Yep.. The vaccine will offer little protection to those that truly need it - the elderly and those with severe underlying conditions. The latest invest data into variant spread in the UK has finally dropped. The delta strain has is now responsible 257 deaths - 63% (162 in total - 118 with 2 doses, 44 with 1 dose) of whom were vaccinated versus only 35% (92) that were not vaccinated.
Similarly hospitalisation of vaccinated delta cases now account for 33% of those hospitalised for the variant. What is even more alarming in the data is that in category of persons over the age 50, hospitalisation rate is now greater for those that are vaccinated, with 496 of those either fully or partially vaccinated versus only 144 of those that were unvaccinated.
Irrespective of this the delta virus remains a ridiculously mild disease with case fatality of 0.2%, given that many infection go unnoticed the true IFR is likely 5 - 10 times less than this...and likely less that than flu whose IFR (not CFR) is around 0.1% (though this ultimately unknown because the testing industry was non existent prior to 2020).
The logic of trying to vaccinate and lockdown 80% of population to protect 0.2 - 2% from hospitalisation of death is quite simply ridiculous when one can simply focus resources on that 0.2% - 2%- the vast majority of who (80% - 96%) are obese and/or have underlying conditions or above 65. The message surrounding COVID - that it is deadly for all is just not simply supported by the data. The messaging should reflect the fact which is - if you are older than 50ish, have a BMI that is greater than 25/26 or have an underlying condition this will give you some protection (not indefinitely) against this virus. The rest of society can continue - the question why isn't the Bahamian government taking this course of action instead of piling up debt, crushing small businesses, stifling education and medical diagnostics and cratering our economy?
It's just like last July all over again...D'ag is just running the rope to hang himself with...Hubris followed by disaster..followed by knuckled headed policy that fail to acknowledge the facts - 96-98% will not go to hospital if (and only if) they catch it and of that 2% that are hospitalised only 98-99% will not die...(1000 people get it, 20 might end up in hospital but only 1 might die) England knows this which is why in spite of the cases increases they are doing away with most emergency orders by July 19..Bahamas most follow suit or by the time fall hits team Minnis will be up to their eyeballs in case regardless of whether get Bahamians vaccinated or not..
> “The more people that get vaccinated, that lessens the probability of these spikes.”
Just simply false information...England Israel Seychelles Chile Portugal Spain... high vaccination cases and keep coming.. the logic behind this kind of thinking would be only that if more people were vaccinated then under current policy you would test less people...therefore discover less cases...
At this point it will useless by the time in gets here...with less than 10% of the population fully vaccinated and the delta wave en route...
The vaccine will offer little protection to those that truly need it - the elderly and those with sever underlying conditions. The latest invest data into variant spread in the UK has dropped. The delta strain has is now responsible 257 deaths - 63% (162 in total - 118 fully, 44 with 1 dose) of whom were vaccinated versus only 35%(92) that were not vaccinated.
Similarly hospitalisation of vaccinated delta cases now account for 33% of those hospitalised for the variant. What is even more alarming in the data is that in category of persons over the age 50, hospitalisation rate is now greater for those that are vaccinated, with 496 of those either fully or partially vaccinated versus only 144 of those that were unvaccinated.
Irrespective of this the delta virus remains a ridiculously mild disease with case fatality of 0.2%, given that many infection go unnoticed they true IFR is likely 5 - 10 times less than this...and likely less that than flu whose IFR (not CFR) is around 0.1% (though this ultimately unknown because the testing industry was non existent prior to 2020).
The logic of trying to vaccinate and lockdown 80% of population to protect 0.2 - 2% from hospitalisation of death is quite simply ridiculous when one can simply focus resources on that 0.2% - 2% the vast majority of which (80% - 96%) are obese and or have underlying conditions. The message surrounding COVID that it is deadly for all is just not simply supported by the data. The messaging should reflect the fact which is - if you are older than 50ish, have a BMI that is greater than 25/26 or have an underlying condition this will give you some protection (not indefinitely) against this virus. The rest of society can continue - the question why isn't the Bahamian government taking this course of action instead of piling up debt, crushing small businesses, stifling education and cancer diagnostics and cratering our economy?
