Virus is going to virus. Delta isn't as deadly too old folks. People have antibodies... And if you're vaccinate you can still pass the virus on but the government just doesn't know because they don't test the 'vaccinated'... Orders need to end because they 're not grounded in science, make know sense and keeping them up only pours acid on the tatters of what little (if any) credibility might still exist in the minds of the Bahamian populace. What protocols should follow? A focus on building back better - less hand outs for foreign developers, build up Bahamians business and stop pissing a way hard earned tax dollars on consultancy firms...recognise local knowledge and the strength of each island instead of trying to cookie cutter new providence style development for every island of The Bahamas (yeah you can start with cancel the home-porting experiment)
Yeah but if he didn't get run over (ie just fell in the road) then who knows if COVID would have killed him...What a coroner would know for sure is he/she got squished and that is where he/she met their end...if not hit by a car they may have simple collapsed got to hospital got O2 or ventilated and fully recovered.
On the subject of Obesity again we can work off the data - the last thorough study of mortality in The Bahamas was 2014 and that illustrated that over 600 persons perished from cardiovascular related diseases - the side effect of lifestyle - poor diet, lack of exercise etc..so you have 600 people (probably more that are going to die every year in Bahamas from just those diseases alone - 1/3 of what COVID as impacted in 1.5 years.. It's highly probably that COVID may killed a considerable amount of people that were likely to die anyway..what a lot of people don't realise is that the average of mortality for C19 is in high 70s early 80s which is the same as average life expectancy. Put simply COVID is just killing people that were likely perish it anyway, but through the flu, cardiac vascular disease, HIV, cancer etc...We see this around the world Italy, US, Uk, France etc some 90+% of the "COVID" had severe underlying co-morbidities..
COVID ain't a player it just plays the game well..
And well... the media, Govs, massive pharmaceutical corporations have exploited this to their respective agendas - clicks, control and profit...
Really it’s not so simple - there are primary and secondary factors. If someone smokes a pack a day for 40 years, gets lung cancer, then catches covid, then dies...all of these factors must be considered...was it the smokes, the cancer, or the covid...? Ultimately covid put them over the edge but flu or any other infection could have as well..However in your/dr sands example it’s a little more straightforward- I m going to go with blunt force trauma and probably severe internal organ damage after being hit with a car...just saying..
Why on earth aren’t we doing an national antibody test?
Latest from Israel 40% of those cases in the new wave of covid were doubled vaccinated...versus less than 1% reinfections or that were known to have COVID...
It has emergency use approval only..(which is only approved if no over treatment is available - you can understand why they stick their fingers in their ears if you starting saying things like vitamin D or Hydroxychloroquine) And RNA Vaccine technology never used.. therefore yes it's experimental..
You suggested looking at the "rate of infections" before and after the vaccination process. As you have noted this graph illustrates the rate of change in infections and therefore illustrates after the lull when Israel maxed out their vax program in around may - cases have now started to sharply increase. However you seem to be conflating test positivity with the rate of infection. Test positivity is simply the number of tests conducted at one time rather than relative increase or decrease of infections over a period of time. The protocols around testing will be more impactful to that number...The infection rate /Ro is defined as the net increase/decrease over a period of time divided by the population and is therefore a more accurate measure of the rate of infection (but testing policies do have a similar impact). Given that seasonal factors also come into play comparing January to July seems redundant, whereas comparing summer 2020 cases of pre-vaxed Israel to summer 2021 when 60+% were vaxed is more interesting.
June 30th 2020 Daily cases were around 500... As of Today daily cases are around the same...
If the this spike continues it would appear that the statement that "Israel vaccinated and is back in pandemic" holds water.. However it could be short spike that quickly subsides and also accompanied by very little death or hospitalisation - I certainly hope it's the former...
whogothere says...
