You are also deflecting talking about benefits and indirect employment. Same old talking points and no supporting statistics. Have you done a comparison of the benefits indirect or otherwise of overcrowded schools and overextended resources? How about the cost to the economy when the money they earn is spent in illegal establishments that don't possibly pay VAT and the rest is sent out of the country? I still maintain that the average Bahamian does not benefit from illegal migration. Would the construction industry truly collapse or would they make less profits? If the cost of living were lower maybe Bahamians would be able to work these jobs or I guess they could choose to live like the illegal Haitians, which is the only other option. But chiding Bahamians for not accepting unlivable wages is ridiculous and having Haitians that are readily available to work for peanuts drives down that rate as well.
On the flipside, if Haitians were forced to pay market rent and utilities, many of them would run for the hills because that is defeating the purpose of their being in The Bahmas.
Are you serious? With the average property size being a mere 100 by something, and with many more Bahamians not even owning homes, it is time for you illegal immigrant deflectors to stop pointing fingers at people who are simply trying to make it in their own country. It is not the average Bahamian that keeps illegal immigrants employed and the shanty towns running. As always it is the haves who employ them and it is the haves who are protected. It isn't even about the Haitians. Of course Haitians can happily work for $2 an hour when they pay little to nothing in rent and steal utilities. Far be it for any Bahamian to want to make a liveable wage. I guess that is what you call having status.
What an ignorant tirade. No country is perfect. You can always find reasons to be proud and reasons to be ashamed. The Bahamian gene pool is already quite diverse, including mixing with Haitians. Many of whom sit on their illegal hinds and can’t even be bothered to get their papers straight. Like many Bahamians they expect the government to do everything, like rebuild their illegal shacks. And it is bad enough when Bahamians feel that way, but illegal immigrants? However, I agree that the average Haitian is probably much better than you. Haitians don’t blast their shith@le of a country when things don’t go their way. They fly their failed flags high right through the garbage that they allow to pile up in their illegal communities. You could learn a lot from them since that is what you admire so much.
What’s really stupid is to pin these things on nationality. People who support illegal immigration always trot out this mess calling the locals lazy and stupid. If you believe that of yourself, I believe you.
What laws are those exactly? At best, there is a gray area as to whether or not he should be allowed to apply for citizenship when the law provides an explicit window for such applications. And that is provided that he can provide proof of being born in the Bahamas. The only law that clearly applies to him is that the minister can grant him citizenship at his discretion.
The only fair comparison in your little story is that both men were negligent in their duties to sort out their citizenship. Jean-Rony Jean-Charles is not stateless. He is an automatic Haitian citizen who was possibly born in the Bahamas or arrived as a child, the latter of which means he was not even entitled to apply for citizenship. It also explains why he provided false information to authorities and can't seem to remember his DOB.
Secondly, if countries with much more resources can get it wrong sometimes then so can the Bahamas. This is how the process gets improved.
Clearly the FNM's plan was not to contest the ruling just like they failed to verify the questionable affidavit of their colleague, and had the AG himself defend the sketchy document. Perhaps the new director of immigration is as non-nonsense and by the book as they say. Only time will tell. The Outspoken QC must have known in advance when his client intended on travelling to Nassau and yet he chose to inform the AG while he was enroute? Not before hand? I am inclined to believe that the QC attempted to pull a fast one.
I recall reading the constitution and seeing that illegal entry and also residing illegally (I believe) are summary offences. Meaning that one is presumed guilty based on the circumstances, e. g. being caught red handed on a sloop or having no documented proof of legal residency. This is among the issues that need to be cleared up in a judicial review and not some rogue judge’s ruling.
Both he and Symonnette claim that they have not been following the matter. I believe them. They have both been clear on which people they support and it is not Bahamians. With no pressure or apparent interest from the top, brace yourself for yet another lackluster defense of the constitution.
A questionable judgment is being questioned, just as it should be. Now if you really want to see a bunch of e-lawyers in one place, check out the Bahamas passport holding Haitians on Facebook.
The losing side? This is not a game. There is a valid concern amongst Bahamians that the law was applied in a way that contradicts the constititution. No one suggested that illegal immigrants are the source of all problems in the Bahamas. However, it is a major problem and one that needs to be fixed with laws not christianity and emotions. That is how we got in this mess.
Cas0072 says...
You are also deflecting talking about benefits and indirect employment. Same old talking points and no supporting statistics. Have you done a comparison of the benefits indirect or otherwise of overcrowded schools and overextended resources? How about the cost to the economy when the money they earn is spent in illegal establishments that don't possibly pay VAT and the rest is sent out of the country? I still maintain that the average Bahamian does not benefit from illegal migration. Would the construction industry truly collapse or would they make less profits? If the cost of living were lower maybe Bahamians would be able to work these jobs or I guess they could choose to live like the illegal Haitians, which is the only other option. But chiding Bahamians for not accepting unlivable wages is ridiculous and having Haitians that are readily available to work for peanuts drives down that rate as well.
