> If Bahamians vote “yes” to the first bill women will be given the same rights as their male counterparts to bestow Bahamian nationality on their foreign husbands.
Bill 1 is for the children of Bahamian women, not the husbands of Bahamian women.
What would have been a more correct argument legally on Fred's part would be that the Constitution gives Parliament the authority to legislate marriage, and it does not restrict Parliament from legislating marriages such as same sex marriage or any other type of marriage because the Constitution is silent on the definition of marriage. The Constitution (Article 26) gives Parliament authority to discriminate in a number of laws - including marriage and divorce laws. Parliament does not have to discriminate, but it is explicitly given the authority to do so if it so chooses, and Article 26 (which is the Article under Bill#4) says nothing in that Article shall pertain to marriage and divorce laws. This means that whether Bill#4 passes or not, nothing now in nor added to that Article shall pertain to marriage laws or divorce laws. It is not correct on Fred's part to say the Constitution gives persons the right to same sex marriage. That is false and I don't know whether Fred knows that or not - with him you can never tell re: motive of commentary. The Constitution does not list marriage as a right at all, nor does it define marriage, nor does it restrict Parliament from legislating one type of marriage over another. Parliament has full authority to decide.
And why do these things keep happening? Because no one is ever made to pay for these crimes - and they are already crimes. No law needs to be passed to make them crimes. Things in this country will only get worse so long as lawlessness is accepted, tolerated and encouraged.
You're correct here @UserOne. Unfortunately, most Bahamians have #1 - never read the Constitution, much less Article 26 thereof, #2 - do not know that our Constitution and our Statute laws **only** and **always with no exception** classify sex as sex at birth, #3 - do not know that the Constitution (Article 15) already states that certain protections on the basis of sex is a right. It is impossible to try to explain what Article 26 is and what the Constitutional rationale is with persons who have never even read it to begin with. Such is life in The Bahamas. What most Bahamians do not understand is that whether Bill 4 passes or not, Parliament can legalize same sex marriage any time it wants to, because the Constitution leaves that decision up to the Parliament to decide. But again, **not knowing** something fundamental about one's Supreme Law seems to come along with one's birth certificate in our country.
I don't mean you any disrespect in saying this, but it never ceases to amaze me how Bahamians allow politics to literally cause them to see day as night and night as day. These four Bills were drafted, tabled and passed by the Ingraham administration. No matter how much we are justifiably sickened by this current administration, they are not the author of any of these four Bills and their bringing Ingraham's Bills forward do not suddenly change those Bills or the fact that these inequalities for the children of Bahamian women and men (Bills 1&3) and the spouses of Bahamian men and women (Bill 2) ought never have been written into our Constitution in the first place. If we really did not want spouses to have such a right, neither Bahamian men nor women ought to be given that right - yet it was given to the men and not the women - all of whom are Bahamian just the same. Despite the indisputable fact that these are previously passed Bills re-introduced, people still choose to see it differently simply because of politics. Ironic since some of us accuse transgender of refusing to accept the reality of what they really are and instead choosing to believe the opposite. If you don't agree with the Bills then so be it, but at-least let your opinion be based on fact and not delusion.
Throwing everything at the wall hoping something will stick. One topic he wont discuss though - grouper season - because you know he wants to stay as far away from another fish debate as possible.
Minnis already knew who had not filed because the report is given to both him and the Prime Minister, and the law gives him the authority to turn that information over to the AG and the Commissioner of Police. So he needs to have a stadium full of seats trying to piggyback off the Tribune's story for a headline of his own.
She is going to investigate the Auditor's Report? The Auditor **is the investigator**, and his report **is the result of the government's Constitutional investigation** into the Ministry.
And contrary to what was said by one of the persons at the press conference, transgender identity is **not** a **medical** condition. The APA, which previous diagnosed transgender identity as a mental disorder, currently defines this as dysphoria, meaning a transgender person in psychiatry and psychology is diagnosed as a person who has an extreme discomfort with the gender they in fact are. Medical science **does not** classify such persons as truly being the gender they believe they are. How they feel is how they feel, but it is not true or correct to say medical science affirms their belief as being biological fact.
> Ms Greene called on Bahamians to engage the LGBT community respectfully as the matters related to the constitutional referendum play out.
You are co-opting the referendum issues for your purposes but are demanding respect thereto. This is the kind of foolery that causes people to get irritated. This referendum has absolutely nothing to do with transgender etc rights, but you are trying to hijack the discussion knowing full well that the lack of knowledge, understanding or appreciation in the society for what the referendum is actually about would only help to fuel further misgivings.
Publius says...
> If Bahamians vote “yes” to the first bill women will be given the same rights as their male counterparts to bestow Bahamian nationality on their foreign husbands.
Bill 1 is for the children of Bahamian women, not the husbands of Bahamian women.
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Publius says...
