Straight from your gov - tommy the data is what is what is- more people over the age 50 that were vaccinated have died of the delta virus than those that were vaccinated.. more were hospitalized too...sorry bud and I’ll take a bovine apology if you please ;) - I m a black Bahamian with PhD too ;)
But tommy the data is what is what is- more people over the age 50 that were vaccinated have died of the delta virus than those that were vaccinated.. more were hospitalized too...sorry bud and I’ll take a bovine apology if you please ;) - I m a black Bahamian with PhD too ;)
> There have been many new variants of the virus and there will be more. We were taught in medical school how quickly a virus adapts to efforts to stop its spread, especially when a large number of people remain unvaccinated. This is why it is important for as many people to get vaccinated as quickly as possible. This is the most effective way to address and to show the spread of a virus and its variants.
But Dr Minnis variants are not the whole issue - it is also the fact that the Vaccine you're peddling is loosing its effectiveness against those variants... As Israel gets ready for booster 3 - and more variants circle the globe are you really going to and can The Bahamas afford to provide thrice annual shots just so it's citizens can participate in soceity?
"Data released by the Health Ministry on Thursday suggested that people vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April the effectiveness was at 75%"
The futility of it all...85% percent of the population over the age 16 (which is basically the same as The Bahamas) is vaccinated...Everything has been theatre and now the stage is falling down..
Let's remember trials showed this outcome; they should have expected it, but they were too busy trying to convince participators they didn't want to admit the shortfalls..
"All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. "
"It is crystal clear that the vaccine did not provide sterilizing immunity to the virus challenge, the gold standard for any vaccine. It may provide partial protection. The question then becomes: Will partial protection be enough to control the COVID-19 pandemic? That is an open question."
Well what's interesting is that in the UK (like in India) you had steep infections with Delta wave and corresponding very little death. Why? Is it Delta just not a killer? Was it Vaccines paying dividends? Prior immunity from infection kicking in?
We know in India it had nothing to do with vaccines - only 3% were vaccinated...We now know that have 67% (roughly 871 million people) of the India population (1.366 billion) have antibodies after the last wave.. and only 400k COVID deaths -
(side note excess death in India is 4 Million - so while covid deaths are likely undercounted there is likely a huge majority attributed burden of mortality that maybe lockdown/panic deaths) -
which might lead one to conclude immunisation through natural infection (and without pandemic panic) may have been proven to far more effective than vaccination and bring cases/death under control.
England has some of the best Data available - breaking down not only which variant, but seriousness of hospitalisation and whether or not hospitalisation coincided with the sample taking (therefore indicating hospitalisation for something other than covid).. Of note that the delta wave was entirely pandemic of the young (90% - 205k out of 229k) 50% of who where vaccinated. Of the under 50 cohort there was no discernible difference between if fatality between those that were vaccinated (4 out of 15k) and not vaccinated (34 out of 119k) and the infection hospitalisation rate (IHR) was almost identical. Of the over 50 cohort vaccinated and partially vaccinated deaths out number unvaccinated deaths almost 2 to 1 and IHR was nearly 3 to 1. Vaccinated death in fact this makes up the majority of the fatality associated with Delta Virus as statically speaking the chances of death if under 50 are basically zero.
In the UK instance vaccination has failed to protect the most vulnerable sectors of society (from the delta variant) and made no major difference to mortality outcomes the younger population.
In my opinion jury is still out on the vaccine..and I'd add that thankfully there are people that are not getting vaccinated so a least we have a control arm in this insane experiment.
The numbers are just stupid - 90% of Bahamians are unvaccinated of course they're going to make a larger portion of those ending up in hospital. In the UK more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people died of delta then unvaccinated.
Is vaccination the way out the pandemic? Really? Riddle me this - 4 countries USA, UK, Germany and Israel cases all peaked on essentially the same week in mid January -
And then all simultaneously lost 90% their cases over three weeks. At that point Israel had vaccinated 45%, USA 10% and UK 10% and Germany 3% - Vaccines - nah.. Try again..
The trials showed this would happen; the question is why it turned up in the Monkey trials but didn't in the human trials....? Somebody hiding something? Or just conveniently overlooked? How would this information (if demonstrated in human trials) have affected Vaccine Roll out...