On the flipside, if Haitians were forced to pay market rent and utilities, many of them would run for the hills because that is defeating the purpose of their being in The Bahmas.
On Jean Rony released from custody
Posted 6 February 2018, noon Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
Are you serious? With the average property size being a mere 100 by something, and with many more Bahamians not even owning homes, it is time for you illegal immigrant deflectors to stop pointing fingers at people who are simply trying to make it in their own country. It is not the average Bahamian that keeps illegal immigrants employed and the shanty towns running. As always it is the haves who employ them and it is the haves who are protected. It isn't even about the Haitians. Of course Haitians can happily work for $2 an hour when they pay little to nothing in rent and steal utilities. Far be it for any Bahamian to want to make a liveable wage. I guess that is what you call having status.
On Jean Rony released from custody
Posted 6 February 2018, 8:51 a.m. Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
What an ignorant tirade. No country is perfect. You can always find reasons to be proud and reasons to be ashamed. The Bahamian gene pool is already quite diverse, including mixing with Haitians. Many of whom sit on their illegal hinds and can’t even be bothered to get their papers straight. Like many Bahamians they expect the government to do everything, like rebuild their illegal shacks. And it is bad enough when Bahamians feel that way, but illegal immigrants? However, I agree that the average Haitian is probably much better than you. Haitians don’t blast their shith@le of a country when things don’t go their way. They fly their failed flags high right through the garbage that they allow to pile up in their illegal communities. You could learn a lot from them since that is what you admire so much.
What’s really stupid is to pin these things on nationality. People who support illegal immigration always trot out this mess calling the locals lazy and stupid. If you believe that of yourself, I believe you.
On Jean Rony arrested on return, taken to Detention Centre
Posted 5 February 2018, 7:19 p.m. Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
What laws are those exactly? At best, there is a gray area as to whether or not he should be allowed to apply for citizenship when the law provides an explicit window for such applications. And that is provided that he can provide proof of being born in the Bahamas. The only law that clearly applies to him is that the minister can grant him citizenship at his discretion.
On Jean Rony released from custody
Posted 5 February 2018, 6:42 p.m. Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
The only fair comparison in your little story is that both men were negligent in their duties to sort out their citizenship. Jean-Rony Jean-Charles is not stateless. He is an automatic Haitian citizen who was possibly born in the Bahamas or arrived as a child, the latter of which means he was not even entitled to apply for citizenship. It also explains why he provided false information to authorities and can't seem to remember his DOB.
Secondly, if countries with much more resources can get it wrong sometimes then so can the Bahamas. This is how the process gets improved.
On Jean Rony arrested on return, taken to Detention Centre
Posted 5 February 2018, 8:57 a.m. Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
Clearly the FNM's plan was not to contest the ruling just like they failed to verify the questionable affidavit of their colleague, and had the AG himself defend the sketchy document. Perhaps the new director of immigration is as non-nonsense and by the book as they say. Only time will tell. The Outspoken QC must have known in advance when his client intended on travelling to Nassau and yet he chose to inform the AG while he was enroute? Not before hand? I am inclined to believe that the QC attempted to pull a fast one.
On Jean Rony arrested on return, taken to Detention Centre
Posted 5 February 2018, 8:40 a.m. Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
I recall reading the constitution and seeing that illegal entry and also residing illegally (I believe) are summary offences. Meaning that one is presumed guilty based on the circumstances, e. g. being caught red handed on a sloop or having no documented proof of legal residency. This is among the issues that need to be cleared up in a judicial review and not some rogue judge’s ruling.
On Jean Rony come home
Posted 2 February 2018, 6:53 p.m. Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
Both he and Symonnette claim that they have not been following the matter. I believe them. They have both been clear on which people they support and it is not Bahamians. With no pressure or apparent interest from the top, brace yourself for yet another lackluster defense of the constitution.
On Jean Rony come home
Posted 2 February 2018, 6:42 p.m. Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
A questionable judgment is being questioned, just as it should be. Now if you really want to see a bunch of e-lawyers in one place, check out the Bahamas passport holding Haitians on Facebook.
On BRING HIM HOME - Govt told: Fly Jean Rony back and grant status
Posted 31 January 2018, 7:53 p.m. Suggest removal
Cas0072 says...
The losing side? This is not a game. There is a valid concern amongst Bahamians that the law was applied in a way that contradicts the constititution. No one suggested that illegal immigrants are the source of all problems in the Bahamas. However, it is a major problem and one that needs to be fixed with laws not christianity and emotions. That is how we got in this mess.
On Judge orders govt to bring back Jean Rony Jean-Charles
Posted 31 January 2018, 7:25 a.m. Suggest removal