What would have been a more correct argument legally on Fred's part would be that the Constitution gives Parliament the authority to legislate marriage, and it does not restrict Parliament from legislating marriages such as same sex marriage or any other type of marriage because the Constitution is silent on the definition of marriage. The Constitution (Article 26) gives Parliament authority to discriminate in a number of laws - including marriage and divorce laws. Parliament does not have to discriminate, but it is explicitly given the authority to do so if it so chooses, and Article 26 (which is the Article under Bill#4) says nothing in that Article shall pertain to marriage and divorce laws. This means that whether Bill#4 passes or not, nothing now in nor added to that Article shall pertain to marriage laws or divorce laws. It is not correct on Fred's part to say the Constitution gives persons the right to same sex marriage. That is false and I don't know whether Fred knows that or not - with him you can never tell re: motive of commentary. The Constitution does not list marriage as a right at all, nor does it define marriage, nor does it restrict Parliament from legislating one type of marriage over another. Parliament has full authority to decide.
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Publius says...
And why do these things keep happening? Because no one is ever made to pay for these crimes - and they are already crimes. No law needs to be passed to make them crimes. Things in this country will only get worse so long as lawlessness is accepted, tolerated and encouraged.
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Publius says...
You're correct here @UserOne. Unfortunately, most Bahamians have #1 - never read the Constitution, much less Article 26 thereof, #2 - do not know that our Constitution and our Statute laws **only** and **always with no exception** classify sex as sex at birth, #3 - do not know that the Constitution (Article 15) already states that certain protections on the basis of sex is a right. It is impossible to try to explain what Article 26 is and what the Constitutional rationale is with persons who have never even read it to begin with. Such is life in The Bahamas. What most Bahamians do not understand is that whether Bill 4 passes or not, Parliament can legalize same sex marriage any time it wants to, because the Constitution leaves that decision up to the Parliament to decide. But again, **not knowing** something fundamental about one's Supreme Law seems to come along with one's birth certificate in our country.
On Transgender plea for rights
Posted 27 April 2016, 10:34 p.m. Suggest removal
Publius says...
I don't mean you any disrespect in saying this, but it never ceases to amaze me how Bahamians allow politics to literally cause them to see day as night and night as day. These four Bills were drafted, tabled and passed by the Ingraham administration. No matter how much we are justifiably sickened by this current administration, they are not the author of any of these four Bills and their bringing Ingraham's Bills forward do not suddenly change those Bills or the fact that these inequalities for the children of Bahamian women and men (Bills 1&3) and the spouses of Bahamian men and women (Bill 2) ought never have been written into our Constitution in the first place. If we really did not want spouses to have such a right, neither Bahamian men nor women ought to be given that right - yet it was given to the men and not the women - all of whom are Bahamian just the same. Despite the indisputable fact that these are previously passed Bills re-introduced, people still choose to see it differently simply because of politics. Ironic since some of us accuse transgender of refusing to accept the reality of what they really are and instead choosing to believe the opposite. If you don't agree with the Bills then so be it, but at-least let your opinion be based on fact and not delusion.
On Transgender plea for rights
Posted 27 April 2016, 9:56 p.m. Suggest removal
Publius says...
Throwing everything at the wall hoping something will stick. One topic he wont discuss though - grouper season - because you know he wants to stay as far away from another fish debate as possible.
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Publius says...
Minnis already knew who had not filed because the report is given to both him and the Prime Minister, and the law gives him the authority to turn that information over to the AG and the Commissioner of Police. So he needs to have a stadium full of seats trying to piggyback off the Tribune's story for a headline of his own.
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Publius says...
She is going to investigate the Auditor's Report? The Auditor **is the investigator**, and his report **is the result of the government's Constitutional investigation** into the Ministry.
On Griffin: We will investigate auditor’s findings
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Publius says...
And contrary to what was said by one of the persons at the press conference, transgender identity is **not** a **medical** condition. The APA, which previous diagnosed transgender identity as a mental disorder, currently defines this as dysphoria, meaning a transgender person in psychiatry and psychology is diagnosed as a person who has an extreme discomfort with the gender they in fact are. Medical science **does not** classify such persons as truly being the gender they believe they are. How they feel is how they feel, but it is not true or correct to say medical science affirms their belief as being biological fact.
On Transgender plea for rights
Posted 27 April 2016, 8:40 p.m. Suggest removal
Publius says...
> Ms Greene called on Bahamians to engage the LGBT community respectfully as the matters related to the constitutional referendum play out.
You are co-opting the referendum issues for your purposes but are demanding respect thereto. This is the kind of foolery that causes people to get irritated. This referendum has absolutely nothing to do with transgender etc rights, but you are trying to hijack the discussion knowing full well that the lack of knowledge, understanding or appreciation in the society for what the referendum is actually about would only help to fuel further misgivings.
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