Yes but...most of the non pharmaceutical prevention methods you just mentioned - social distancing, masks (particularly cloth masks and with exception to n95s) - have been shown to be utterly ineffective in light of the fact COVID is airborne disease. This is ultimately more about the failure of the Bahamian health care system and national practices around diet and health, than the 'deadliness' of covid or the behaviour of it's citizens (plus seasonality)...
Compare deaths per million:
Sweden - no masks, no vax mandates, no curfews, no lockdowns.. Israel - masks, vaccine mandates, curfews, 80% vaxxed Bahamas - masks, school closures, curfews, school closed
Look at the outcomes - underlying health and health care of the nation have more to do with COVID mortality that any restrictions or preventive measures a nation can prescribe...
Definitely super spreader events and exposes the hypocrisy of both parties - people have been putting off weddings and funerals for 1.5 years and these idiots can't hold back for more than week before dancing on the back of trucks and holding cookout galore...Well hopefully it rips the bandaid off - endure what we most now with our crappy health care so as to persevere later...India case in point..wild infection hit 70% over the months of may/June and is now in the endemic part of the pandemic... Meanwhile Israel in spite massive vaccinations...is still in the top 3 in terms daily cases and occupied the top spot for 4 days strait...
**"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority."**
True but if they did something it would the same as if they did nothing.. so either way come end of the month we'll either have a corrupt government or a incompetent one...I don't which party best embodies either sentiment...I guess they're just two parts of the same coin..and we're screwed either way..
Bobby you're not reading my posts - I didn't say 'fully vaxxed' at all.. nor did I say I was blaming the vax...Details buddy.. try to keep up.. I am talking about first dose spikes in vaccination programs around the world. (Vietnam is actually at 18ish% as of September 1st daily sure it's 20% at the minute but thats a minor deet) i-t--h-a-s--h-a-p-p-e-n-e-d--everywere (mostly ; D) !
But for simplicity and cherry picking sake ; ) let's look at Cuba, Vietnam and Israel...
Oh bobby what did you get me on? You haven't provide any substantive research whatsoever (oh wait I just remember you don't like to cite your sources - silly me) to support any position - what is your position, by the way? Are you saying Israel's covid crisis has improved in spite of 80+% of their population receiving some form of vaccination? If so back it up..."show me the money!!!" As it stands (and it might change) average daily deaths are the same as they were this time last year and cases are considerably higher...toodle do sweety pie ; ) I'll wait...
oh one more point - you are forgetting to account for one more factor - it's not a binary vaxxed/not vaxxed comparison as their many persons that are elderly whose preconditions prohibit them from tolerating the vaccine - period - those same pre-conditions make them more vulnerable to fatality from covid...those persons continue to make up the bulk of covid of deaths. So a more suitable comparison would be those under certain age and perceived good health.. Age stratified vaccinated data is hard to come by but the Uk does provide it - check it out tell me your findings darling..
Still no gotcha bobby, I'll let you know when you do ; )
Does that change the outcome? As they transitioned from that less than 3% first dose in July to 20% to now - cases and deaths exponentially increased like they did every where else..."why" is the question..and will/is The Bahamas suffering from a similar phenomena?
Oh bobby, you're funny...almost cute with your "gotcha - nice try" antics lol It's actually called news - growth, followed by a incredulous peak - Israel has been the in the top 5 since August 20th, top 10 since august 8/9th, top 20 since August 4th...irrespective massive vaccinations that were heralded as an end of COVID etc etc
This is the first time it's on top the list which is why it's 'news' not cherry picking..
Of course there is a fine line between the two (which 'god knows' the media is soooo guilty of) which is why I substantiated my point with a point that you have had to concede and acknowledge, which is irrefutable - comparatively speaking at this point in time highly vaccinated Israel is not doing better in terms of cases than completely unvaccinated Israel at this time in their 'flu' season last year...
I wish it wasn't the case, I wish vaccination would bring an end to the insanity...but it seems....virus is gonna virus...
But keep on trying dear.. You'll 'gotcha' me soon ; )
Yeah check out Vietnam it's a head scratcher...I'm sure there is another factor but the vaccine program is the obvious differential...
whogothere says...
Yes but...most of the non pharmaceutical prevention methods you just mentioned - social distancing, masks (particularly cloth masks and with exception to n95s) - have been shown to be utterly ineffective in light of the fact COVID is airborne disease. This is ultimately more about the failure of the Bahamian health care system and national practices around diet and health, than the 'deadliness' of covid or the behaviour of it's citizens (plus seasonality)...
