@Space-Shite this a good one! The Department of Immigration wanted principals to report students who were not regularized so that they could flush them out of the system, meaning the public schools. This all happened under the FNM http://www.thenassauguardian.com/index.…
Fred Mitchel's policy just mandates that students who register present an ID. But you f---king hypocrites had nothing to say then. Now you wanna open up your gullets??? Fed up Smith must have been vacationing in Timbuktu at the time. As I said before, false pretenders! i gat your song:
I did some more research for blind Space-"It should be noted that a lesser number of persons apprehended were released because they were in the country legally. The repatriation of the Haitian nationals at the Detention Centre will make a total of approximately 906 Haitians to be repatriated so far this year." Those words were uttered by Jack Thompson, then director of the Immigration Department. In one of your earlier statements you claim that the policy of pickup and detainment was ineffective. This was done under the FNM. Just like you mentioned in Mitchel's case some of those detained were legal. Not a word from you or Fred Smith chastising the government for false detainment or any of that good stuff. "I wish to reiterate what the Minster of Immigration has previously stated: “All persons who are here illegally are in contravention of the laws of The Bahamas, and are advised to return to their country of origin or be subject to apprehension and deportation.” Again this statement was issued by the Bahamas Department of Immigration. Quiet as a mouse, during the same raid under the FNM, that Fred man.
So the space wants proof of Fred Smith's biased ranting with Fred Mitchel. I have concluded that people would always be blind to seeing one other side of a coin when it fits their purpose. But anyway, in 2006 , Shane Gibson was the Minister of Immigration. During his watch, a Japanese man suffering from amnesia was unlawfully held in a Bahamas prison and an immigration centre for eight years without being charged. This man was later awarded $500 000. The lame response of Fred Smith at the time:"We cannot have a penal system where people get lost." He also said such "arbitrary and unlawful detainment has plagued the Bahamas for decades," especially for illegal immigrants." http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/amnesia…
So it seems that the good QC has recognized this problem for years. But now we are hearing him roar like a lion. I wonder where he got this sudden burst of energy from???Hmmm...
@Space-You wrote,"during the raids which took place around November more than half of those detained were released as they were legal residents or citizens... that doesn't sound very effective to me." Ahhhhh... the reason for the policies is to make it mandatory for everyone in the country to obtain some form of identification so that when there is a round-up people would be able to present their credentials when asked to do so. Or would you prefer that everything just keep going as it is now, not knowing who is residing in your country? . Further, it is apparent that you do not know much about the Haitian community. It seems as if you simply read the news and you draw your conclusion based on what is presented to you by the media. But do you realize that Haitians, living in the Bahamas, legal and illegals are the biggest perpetrators of falsifying documents. Did you know that during most of the raids immigration officers are always presented with many false documents, namely work permits, resident permits? So don't blame the immigration department for carrying out due course by detaining those who are suspected of holding false documents. You tell me- If you present what looks like a fake drivers license to a police officer, should you be held until it can be proven that the license is legit?
The crux of the matter is that there will always be reports of human abuse when it comes to trying to detain illegals. Some may be perceived as true while most will be smoke screens to try and discredit the enforcers who are coming after the illegals. Its a mixed bag of nuts folks. You can't enjoy the peanuts without the taste of the pretzels!
You tell me-You probably only read part of what I wrote. One of Fred Smith's complaints to the IACHR was illegal round ups. Wasn't round-ups done under the FNM and under Shane Gibson??? Why is it now an issue? I have no suggested reasons why anyone would dislike Mitchel as a person. But what I do have is evidence of people ignoring something that one government or minister did and are now making noise when another minister is doing the same thing. You don't find that questionable and hyprocritcal??? By the way, it is easy to say that a policy is not practical when you are not the person responsible for policy.making. I don't hear any practical suggestions coming from you or from any of the commenters who oppose these policies. Everyone is saying secure the border. Sure secure the border. But you people keep forgetting the AND. So... I say, secure the border AND get rid of all those illegals who snuck into this country. How do we identify the illegals? We introduce policies that's how.
I find it quite ludicrous that some would think that Fred Mitchel is in someway trying to create an unsafe atmosphere for the so called human rights critics by simply stating that "they have defamed this country’s name through irresponsible efforts that undermine the government’s ability to clamp down on illegal immigration." But the more I read these people's comments, the more I realize that they, like Fred Smith, are all great prentenders when it comes to this human rights issue. I am not a big fan of the PLP or Fred Mitchel, but I am honest enough to admit that the immigration policies that they are trying to introduce are imperative to at least putting a dent in the illegal haitian problem at this time of the game. However, let us put aside the meeting with the IACHR for a moment.