Big oops!
May 20th 2020 - Dr Elanor Riley :
“Whilst the vaccine induced neutralising antibodies and vaccinated animals experienced less severe clinical symptoms than unvaccinated animals (good), the neutralising antibody titres were low and insufficient to prevent infection and – importantly – insufficient to prevent viral shedding in nasal secretions (worrying).
“If similar results were obtained in humans, the vaccine would likely provide partial protection against disease in the vaccine recipient but would be unlikely to reduce transmission in the wider community.”
Well breakthrough cases are low really because they re not testing vaccinated people...we ll know more about them when policy testing changes or alternatively the immune memory inferred by vaccines falls off...but bottom line covid is an now endemic disease at this point - it will always be with us. The mistakes our politicians made will be too (though they want to forget as quick as they can).
Hmm I m not sure we can love and refer any politicians in our country...but hey thats just me...Minnis has been death a crap hand for sure between the hurricanes and covid and by there are by no means any easy solutions to the complex problems...but the easiest solution was simply not to get caught up in the panic....
I don't know of any conspiracies I've posted? Nah not into Bills Gates, microchips, "the great reset". I've presented data and facts - and enjoy a good discussion and am actually (in all seriousness) have an open mind. The data doesn't support the claim COVID can be defeated by vaccination - most advocates ignore seasonality and population dynamics - just like the data doesn't support mask mandates, lockdowns or school closures or pretty much the government has done since this thing started a year and half ago. Give me alternative facts I'm open to alternative opinions.
I've actually had covid and I'm actually vaccinated (so actually do care if they work) and I know three people that have unpleasant side effects, I live in The Bahamas and have seen first hand the hardship that lockdowns imposed and not mention the hardship of income loss and erosion personal freedoms etc.
It's not like Neo-medical-colonialism is that big a deal.. but bobby you do you - good luck with those beetles ; )
whogothere says...
Straight from your gov - tommy the data is what is what is- more people over the age 50 that were vaccinated have died of the delta virus than those that were vaccinated.. more were hospitalized too...sorry bud and I’ll take a bovine apology if you please ;) - I m a black Bahamian with PhD too ;)
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whogothere says...
But tommy the data is what is what is- more people over the age 50 that were vaccinated have died of the delta virus than those that were vaccinated.. more were hospitalized too...sorry bud and I’ll take a bovine apology if you please ;) - I m a black Bahamian with PhD too ;)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u…
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whogothere says...
> There have been many new variants of the virus and there will be more. We were taught in medical school how quickly a virus adapts to efforts to stop its spread, especially when a large number of people remain unvaccinated. This is why it is important for as many people to get vaccinated as quickly as possible. This is the most effective way to address and to show the spread of a virus and its variants.
But Dr Minnis variants are not the whole issue - it is also the fact that the Vaccine you're peddling is loosing its effectiveness against those variants... As Israel gets ready for booster 3 - and more variants circle the globe are you really going to and can The Bahamas afford to provide thrice annual shots just so it's citizens can participate in soceity?
"Data released by the Health Ministry on Thursday suggested that people vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April the effectiveness was at 75%"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-those…
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whogothere says...
The futility of it all...85% percent of the population over the age 16 (which is basically the same as The Bahamas) is vaccinated...Everything has been theatre and now the stage is falling down..
Let's remember trials showed this outcome; they should have expected it, but they were too busy trying to convince participators they didn't want to admit the shortfalls..
"All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. "
"It is crystal clear that the vaccine did not provide sterilizing immunity to the virus challenge, the gold standard for any vaccine. It may provide partial protection. The question then becomes: Will partial protection be enough to control the COVID-19 pandemic? That is an open question."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhas…
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whogothere says...
Well what's interesting is that in the UK (like in India) you had steep infections with Delta wave and corresponding very little death. Why? Is it Delta just not a killer? Was it Vaccines paying dividends? Prior immunity from infection kicking in?
