Why should people go to the police and the courts to resolve conflict when violent aggression is evidently the way by which this Parliamentarian would resolve his conflicts.
bail (amendment) bill, 2016 1. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Bail (Amendment ) Act, 2016.
2. Insertion of new sections 12A and 12B in Ch. 103. The Bail Act is amended, by the insertion immediately after section 12, of the following new sections 12A and 12B –
“12A. Offence of violating conditions of bail. Any person who, having been released on bail in criminal proceedings and who breaches any conditions of bail, commits an offence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12B. Penalty for violating conditions of bail. (1) An offence under section 12 A is punishable On summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $50,000.00 or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding five years or to both such fine and term of imprisonment.
effectively... the law as noted makes it “an offence to breach a penalty because you breached it". This is an absurdity. The penalty for breaching any condition set down for bail is inherently and innate in the fact of the ‘bail’ itself.
Constitutionally there is no punishment involved with the decision and exercise of granting bail because, at first instance, it is not an entitled right for any accused person to get bail. It begins as discretion to be exercised by the court. The conditions set down for bail, which is the outcome of the courts’ discretion, do not become law on this simple fact - it only applies to that one individual. Therefore, not being a law, when it is breached, the accused cannot be punished for the breach – only the penalty that was agreed upon should consequential be applied - not any other judicial punishment.
The conditions that are set down by the court do not have the teeth of being laws. It is an understanding undertaken between the court, the guarantor of bail and the accused as to what may or may not happen if the accused does not comply.
If the accused does not comply with the conditions, the court is obliged to carry out what it said it would do in the event of non-compliance - consequently, in the extreme, the court can cancel the bail and have the accused arrested and held in custody until the date of their trial. Or, it can change the conditions for bail.
Constitutional law says a parliament is sovereign; hence, our Parliament has made it 'an offence to breach a penalty because you breached it'. This is an absurdity. It is irrational and beyond logic. The philosopher, Socrates, taught ‘the greatest punishment is where the least of the lesser of the people governs the country’. Should we continue to be governed by them?
My2cents, I can help with an input to the answer to your question "Is it that easy for criminals to start afresh in Bahamas?"
No it's not that easy for criminals to start fresh... and I take it by this you meant ex-convicts. But, rather, it is easy for 'Foreign' criminal/ex-convicts to get a "fresh start" in The Bahamas.
Bahamians are rather easily facilitated to remain criminals or become sissys, beggars or much less. It is offensive in The Bahamas to improve your outlook on life after leaving prison.
"Bahamians cannot sit still and allow this announced crusade against the Separation of Powers and the rule of law, strong components of a democratic state, to take place."
Yes Justice Thompson, Bahamian are inclined to sit by and watch this happen... There were other evil, unfair and atrocious happenings that occurred and that does occur... when it don't touch you'll, it meant nothing... now that the rooster has come to the door of the judiciary, I can now hear your loud clarion call...
Yesterday it was me... Today it is you... tomorrow it will be others... and so on, and so on, and so on...
Wickedness is wickedness no matter the form or the persons it is done to.
It is not just the legal bench should be regarded as such an institution of justice to stand up for... That place is of service to a certain class only.
We are not named or in association with Gregg Flowers and the likes who got a free pass from the "third branch of government"... we are but common people, with no big and illegal moneys.
However, we have had legitimate causes and we did not hear your voices lifted to defend our cries. We too should have been afforded your, and, everyone else attention and concern. Especially you who would now want to tally and spark a public outcry.
How is it now the blind fold comes off Lady Justice?
Furthermore, remember... they were just given 1.2 million dollars of riot gears... respectfully, I want to see those from among your crowd who are now willing to go and get the first taste of this.
When you'll a taste... tell us how it feel. We may then be inclined to come get some too. But now... don't try to climb up on our backs because there was quite many of us who needed to hear the concern for law and order as you are shouting out now. When we needed you'll to step up on our behalf... Not a word said... you'll stayed quiet.
Thought you got lost... "F%^& the PLP and f$%^ the corrupt a$$holes in CCA and China State Engineering that are lording over our corrupt politicians like the third world African style government jokers they are."
Man I gotta learn to tell lies... this is the in thing... and seem bound to propel one to success. After all, they making the headlines and we get to discus them. I have already completed law school... but does anyone wants to suggest a Lie Learning Institution I can attend???
Do you realized what you are saying asiseeit? As a child, First Consul Napoleon Bonaparte Uncle told him that he is bound to be a great world leader one day. When ask why... Uncle replied that Napoleon lied so much and so fluently as though it was his first and core nature.
Should I start praying for the Lord... to teach me how to lie too?
Godson says...
Excuse me but in case you didn't notice... only one of the heads in the picture above is gray... the other is supposedly dyed...
On Violate bail and you could get five years in prison
Posted 25 February 2016, 3:26 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
Correction; it is 'an offence to breach a penalty of bail because it has the title of penalty'.
On Violate bail and you could get five years in prison
Posted 25 February 2016, 3:21 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
Why should people go to the police and the courts to resolve conflict when violent aggression is evidently the way by which this Parliamentarian would resolve his conflicts.
Godson 'Nicodemus' Johnson
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Posted 25 February 2016, 2:39 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
bail (amendment) bill, 2016
1. Short title.
This Act may be cited as the Bail (Amendment ) Act, 2016.
