. Maybe...just maybe, these managers were bending some rules that benefited the union members and that's why they are up in arms...who knows...just more curious as to whether they got paid their severance or flat out fired with no pay.
On Union accuses hotel of racism
Posted 15 January 2014, 4:08 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
The silly thing about it is this...not really a black or white issue, just a common sense issue on behalf of the officers. You have a 'top banker'...you pull him over, he does not DENY that he is working, doesn't claim to be a visitor, he tells you he is the director in charge of UBS. Chances are he was driving a car owned and registered to UBS. You know where he works, they have a massive building and complex right next to East Villa near Waterloo. This man is not a threat that needs to be detained and possibly deported for being an illegal. Send him on his way, alert head office, have them send an immigration officer to his offices at a predetermined time to give him time to get his paperwork out of the safe or safe deposit box which is likely where a Swiss minded individual would keep important documents and document him. Or tell him he needs to report to Hawkins Hill with his papers and meet this specific individual...otherwise we will be forced to visit your offices. It's the shady characters out there that you can tell without much difficulty that they are illegal, are they in a big fancy vehicle dressed for work, then tell you, no, I'm just visiting...with a briefcase on the passenger seat.
So many other ways this could have been handled, but because the immigration officers were power tripping, it ended up like it did and might just be the final nail in the coffin that drives UBS out of this country...they have already been pairing down their operations significantly and I believe there were in fact talks of them closing the Nassau branches in the past couple years.
There are better ways to go about it is all I am trying to say, having the gestapo stop you at roadblocks with a massive chip on their shoulder and something to prove, is not the right way to go about it.
On Top bank executive detained at immigration road block
Posted 15 January 2014, 3:44 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
Bear in mind, harassment goes both ways!! I've seen countless woman harassing male staff members...so it's not just a law to protect the females.
On Activist counters talk show host's claims over sex offence laws
Posted 15 January 2014, 2:54 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
Wasn't the FNM that said it...wasn't it Leslie Miller...or another PLP MP that was quoted in the papers basically saying the local populace is too ignorant to understand the issues so they will decide for them what is best...and I think my paraphrase there was being NICE as to what was really said.
On Top bank executive detained at immigration road block
Posted 15 January 2014, 2:37 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
Driver's license is not sufficient proof of immigration legal status...they will still haul you off.
On Top bank executive detained at immigration road block
Posted 15 January 2014, 2:14 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
Had an acquaintance of mine show his permanent residency 'electronic credit card', along with his drivers license, and NIB card only to be told by the thugs that there was a problem with his 'papers' and he needed to pull over to the side of the road and await a supervisor to sort the matter out.
On Top bank executive detained at immigration road block
Posted 15 January 2014, 1:42 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
I really do not know what the proper approach to it is or should be...I agree there needs to be a way to enforce immigration laws...but this is illegal and not the way to do it. To quote our fearless leaders when asked just about anything these days...it is a complex issue...maybe they should form a committee or bring in some consultants to advise on the issue.
On Top bank executive detained at immigration road block
Posted 15 January 2014, 1:39 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
Problem there is that as a citizen of the country, you legally do not have to carry any ID with you. What they (the police and immigration) are doing is illegal...especially if they illegally detain someone who is actually a bonafide citizen. Until they change the constitution and make it mandatory for all people to carry national ID cards, these blockades are illegal and a form of harassment.
On Top bank executive detained at immigration road block
Posted 15 January 2014, 1:35 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
A couple things to bear in mind Rory...he may not like the Bahamas...he may just be down here for a couple years by bank orders to manage the offices down here...or he may love the place...maybe he does own property and may even be a permanent resident...which makes it worse...I don't know what the full scoop is on people with permanent residency with the right to work, if they need to carry their papers or not, like a work permit holder...but the room for error with these thugs demanding this and that is SO huge...it's bad bad news and not the right way to do it.
On Top bank executive detained at immigration road block
Posted 15 January 2014, 1:25 p.m. Suggest removal
B_I_D___ says...
This is not the proper way to handle this problem though...I am not too sure exactly what IS the proper way either, but if you do not see that it is a threat to your rights as a citizen of this country to walk freely in your country without being detained and flagged as an illegal you are a fool. So many lines getting crossed, laws being broken...by the people meant to uphold those very same laws.
On Top bank executive detained at immigration road block
Posted 15 January 2014, 1:18 p.m. Suggest removal