Haha Bobby thats not a summary, it's a CDC 'to do' list - the CDC communication or messaging plan to somehow amplify some positive in spite of the fact that vaccines aren't working as well as they hoped..They have to renege on mask wearing for the vaxxed and possibly issue in vaccine mandates for HCPs...
If you are going to pick a cherries a least make sure they're on the tree..LOL Come buddy you can do better...
"Next steps for CDC
▪ Communications
– Acknowledge the war has changed
– Improve public’s understanding of breakthrough infections
– Improve communications around individual risk among vaccinated
• Risk of severe disease or death reduced 10-fold or greater in vaccinated • Risk of infection reduced 3-fold in vaccinated
Prevention
– Consider vaccine mandates for HCP to protect vulnerable populations – Universal masking for source control and prevention – Reconsider other community mitigation strategies"
Bobby always a pleasure..but again you're looking at the wrong figs again.. That good news was from Dec-April when it was glorious in the world of vaccines...good times were rolling...
You've got to scroll down to page 17
where the current news is..
"Delta variant vaccine breakthrough cases may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases"
"Barnstable County, MA, outbreak: No difference in mean Ct values in vaccinated and unvaccinated cases [median among vaccinated (n=80): 21.9; unvaccinated (n=65): 21.5]"
and in sum on page 19:
"Summary ▪ Delta is different from previous strains – Highly contagious – Likely more severe – Breakthrough infections may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases ▪ Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing infection or transmission – Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite vaccination ▪ NPIs are essential to prevent continued spread with current vaccine coverage"
Of course this is just the part of the picture they're looking at bottom line is efficacy is dropping.. and the further it drops the harder it will be to support the argument that Vaccines will get us to Herd Immunity...as per below
there is only person in ICU PMH...11 total in the country out 1613 active cases... (as July 27th) 99.3% are not in the ICU..96% of the active case aren't in hospital...(surely they aren't all vaxxed..?)
Do the little yellow cards stop from dying? No - The cards show if you have had the shot in an effort to allow normality for those have had the vaccine in order to bring an end to the pandemic (and to encourage those that have nothing to fear from virus because they are young and otherwise healthy to get the shot). That is irrelevant now. Vaccinated spread virus too. Oops..
"It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated."
So...not really up to us..Virus is going to virus..
And in other news looks like Fauci et al are caught with their pants down again fudging the numbers on vaccinated deaths - In May vaccinated deaths where 15% covid deaths (not 1%) (oops) and hospitalisation where around 9% (not 1%)(oops) - WP published an Internal CDC document discussing how the CDC where going to improving "messaging" around breakthrough infections which they have now subsequently admit that Vd/unVd carry similar viral loads. (Triple oops - oops cubed).. We should note in May delta spread was minimal - so attributing immune escape due to the variant might be challenging...
Really again this sidesteps the point - vaccines have proven to to be effective in 'the short term' - 70 days there abouts but further out the evidence is mounting that efficacy collapses, breakthrough infections increase, and the older vaccinated or not unfortunately succumb. In the UK data is clear basically if you're under 50 the chances of death from the Delta strain are statically zero. If you over 50 the CFI is greater in those that are vaccinated. If you're young and healthy really seems by the limited data available to give a lasting and longer immunity.
whogothere says...
Haha Bobby thats not a summary, it's a CDC 'to do' list - the CDC communication or messaging plan to somehow amplify some positive in spite of the fact that vaccines aren't working as well as they hoped..They have to renege on mask wearing for the vaxxed and possibly issue in vaccine mandates for HCPs...
If you are going to pick a cherries a least make sure they're on the tree..LOL Come buddy you can do better...
"Next steps for CDC
▪ Communications
– Acknowledge the war has changed
– Improve public’s understanding of breakthrough infections
– Improve communications around individual risk among vaccinated
• Risk of severe disease or death reduced 10-fold or greater in vaccinated
• Risk of infection reduced 3-fold in vaccinated
Prevention
– Consider vaccine mandates for HCP to protect vulnerable populations
– Universal masking for source control and prevention
– Reconsider other community mitigation strategies"
On EDITORIAL: Prime Minister says it’s up to us
Posted 31 July 2021, 3:48 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Spot on - we've collectively forgotten that people used to be sick...your 'constitution' was always a big factor on the severity...(bush tea aside)
On A COMIC'S VIEW: What does Opposition really want?