Virus is going to virus. Delta isn't as deadly too old folks. People have antibodies... And if you're vaccinate you can still pass the virus on but the government just doesn't know because they don't test the 'vaccinated'... Orders need to end because they 're not grounded in science, make know sense and keeping them up only pours acid on the tatters of what little (if any) credibility might still exist in the minds of the Bahamian populace. What protocols should follow? A focus on building back better - less hand outs for foreign developers, build up Bahamians business and stop pissing a way hard earned tax dollars on consultancy firms...recognise local knowledge and the strength of each island instead of trying to cookie cutter new providence style development for every island of The Bahamas (yeah you can start with cancel the home-porting experiment)
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whogothere says...
Yeah but if he didn't get run over (ie just fell in the road) then who knows if COVID would have killed him...What a coroner would know for sure is he/she got squished and that is where he/she met their end...if not hit by a car they may have simple collapsed got to hospital got O2 or ventilated and fully recovered.
On the subject of Obesity again we can work off the data - the last thorough study of mortality in The Bahamas was 2014 and that illustrated that over 600 persons perished from cardiovascular related diseases - the side effect of lifestyle - poor diet, lack of exercise etc..so you have 600 people (probably more that are going to die every year in Bahamas from just those diseases alone - 1/3 of what COVID as impacted in 1.5 years.. It's highly probably that COVID may killed a considerable amount of people that were likely to die anyway..what a lot of people don't realise is that the average of mortality for C19 is in high 70s early 80s which is the same as average life expectancy. Put simply COVID is just killing people that were likely perish it anyway, but through the flu, cardiac vascular disease, HIV, cancer etc...We see this around the world Italy, US, Uk, France etc some 90+% of the "COVID" had severe underlying co-morbidities..
COVID ain't a player it just plays the game well..
And well... the media, Govs, massive pharmaceutical corporations have exploited this to their respective agendas - clicks, control and profit...
On 17 new COVID related deaths reported
Posted 16 July 2021, 7:38 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
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On 17 new COVID related deaths reported
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whogothere says...
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On 17 new COVID related deaths reported
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whogothere says...
Really it’s not so simple - there are primary and secondary factors. If someone smokes a pack a day for 40 years, gets lung cancer, then catches covid, then dies...all of these factors must be considered...was it the smokes, the cancer, or the covid...? Ultimately covid put them over the edge but flu or any other infection could have as well..However in your/dr sands example it’s a little more straightforward- I m going to go with blunt force trauma and probably severe internal organ damage after being hit with a car...just saying..
On 17 new COVID related deaths reported
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whogothere says...
Really though? Kinda not what it looks like here..
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co…
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whogothere says...
Why on earth aren’t we doing an national antibody test?
Latest from Israel 40% of those cases in the new wave of covid were doubled vaccinated...versus less than 1% reinfections or that were known to have COVID...
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News…
On Pfizer’s vaccine here by August
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whogothere says...
It has emergency use approval only..(which is only approved if no over treatment is available - you can understand why they stick their fingers in their ears if you starting saying things like vitamin D or Hydroxychloroquine) And RNA Vaccine technology never used.. therefore yes it's experimental..
https://www.breakthroughs.com/advancing…
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whogothere says...
You suggested looking at the "rate of infections" before and after the vaccination process. As you have noted this graph illustrates the rate of change in infections and therefore illustrates after the lull when Israel maxed out their vax program in around may - cases have now started to sharply increase. However you seem to be conflating test positivity with the rate of infection. Test positivity is simply the number of tests conducted at one time rather than relative increase or decrease of infections over a period of time. The protocols around testing will be more impactful to that number...The infection rate /Ro is defined as the net increase/decrease over a period of time divided by the population and is therefore a more accurate measure of the rate of infection (but testing policies do have a similar impact). Given that seasonal factors also come into play comparing January to July seems redundant, whereas comparing summer 2020 cases of pre-vaxed Israel to summer 2021 when 60+% were vaxed is more interesting.
June 30th 2020 Daily cases were around 500...
As of Today daily cases are around the same...
If the this spike continues it would appear that the statement that "Israel vaccinated and is back in pandemic" holds water.. However it could be short spike that quickly subsides and also accompanied by very little death or hospitalisation - I certainly hope it's the former...
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whogothere says...
T-cell cross immunity from other corona viruses and antibodies previous asymptomatic or mild infection. Thats at least another third.
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