2. Insertion of new sections 12A and 12B in Ch. 103.
The Bail Act is amended, by the insertion immediately after section 12, of the following new sections 12A and 12B –
“12A. Offence of violating conditions of bail.
Any person who, having been released on bail in criminal proceedings and who breaches any conditions of bail, commits an offence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
12B. Penalty for violating conditions of bail.
(1) An offence under section 12 A is punishable
On summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $50,000.00 or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding five years or to both such fine and term of imprisonment.
effectively... the law as noted makes it “an offence to breach a penalty because you breached it". This is an absurdity. The penalty for breaching any condition set down for bail is inherently and innate in the fact of the ‘bail’ itself.
Constitutionally there is no punishment involved with the decision and exercise of granting bail because, at first instance, it is not an entitled right for any accused person to get bail. It begins as discretion to be exercised by the court. The conditions set down for bail, which is the outcome of the courts’ discretion, do not become law on this simple fact - it only applies to that one individual. Therefore, not being a law, when it is breached, the accused cannot be punished for the breach – only the penalty that was agreed upon should consequential be applied - not any other judicial punishment.
The conditions that are set down by the court do not have the teeth of being laws. It is an understanding undertaken between the court, the guarantor of bail and the accused as to what may or may not happen if the accused does not comply.
If the accused does not comply with the conditions, the court is obliged to carry out what it said it would do in the event of non-compliance - consequently, in the extreme, the court can cancel the bail and have the accused arrested and held in custody until the date of their trial. Or, it can change the conditions for bail.
Constitutional law says a parliament is sovereign; hence, our Parliament has made it 'an offence to breach a penalty because you breached it'. This is an absurdity. It is irrational and beyond logic. The philosopher, Socrates, taught ‘the greatest punishment is where the least of the lesser of the people governs the country’. Should we continue to be governed by them?
Godson 'Nicodemus' Johnson
On Violate bail and you could get five years in prison
Posted 25 February 2016, 2:28 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
My2cents, I can help with an input to the answer to your question "Is it that easy for criminals to start afresh in Bahamas?"
No it's not that easy for criminals to start fresh... and I take it by this you meant ex-convicts. But, rather, it is easy for 'Foreign' criminal/ex-convicts to get a "fresh start" in The Bahamas.
Bahamians are rather easily facilitated to remain criminals or become sissys, beggars or much less. It is offensive in The Bahamas to improve your outlook on life after leaving prison.
On Cuban row
Posted 22 February 2016, 9:37 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
"Bahamians cannot sit still and allow this announced crusade against the Separation of Powers and the rule of law, strong components of a democratic state, to take place."
Yes Justice Thompson, Bahamian are inclined to sit by and watch this happen... There were other evil, unfair and atrocious happenings that occurred and that does occur... when it don't touch you'll, it meant nothing... now that the rooster has come to the door of the judiciary, I can now hear your loud clarion call...
Yesterday it was me... Today it is you... tomorrow it will be others... and so on, and so on, and so on...
Wickedness is wickedness no matter the form or the persons it is done to.
It is not just the legal bench should be regarded as such an institution of justice to stand up for... That place is of service to a certain class only.
We are not named or in association with Gregg Flowers and the likes who got a free pass from the "third branch of government"... we are but common people, with no big and illegal moneys.
However, we have had legitimate causes and we did not hear your voices lifted to defend our cries. We too should have been afforded your, and, everyone else attention and concern. Especially you who would now want to tally and spark a public outcry.
How is it now the blind fold comes off Lady Justice?
Furthermore, remember... they were just given 1.2 million dollars of riot gears... respectfully, I want to see those from among your crowd who are now willing to go and get the first taste of this.
When you'll a taste... tell us how it feel. We may then be inclined to come get some too. But now... don't try to climb up on our backs because there was quite many of us who needed to hear the concern for law and order as you are shouting out now. When we needed you'll to step up on our behalf... Not a word said... you'll stayed quiet.
For now... thanks, but no thanks.
Godson 'Nicodemus' Johnson
On Cuban row
Posted 22 February 2016, 8:07 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
Thought you got lost... "F%^& the PLP and f$%^ the corrupt a$$holes in CCA and China State Engineering that are lording over our corrupt politicians like the third world African style government jokers they are."
On WAS PM MISLED ON BAHA MAR? Chinese builder knew it was likely to miss deadline
Posted 22 February 2016, 7:55 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
Man I gotta learn to tell lies... this is the in thing... and seem bound to propel one to success. After all, they making the headlines and we get to discus them. I have already completed law school... but does anyone wants to suggest a Lie Learning Institution I can attend???
On WAS PM MISLED ON BAHA MAR? Chinese builder knew it was likely to miss deadline
Posted 22 February 2016, 7:49 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
Do you realized what you are saying asiseeit? As a child, First Consul Napoleon Bonaparte Uncle told him that he is bound to be a great world leader one day. When ask why... Uncle replied that Napoleon lied so much and so fluently as though it was his first and core nature.
Should I start praying for the Lord... to teach me how to lie too?
On WAS PM MISLED ON BAHA MAR? Chinese builder knew it was likely to miss deadline
Posted 22 February 2016, 7:46 p.m. Suggest removal
Godson says...
John, on this account, if I hold my breath would you'll promise to come to my funeral?
On PM: Postpone convention until after referendum
Posted 22 February 2016, 7:34 p.m. Suggest removal