Posted 31 July 2021, 9:27 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
No it's endemic at this point (perhaps always) but we weren't testing...
On A COMIC'S VIEW: What does Opposition really want?
Posted 31 July 2021, 9:25 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Bobby always a pleasure..but again you're looking at the wrong figs again..
That good news was from Dec-April when it was glorious in the world of vaccines...good times were rolling...
You've got to scroll down to page 17
where the current news is..
"Delta variant vaccine breakthrough cases may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases"
"Barnstable County, MA, outbreak: No difference in mean Ct values in vaccinated and unvaccinated cases [median among vaccinated (n=80): 21.9; unvaccinated (n=65): 21.5]"
and in sum on page 19:
"Summary
▪ Delta is different from previous strains – Highly contagious
– Likely more severe
– Breakthrough infections may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases
▪ Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing infection or transmission
– Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite
vaccination
▪ NPIs are essential to prevent continued spread with current vaccine coverage"
Of course this is just the part of the picture they're looking at bottom line is efficacy is dropping.. and the further it drops the harder it will be to support the argument that Vaccines will get us to Herd Immunity...as per below
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a…
On EDITORIAL: Prime Minister says it’s up to us
Posted 30 July 2021, 9:37 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
As I posted earlier...
"Vaccinated people infected by Delta variant appeared to carry as much virus as those in unvaccinated cases"
Oops.. So I guess all those little yellow cards are useless..
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-says...">https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-says...
On A tsunami of lies about vaccines
Posted 30 July 2021, 6:56 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
there is only person in ICU PMH...11 total in the country out 1613 active cases... (as July 27th) 99.3% are not in the ICU..96% of the active case aren't in hospital...(surely they aren't all vaxxed..?)
On EDITORIAL: Prime Minister says it’s up to us
Posted 30 July 2021, 3:51 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Do the little yellow cards stop from dying? No - The cards show if you have had the shot in an effort to allow normality for those have had the vaccine in order to bring an end to the pandemic (and to encourage those that have nothing to fear from virus because they are young and otherwise healthy to get the shot). That is irrelevant now. Vaccinated spread virus too. Oops..
On EDITORIAL: Prime Minister says it’s up to us
Posted 30 July 2021, 3:35 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
"It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated."
www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/2…
So...not really up to us..Virus is going to virus..
And in other news looks like Fauci et al are caught with their pants down again fudging the numbers on vaccinated deaths - In May vaccinated deaths where 15% covid deaths (not 1%) (oops) and hospitalisation where around 9% (not 1%)(oops) - WP published an Internal CDC document discussing how the CDC where going to improving "messaging" around breakthrough infections which they have now subsequently admit that Vd/unVd carry similar viral loads. (Triple oops - oops cubed).. We should note in May delta spread was minimal - so attributing immune escape due to the variant might be challenging...
https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/…
On EDITORIAL: Prime Minister says it’s up to us
Posted 30 July 2021, 2:56 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
"Vaccinated people infected by Delta variant appeared to carry as much virus as those in unvaccinated cases"
Oops.. So I guess all those little yellow cards are useless..
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-says-n…
On EDITORIAL: Prime Minister says it’s up to us
Posted 30 July 2021, 2:32 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Really again this sidesteps the point - vaccines have proven to to be effective in 'the short term' - 70 days there abouts but further out the evidence is mounting that efficacy collapses, breakthrough infections increase, and the older vaccinated or not unfortunately succumb. In the UK data is clear basically if you're under 50 the chances of death from the Delta strain are statically zero. If you over 50 the CFI is greater in those that are vaccinated. If you're young and healthy really seems by the limited data available to give a lasting and longer immunity.
On PM urges residents to ignore misinformation on vaccines
Posted 29 July 2021, 10:19 p.m. Suggest removal