Oh boy bobby, again always a pleasure...but really as usual you're quick to type without digesting what I'm posting.
1. You've made the point for me - "the marjority of the world's population are vaccinated against measles, chicken..etc so viruses struggle to get a foothold". That is precisely the issue with Covid Vaccines - we see it again again - in highly vaccinated populations where COVID infects, replicates and spreads in spite of high vaccinations rates.
2. It's called a vaccine, a loosely fits the definition of vaccine but mechanistically it operates very differently and is failing to deliver (a) the lengthy immunisation that vaccines traditionally deliver as demonstrated by the growth breakthrough infections and transmission among highly vaccinated populations and/or (b) effectively "the end of the pandemic". At best they reduce disease severity which is exactly what therapeutics/"treatments" do. Arguably in a way mRNA and carrier vaccines are closer to immunotherapy or therapeutic cancer "vaccines" than traditional immunisation.
3. Again you keep tripping over the facts - this (high vaccination rates) has not worked in many nations - Iceland, Israel, UK, Seychelles, Chile etc and now the USA is now seeing it (but I believe prior natural immunisation may lessening overall efficacy collapse of the vaccines). I think that the overall effectiveness/collapse of induced t-cell memory is being obscured by 1) seasonality 2) a less susceptible population given 2020 excess death and corresponding lack of excess death in 2021 3) viral evolution...
4. I have shared several studies/reports with you previously but Here we go:
Fundamentally people don't understand the deception at play... It is not that vaccines are ineffective is that they do not operate as vaccines should...
Take the CDC definition of vaccines:
"A vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first. This is what makes vaccines such powerful medicine. Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them."
Firstly they don't prevent the individual from getting the disease or transmitting it.
Secondly, it only treats the symptoms associated with disease and thus arguably more a 'treatment' than a vaccine.
Thirdly, Unlike measles and smallpox vaccines which provide immunity that lasts a lifetime it appears that as transmission goes you can reinfect and shed the virus as soon as 70 days (if not earlier) after vaccinations.
Forthly, the number of reinfections from COVID after natural infection are minimal but the breakthrough infections and immune escape in vaccinated are growing by the minute. If vaccines operate as they should - "exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease" as per the above definition - these breakthroughs should not be happening.
In sum Vaccines are meant to immunise the vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated stop the spread of the disease. Covid Vaccines don't do that - at all - so they can barely be called vaccines - they act as therapeutics. Furthermore because of the capacity of the Vaccinated transmit the virus but to enjoy more social freedoms than the unvaccinated they propagate clear and present to risk to increased transmission and the prolonging of the pandemic.
What is fascinating is that globally there is now the practice that any other perspective other than the narrative of what the ruling party supports has become a conspiracy theory or misinformation even if it is supported with fact. Politics and science have confused opinion with evidence and used the absence of evidence to politicise their opinion. Fascism and Communism are the primary political ideologies that support this practice.
The presence of a novel virus presented a vacuum of data. The vacuum was filled with political rhetoric and fear. Masks, Lockdowns, School Closures none of it supported by evidence and the same can be said for the vaccine exceptualism. All of it, without the support of evidence, reeks of the desperation of Leaders to appear effective against something they could not control; that panic was a mistake and likely cost lives, educations, life opportunities of the young, jobs and dozens of small businesses... The vaccine push ultimately tries to cover up those mistakes, because if society is able to beat COVID19 without vaccine and without the restrictions imposed on citizens...the credibility of medical/political community will be decimated...
Take the vaccine for 3-6 months protection, but ultimately you're taking it so the politicians can have an excuse to say they did something and give you back your life and freedoms in the hope and prayer that you'll vote for them one more time...
Alicia I love your work but you're way off on this one.. it's just doesn't reflect what we know about COVID after a year+ of data...
1. It's doesn't spread on surfaces (so save your disinfectant) 2. It's airborne (so masks and social distancing don't work) 3. It's disbursed by wind and killed by UV (so chances of infection outside are zilch) 4. It's spreads crowded air-conditioned rooms (so lockdowns - awful idea)
The task is simple - do seropravetlence study of every person in the country. Do it with anomity to encourage participation. Excluded those that are vaxxed if you want. At some point the only way out of this is to acknowledge natural immunity as a contributor if not the only lasting protection against the virus. It's that simple.
Recent survey in India identified that 67% of the nation has antibodies. Which overlaps with the few that have been vaccinated and brings the total with those protection against the disease to 70%. The hallowed 70% Team Minnis has been after since he started jabbing people...