The FNM government was the first to do away with the travel documents. Under their tenure there were numerous reports about alleged human abuses at the Detention Centre. This issue did not just come into foreplay yesterday. This has been an ongoing problem. But what I find MOST interesting is that Fred Smith and the other bloggers who oppose Fred Mitchel's approach on this matter, were all on a holiday when Shane Gibson and Branville McCartney authorized numerous road blocks and round ups- Orrrrrrrrrrrr maybe they were too hoarse and were not able to speak at the time-Orrrrrrrrr maybe they were not able to purchase a computer at that time to write on these pages.
People stop the bullshit and come clean. Stop the false pretending. If you dislike Fred Mitchel as a person then simply state that and save the horseshit for those who do not know any better. If you really care about human rights abuses then stop choosing your battles. Humans are humans. Shoots, let's start with Fox Hell Prison. That place is a human abuse magnet. But oh yeah, I just remember. The majority of people there are bahamian criminals right? They deserve what they gat.
Tal, Economist has already given the solution. The following is what he wrote:
**"I would consider granting citizenship to those who have been here over twenty years and are making a valuable contribution to our society. Thirdly, I would consider granting residence, with the right to work in the business for which they are trained or skilled to those who had been here for over fifteen years and can show a connection with the country (Bahamian wife or husband with or without children). For those who have lived here for over ten years I would consider granting a work permit. Again they would also have to show a connection with the country (husband /wife)."**
But I and most Bahamians stand by one simple policy-If you came here illegally you should get nothing. You should be deported! It does not matter how long you were able to evade deportation. If all illegal Haitians were regulated in the Bahamas, then DonAnthony, Economist, DEDDIE and Voltaire would all come together to have one big celebration party.
Emac says...
@Space-Shite this a good one! The Department of Immigration wanted principals to report students who were not regularized so that they could flush them out of the system, meaning the public schools. This all happened under the FNM http://www.thenassauguardian.com/index.…
Fred Mitchel's policy just mandates that students who register present an ID. But you f---king hypocrites had nothing to say then. Now you wanna open up your gullets??? Fed up Smith must have been vacationing in Timbuktu at the time. As I said before, false pretenders! i gat your song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwtAGWW…
On Mitchell: Activists defamed country
Posted 23 March 2015, 6:23 p.m. Suggest removal
Emac says...
I did some more research for blind Space-"It should be noted that a lesser number of persons apprehended were released because they were in the country legally. The repatriation of the Haitian nationals at the Detention Centre will make a total of approximately 906 Haitians to be repatriated so far this year." Those words were uttered by Jack Thompson, then director of the Immigration Department. In one of your earlier statements you claim that the policy of pickup and detainment was ineffective. This was done under the FNM. Just like you mentioned in Mitchel's case some of those detained were legal. Not a word from you or Fred Smith chastising the government for false detainment or any of that good stuff. "I wish to reiterate what the Minster of Immigration has previously stated: “All persons who are here illegally are in contravention of the laws of The Bahamas, and are advised to return to their country of origin or be subject to apprehension and deportation.” Again this statement was issued by the Bahamas Department of Immigration. Quiet as a mouse, during the same raid under the FNM, that Fred man.
http://www.bahamaislandsinfo.com/index.…
On Mitchell: Activists defamed country
Posted 23 March 2015, 6:02 p.m. Suggest removal
Emac says...
So the space wants proof of Fred Smith's biased ranting with Fred Mitchel. I have concluded that people would always be blind to seeing one other side of a coin when it fits their purpose. But anyway, in 2006 , Shane Gibson was the Minister of Immigration. During his watch, a Japanese man suffering from amnesia was unlawfully held in a Bahamas prison and an immigration centre for eight years without being charged. This man was later awarded $500 000. The lame response of Fred Smith at the time:"We cannot have a penal system where people get lost." He also said such "arbitrary and unlawful detainment has plagued the Bahamas for decades," especially for illegal immigrants." http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/amnesia…
So it seems that the good QC has recognized this problem for years. But now we are hearing him roar like a lion. I wonder where he got this sudden burst of energy from???Hmmm...
On Mitchell: Activists defamed country
Posted 23 March 2015, 5:50 p.m. Suggest removal
Emac says...
@Space-You wrote,"during the raids which took place around November more than half of those detained were released as they were legal residents or citizens... that doesn't sound very effective to me." Ahhhhh... the reason for the policies is to make it mandatory for everyone in the country to obtain some form of identification so that when there is a round-up people would be able to present their credentials when asked to do so. Or would you prefer that everything just keep going as it is now, not knowing who is residing in your country? . Further, it is apparent that you do not know much about the Haitian community. It seems as if you simply read the news and you draw your conclusion based on what is presented to you by the media. But do you realize that Haitians, living in the Bahamas, legal and illegals are the biggest perpetrators of falsifying documents. Did you know that during most of the raids immigration officers are always presented with many false documents, namely work permits, resident permits? So don't blame the immigration department for carrying out due course by detaining those who are suspected of holding false documents. You tell me- If you present what looks like a fake drivers license to a police officer, should you be held until it can be proven that the license is legit?