Compare deaths per million:
Sweden - no masks, no vax mandates, no curfews, no lockdowns..
Israel - masks, vaccine mandates, curfews, 80% vaxxed
Bahamas - masks, school closures, curfews, school closed
Look at the outcomes - underlying health and health care of the nation have more to do with COVID mortality that any restrictions or preventive measures a nation can prescribe...
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…
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whogothere says...
no election no mandate
no mandate no tax increases
no tax increases no loans
no loans no money
no money no way to win the election
no space for covid in this linear progression...
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whogothere says...
Definitely super spreader events and exposes the hypocrisy of both parties - people have been putting off weddings and funerals for 1.5 years and these idiots can't hold back for more than week before dancing on the back of trucks and holding cookout galore...Well hopefully it rips the bandaid off - endure what we most now with our crappy health care so as to persevere later...India case in point..wild infection hit 70% over the months of may/June and is now in the endemic part of the pandemic... Meanwhile Israel in spite massive vaccinations...is still in the top 3 in terms daily cases and occupied the top spot for 4 days strait...
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…
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whogothere says...
**"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority."**
1887, John Dalberg-Acton, Member of Parliament
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whogothere says...
True but if they did something it would the same as if they did nothing..
so either way come end of the month we'll either have a corrupt government or a incompetent one...I don't which party best embodies either sentiment...I guess they're just two parts of the same coin..and we're screwed either way..
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whogothere says...
By the way touché thisisours ;)
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whogothere says...
Bobby you're not reading my posts - I didn't say 'fully vaxxed' at all.. nor did I say I was blaming the vax...Details buddy.. try to keep up.. I am talking about first dose spikes in vaccination programs around the world. (Vietnam is actually at 18ish% as of September 1st daily sure it's 20% at the minute but thats a minor deet) i-t--h-a-s--h-a-p-p-e-n-e-d--everywere (mostly ; D) !
But for simplicity and cherry picking sake ; ) let's look at Cuba, Vietnam and Israel...
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/shar…
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…
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whogothere says...
Oh bobby what did you get me on? You haven't provide any substantive research whatsoever (oh wait I just remember you don't like to cite your sources - silly me) to support any position - what is your position, by the way? Are you saying Israel's covid crisis has improved in spite of 80+% of their population receiving some form of vaccination? If so back it up..."show me the money!!!" As it stands (and it might change) average daily deaths are the same as they were this time last year and cases are considerably higher...toodle do sweety pie ; ) I'll wait...
oh one more point - you are forgetting to account for one more factor - it's not a binary vaxxed/not vaxxed comparison as their many persons that are elderly whose preconditions prohibit them from tolerating the vaccine - period - those same pre-conditions make them more vulnerable to fatality from covid...those persons continue to make up the bulk of covid of deaths. So a more suitable comparison would be those under certain age and perceived good health.. Age stratified vaccinated data is hard to come by but the Uk does provide it - check it out tell me your findings darling..
Still no gotcha bobby, I'll let you know when you do ; )
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whogothere says...
Does that change the outcome? As they transitioned from that less than 3% first dose in July to 20% to now - cases and deaths exponentially increased like they did every where else..."why" is the question..and will/is The Bahamas suffering from a similar phenomena?
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whogothere says...
Oh bobby, you're funny...almost cute with your "gotcha - nice try" antics lol
It's actually called news - growth, followed by a incredulous peak - Israel has been the in the top 5 since August 20th, top 10 since august 8/9th, top 20 since August 4th...irrespective massive vaccinations that were heralded as an end of COVID etc etc
This is the first time it's on top the list which is why it's 'news' not cherry picking..
Of course there is a fine line between the two (which 'god knows' the media is soooo guilty of) which is why I substantiated my point with a point that you have had to concede and acknowledge, which is irrefutable - comparatively speaking at this point in time highly vaccinated Israel is not doing better in terms of cases than completely unvaccinated Israel at this time in their 'flu' season last year...
I wish it wasn't the case, I wish vaccination would bring an end to the insanity...but it seems....virus is gonna virus...
But keep on trying dear.. You'll 'gotcha' me soon ; )
Yeah check out Vietnam it's a head scratcher...I'm sure there is another factor but the vaccine program is the obvious differential...
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