Again not in England or Israel or countries that actually report on this....USA doesn't test new vaccinated entrants into hospital unless you have symptoms. So you go into hospital and die of a stroke if your vaccinated you died of stroke (though you may have had covid) - there is a much tighter screening process for unvaxxed...you go to hospital to get an elective surgery if you're vaxxed you don't get tested if you unvaxxed you do. And if you test positive you're hospitalised for covid... It's almost like they want the narrative to be that more unvaxxed are ending up in hospital..hmmm
Vaccines protect from hospitalisations and death (for maybe 3-6 months)
You forgot the last bit.. ;)
No pandemic? - nah you got to tell your peeps in power - they're only look at cases...they do have a plan for that though - if you're vaccinated they're not going to test you ;) so you can still die it just won't be called covid..
Funny - the side that tries to censor free speech generally isn't generally the side that you want making your decisions for you...glad the FNM haven't taken that stance yet and applaud the Tribune for continuing to be a platform that encourages expression, discussion and exchange of ideas.
At some point you got to take your head out of your ass and take the S**t out your brains and realise the country's the health system was crumbling before COVID and will continue to crumble after...with or without the vaccine. It is chronic. The reality is 70% of Bahamians (according to your dutiful Dr Minnis) have chronic disease. The burden of death from poor health decisions regarding diet and exercise (600+ annually) has and continues to be more than the disease of COVID-19 (200+ annually) and in fact exacerbate the damage the disease inflicts on our country.
At Don: You missed the point - our hospital was already full without covid, vaccinations are not going to stop that. And with cases exploding in Iceland despite then getting rid of emergency orders in June they're back and at point that they may now keep them in play for 15 years...30 folks died of COVID in Iceland - through the whole pandemic - they're healthier then Bahamians and have decent health care system. COVID only amplified and exposed the disaster our health care system is, but the Gov is trying (like it does with everything) to pass the buck on to COVID. Some of us are not fooled.
whogothere says...
Oh boy bobby, again always a pleasure...but really as usual you're quick to type without digesting what I'm posting.
1. You've made the point for me - "the marjority of the world's population are vaccinated against measles, chicken..etc so viruses struggle to get a foothold". That is precisely the issue with Covid Vaccines - we see it again again - in highly vaccinated populations where COVID infects, replicates and spreads in spite of high vaccinations rates.
2. It's called a vaccine, a loosely fits the definition of vaccine but mechanistically it operates very differently and is failing to deliver (a) the lengthy immunisation that vaccines traditionally deliver as demonstrated by the growth breakthrough infections and transmission among highly vaccinated populations and/or (b) effectively "the end of the pandemic". At best they reduce disease severity which is exactly what therapeutics/"treatments" do. Arguably in a way mRNA and carrier vaccines are closer to immunotherapy or therapeutic cancer "vaccines" than traditional immunisation.
3. Again you keep tripping over the facts - this (high vaccination rates) has not worked in many nations - Iceland, Israel, UK, Seychelles, Chile etc and now the USA is now seeing it (but I believe prior natural immunisation may lessening overall efficacy collapse of the vaccines). I think that the overall effectiveness/collapse of induced t-cell memory is being obscured by 1) seasonality 2) a less susceptible population given 2020 excess death and corresponding lack of excess death in 2021 3) viral evolution...
4. I have shared several studies/reports with you previously but Here we go:
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/artic…
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07…
www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-those-who-ino…
This papers supports the longevity of natural infection. Which as demonstrated as lacking in vaccines by the above reports and papers.
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medic…
The point is that Covid Vaccines are not delivering what they (Government and Media) promised - an end to the pandemic. Why is the question/deception?
On PM urges residents to ignore misinformation on vaccines
Posted 29 July 2021, 9:57 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Fundamentally people don't understand the deception at play... It is not that vaccines are ineffective is that they do not operate as vaccines should...
Take the CDC definition of vaccines:
"A vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first.
This is what makes vaccines such powerful medicine. Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them."
www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vpd-vac-basics…
The Covid vaccines don't operate like this;
Firstly they don't prevent the individual from getting the disease or transmitting it.
Secondly, it only treats the symptoms associated with disease and thus arguably more a 'treatment' than a vaccine.
Thirdly, Unlike measles and smallpox vaccines which provide immunity that lasts a lifetime it appears that as transmission goes you can reinfect and shed the virus as soon as 70 days (if not earlier) after vaccinations.
Forthly, the number of reinfections from COVID after natural infection are minimal but the breakthrough infections and immune escape in vaccinated are growing by the minute. If vaccines operate as they should - "exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease" as per the above definition - these breakthroughs should not be happening.
In sum Vaccines are meant to immunise the vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated stop the spread of the disease. Covid Vaccines don't do that - at all - so they can barely be called vaccines - they act as therapeutics. Furthermore because of the capacity of the Vaccinated transmit the virus but to enjoy more social freedoms than the unvaccinated they propagate clear and present to risk to increased transmission and the prolonging of the pandemic.