The crux of the matter is that there will always be reports of human abuse when it comes to trying to detain illegals. Some may be perceived as true while most will be smoke screens to try and discredit the enforcers who are coming after the illegals. Its a mixed bag of nuts folks. You can't enjoy the peanuts without the taste of the pretzels!
On Mitchell: Activists defamed country
Posted 23 March 2015, 5:02 p.m. Suggest removal
Emac says...
You tell me-You probably only read part of what I wrote. One of Fred Smith's complaints to the IACHR was illegal round ups. Wasn't round-ups done under the FNM and under Shane Gibson??? Why is it now an issue? I have no suggested reasons why anyone would dislike Mitchel as a person. But what I do have is evidence of people ignoring something that one government or minister did and are now making noise when another minister is doing the same thing. You don't find that questionable and hyprocritcal??? By the way, it is easy to say that a policy is not practical when you are not the person responsible for policy.making. I don't hear any practical suggestions coming from you or from any of the commenters who oppose these policies. Everyone is saying secure the border. Sure secure the border. But you people keep forgetting the AND. So... I say, secure the border AND get rid of all those illegals who snuck into this country. How do we identify the illegals? We introduce policies that's how.
On Mitchell: Activists defamed country
Posted 23 March 2015, 3:52 p.m. Suggest removal
Emac says...
Wow very sad
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Emac says...
I feel that I need to dedicate a song for a few of the commenters here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyM8NVl…
On Mitchell: Activists defamed country
Posted 23 March 2015, 3:10 p.m. Suggest removal
Emac says...
I find it quite ludicrous that some would think that Fred Mitchel is in someway trying to create an unsafe atmosphere for the so called human rights critics by simply stating that "they have defamed this country’s name through irresponsible efforts that undermine the government’s ability to clamp down on illegal immigration." But the more I read these people's comments, the more I realize that they, like Fred Smith, are all great prentenders when it comes to this human rights issue. I am not a big fan of the PLP or Fred Mitchel, but I am honest enough to admit that the immigration policies that they are trying to introduce are imperative to at least putting a dent in the illegal haitian problem at this time of the game. However, let us put aside the meeting with the IACHR for a moment.
The FNM government was the first to do away with the travel documents. Under their tenure there were numerous reports about alleged human abuses at the Detention Centre. This issue did not just come into foreplay yesterday. This has been an ongoing problem. But what I find MOST interesting is that Fred Smith and the other bloggers who oppose Fred Mitchel's approach on this matter, were all on a holiday when Shane Gibson and Branville McCartney authorized numerous road blocks and round ups- Orrrrrrrrrrrr maybe they were too hoarse and were not able to speak at the time-Orrrrrrrrr maybe they were not able to purchase a computer at that time to write on these pages.
People stop the bullshit and come clean. Stop the false pretending. If you dislike Fred Mitchel as a person then simply state that and save the horseshit for those who do not know any better. If you really care about human rights abuses then stop choosing your battles. Humans are humans. Shoots, let's start with Fox Hell Prison. That place is a human abuse magnet. But oh yeah, I just remember. The majority of people there are bahamian criminals right? They deserve what they gat.
On Mitchell: Activists defamed country
Posted 23 March 2015, 3:04 p.m. Suggest removal
Emac says...
Tal, Economist has already given the solution. The following is what he wrote:
**"I would consider granting citizenship to those who have been here over twenty years and are making a valuable contribution to our society. Thirdly, I would consider granting residence, with the right to work in the business for which they are trained or skilled to those who had been here for over fifteen years and can show a connection with the country (Bahamian wife or husband with or without children). For those who have lived here for over ten years I would consider granting a work permit. Again they would also have to show a connection with the country (husband /wife)."**
But I and most Bahamians stand by one simple policy-If you came here illegally you should get nothing. You should be deported! It does not matter how long you were able to evade deportation. If all illegal Haitians were regulated in the Bahamas, then DonAnthony, Economist, DEDDIE and Voltaire would all come together to have one big celebration party.
On Govt says immigration claims 'bizarre and outlandish' at Washington hearing
Posted 23 March 2015, 11:58 a.m. Suggest removal
Emac says...
Ask Economist what is his solution to the problem.
On Govt says immigration claims 'bizarre and outlandish' at Washington hearing
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