We know in India it had nothing to do with vaccines - only 3% were vaccinated...We now know that have 67% (roughly 871 million people) of the India population (1.366 billion) have antibodies after the last wave.. and only 400k COVID deaths -
(side note excess death in India is 4 Million - so while covid deaths are likely undercounted there is likely a huge majority attributed burden of mortality that maybe lockdown/panic deaths) -
which might lead one to conclude immunisation through natural infection (and without pandemic panic) may have been proven to far more effective than vaccination and bring cases/death under control.
England has some of the best Data available - breaking down not only which variant, but seriousness of hospitalisation and whether or not hospitalisation coincided with the sample taking (therefore indicating hospitalisation for something other than covid).. Of note that the delta wave was entirely pandemic of the young (90% - 205k out of 229k) 50% of who where vaccinated. Of the under 50 cohort there was no discernible difference between if fatality between those that were vaccinated (4 out of 15k) and not vaccinated (34 out of 119k) and the infection hospitalisation rate (IHR) was almost identical. Of the over 50 cohort vaccinated and partially vaccinated deaths out number unvaccinated deaths almost 2 to 1 and IHR was nearly 3 to 1. Vaccinated death in fact this makes up the majority of the fatality associated with Delta Virus as statically speaking the chances of death if under 50 are basically zero.
In the UK instance vaccination has failed to protect the most vulnerable sectors of society (from the delta variant) and made no major difference to mortality outcomes the younger population.
In my opinion jury is still out on the vaccine..and I'd add that thankfully there are people that are not getting vaccinated so a least we have a control arm in this insane experiment.
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whogothere says...
The numbers are just stupid - 90% of Bahamians are unvaccinated of course they're going to make a larger portion of those ending up in hospital. In the UK more vaccinated and partially vaccinated people died of delta then unvaccinated.
Is vaccination the way out the pandemic? Really? Riddle me this - 4 countries USA, UK, Germany and Israel cases all peaked on essentially the same week in mid January -
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…
And then all simultaneously lost 90% their cases over three weeks. At that point Israel had vaccinated 45%, USA 10% and UK 10% and Germany 3% - Vaccines - nah.. Try again..
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…
And let's not mention India beating the ol Delta with only 3% vaccinated and minimal death relative to population size.
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whogothere says...
The trials showed this would happen; the question is why it turned up in the Monkey trials but didn't in the human trials....? Somebody hiding something? Or just conveniently overlooked? How would this information (if demonstrated in human trials) have affected Vaccine Roll out...
Big oops!
May 20th 2020 - Dr Elanor Riley :
“Whilst the vaccine induced neutralising antibodies and vaccinated animals experienced less severe clinical symptoms than unvaccinated animals (good), the neutralising antibody titres were low and insufficient to prevent infection and – importantly – insufficient to prevent viral shedding in nasal secretions (worrying).
“If similar results were obtained in humans, the vaccine would likely provide partial protection against disease in the vaccine recipient but would be unlikely to reduce transmission in the wider community.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal…
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whogothere says...
Well breakthrough cases are low really because they re not testing vaccinated people...we ll know more about them when policy testing changes or alternatively the immune memory inferred by vaccines falls off...but bottom line covid is an now endemic disease at this point - it will always be with us. The mistakes our politicians made will be too (though they want to forget as quick as they can).
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whogothere says...
Hmm I m not sure we can love and refer any politicians in our country...but hey thats just me...Minnis has been death a crap hand for sure between the hurricanes and covid and by there are by no means any easy solutions to the complex problems...but the easiest solution was simply not to get caught up in the panic....
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whogothere says...
I don't know of any conspiracies I've posted? Nah not into Bills Gates, microchips, "the great reset". I've presented data and facts - and enjoy a good discussion and am actually (in all seriousness) have an open mind. The data doesn't support the claim COVID can be defeated by vaccination - most advocates ignore seasonality and population dynamics - just like the data doesn't support mask mandates, lockdowns or school closures or pretty much the government has done since this thing started a year and half ago. Give me alternative facts I'm open to alternative opinions.
I've actually had covid and I'm actually vaccinated (so actually do care if they work) and I know three people that have unpleasant side effects, I live in The Bahamas and have seen first hand the hardship that lockdowns imposed and not mention the hardship of income loss and erosion personal freedoms etc.
It's not like Neo-medical-colonialism is that big a deal.. but bobby you do you - good luck with those beetles ; )
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