On PM urges residents to ignore misinformation on vaccines
Posted 29 July 2021, 9:47 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
What is fascinating is that globally there is now the practice that any other perspective other than the narrative of what the ruling party supports has become a conspiracy theory or misinformation even if it is supported with fact. Politics and science have confused opinion with evidence and used the absence of evidence to politicise their opinion. Fascism and Communism are the primary political ideologies that support this practice.
The presence of a novel virus presented a vacuum of data. The vacuum was filled with political rhetoric and fear. Masks, Lockdowns, School Closures none of it supported by evidence and the same can be said for the vaccine exceptualism. All of it, without the support of evidence, reeks of the desperation of Leaders to appear effective against something they could not control; that panic was a mistake and likely cost lives, educations, life opportunities of the young, jobs and dozens of small businesses... The vaccine push ultimately tries to cover up those mistakes, because if society is able to beat COVID19 without vaccine and without the restrictions imposed on citizens...the credibility of medical/political community will be decimated...
Take the vaccine for 3-6 months protection, but ultimately you're taking it so the politicians can have an excuse to say they did something and give you back your life and freedoms in the hope and prayer that you'll vote for them one more time...
On PM urges residents to ignore misinformation on vaccines
Posted 29 July 2021, 7:05 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Alicia I love your work but you're way off on this one.. it's just doesn't reflect what we know about COVID after a year+ of data...
1. It's doesn't spread on surfaces (so save your disinfectant)
2. It's airborne (so masks and social distancing don't work)
3. It's disbursed by wind and killed by UV (so chances of infection outside are zilch)
4. It's spreads crowded air-conditioned rooms (so lockdowns - awful idea)
On ALICIA WALLACE: Time to get serious again and follow the protocols – just like we did a year ago
Posted 28 July 2021, 10 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
The task is simple - do seropravetlence study of every person in the country. Do it with anomity to encourage participation. Excluded those that are vaxxed if you want. At some point the only way out of this is to acknowledge natural immunity as a contributor if not the only lasting protection against the virus. It's that simple.
Recent survey in India identified that 67% of the nation has antibodies. Which overlaps with the few that have been vaccinated and brings the total with those protection against the disease to 70%. The hallowed 70% Team Minnis has been after since he started jabbing people...
www.indianexpress.com/article/explained…
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whogothere says...
Again not in England or Israel or countries that actually report on this....USA doesn't test new vaccinated entrants into hospital unless you have symptoms. So you go into hospital and die of a stroke if your vaccinated you died of stroke (though you may have had covid) - there is a much tighter screening process for unvaxxed...you go to hospital to get an elective surgery if you're vaxxed you don't get tested if you unvaxxed you do. And if you test positive you're hospitalised for covid... It's almost like they want the narrative to be that more unvaxxed are ending up in hospital..hmmm
On Attorney: Amend laws for mandatory vaccine
Posted 28 July 2021, 8:50 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Whats Facebook?
Vaccines protect from hospitalisations and death (for maybe 3-6 months)
You forgot the last bit.. ;)
No pandemic? - nah you got to tell your peeps in power - they're only look at cases...they do have a plan for that though - if you're vaccinated they're not going to test you ;) so you can still die it just won't be called covid..
it's a good plan..
On Attorney: Amend laws for mandatory vaccine
Posted 28 July 2021, 8:41 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Funny - the side that tries to censor free speech generally isn't generally the side that you want making your decisions for you...glad the FNM haven't taken that stance yet and applaud the Tribune for continuing to be a platform that encourages expression, discussion and exchange of ideas.
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whogothere says...
Hospitals were full before Covid..surgurgies were cancelled before the pandemic...
www.tribune242.com/news/2020/jan/22/b...
Morgues were full before people were dying of covid.
www.tribune242.com/news/2018/apr/20/195…
At some point you got to take your head out of your ass and take the S**t out your brains and realise the country's the health system was crumbling before COVID and will continue to crumble after...with or without the vaccine. It is chronic. The reality is 70% of Bahamians (according to your dutiful Dr Minnis) have chronic disease. The burden of death from poor health decisions regarding diet and exercise (600+ annually) has and continues to be more than the disease of COVID-19 (200+ annually) and in fact exacerbate the damage the disease inflicts on our country.
http://caribbean-webcrat.blogspot.com/2…
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623
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whogothere says...
At Don: You missed the point - our hospital was already full without covid, vaccinations are not going to stop that. And with cases exploding in Iceland despite then getting rid of emergency orders in June they're back and at point that they may now keep them in play for 15 years...30 folks died of COVID in Iceland - through the whole pandemic - they're healthier then Bahamians and have decent health care system. COVID only amplified and exposed the disaster our health care system is, but the Gov is trying (like it does with everything) to pass the buck on to COVID. Some of us are not fooled.
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