nobody uses Facebook anymore. There isn't a conspiracy just common sense and data. Nobody is saying if you're old, obese, or have underlying conditions you should not get the vaccine - it is a personal choice and one that should be made on the best evidence. No one here is saying is the mark of the devil or it's micro chip etc etc. It is simply very clear that after 1.5 years of this 'pandemic' the vast vast vast majority of people that are otherwise healthy have nothing to fear from COVID. The myopic view the public health now defined by only the number cases of COVID in nation is a disaster for society: our children, small businesses and those put risk given the additional cost of obtaining early diagnosis of other more harmful diseases. The glorification and universalising of the vaccine as the only solution hides the risks and also it's short comings...the evidence is growing that Vaccines in their Current form do not stop transmission therefore negating the effectiveness of herd immunity or the measure by which our governments use to asses progress against the disease. Similarly it is appearent that whatever protection is offered is short lived with older those with underlying conditions accounting for 50% of death in the UK from the delta variant. This is not conspiracy just the reality...
You are so full sH*t - 99.9 % of people vaccinated or otherwise don't die of covid (which is the same survival rate of the flu) - Vaccine or not. 98% of people are not hospitalised from covid - vaccinated or not. And has pertains to the the delta virus the Data from the England that it's 50//50 vaccinated/not for those that have died from covid. The data from Seychelles (which is uses around 50% az vaccine) shows the complete collapses of effacy. Israeli data likewise shows the changing tide in protection from the Pfizer. Cases increases are happening Utah like crazy - but they don't count breakthrough cases...yet Fauci/who/cdc all claimed spikes would not happen if vaccination levels were high... This is normal it happens every year with the flu. This time last year cases plummeted in June/July temperate climates only to increase with the fall. I m old enough to remember idiots like you were pushing lockdowns on everyone too and claiming that the solution - well turning a complete blind eye to the fact that this is a mild respiratory disease for anyone that isn't obese or dying of something else...rather stating the fact they'd rather shove needles in arms and lock up people. It's utter BS.
I agree that vaccines short term are useful for the at risk population but if treatment is effective this is the only way forward that makes sense for society- jabs every 6 months and vaccines passports are colossal waste of time to protect a tiny fraction of The populace particularly given the risk of death for that are not obese or do not have comorbidities is statistically minimal.
whogothere says...
Ya - f off
On Police: Social gatherings only for those vaccinated
Posted 10 July 2021, 12:29 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Yep.. The vaccine will offer little protection to those that truly need it - the elderly and those with severe underlying conditions. The latest invest data into variant spread in the UK has finally dropped. The delta strain has is now responsible 257 deaths - 63% (162 in total - 118 with 2 doses, 44 with 1 dose) of whom were vaccinated versus only 35% (92) that were not vaccinated.
Similarly hospitalisation of vaccinated delta cases now account for 33% of those hospitalised for the variant. What is even more alarming in the data is that in category of persons over the age 50, hospitalisation rate is now greater for those that are vaccinated, with 496 of those either fully or partially vaccinated versus only 144 of those that were unvaccinated.
Irrespective of this the delta virus remains a ridiculously mild disease with case fatality of 0.2%, given that many infection go unnoticed the true IFR is likely 5 - 10 times less than this...and likely less that than flu whose IFR (not CFR) is around 0.1% (though this ultimately unknown because the testing industry was non existent prior to 2020).
The logic of trying to vaccinate and lockdown 80% of population to protect 0.2 - 2% from hospitalisation of death is quite simply ridiculous when one can simply focus resources on that 0.2% - 2%- the vast majority of who (80% - 96%) are obese and/or have underlying conditions or above 65. The message surrounding COVID - that it is deadly for all is just not simply supported by the data. The messaging should reflect the fact which is - if you are older than 50ish, have a BMI that is greater than 25/26 or have an underlying condition this will give you some protection (not indefinitely) against this virus. The rest of society can continue - the question why isn't the Bahamian government taking this course of action instead of piling up debt, crushing small businesses, stifling education and medical diagnostics and cratering our economy?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u…
On 59 new cases of COVID-19 confirmed
Posted 9 July 2021, 7 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
It's just like last July all over again...D'ag is just running the rope to hang himself with...Hubris followed by disaster..followed by knuckled headed policy that fail to acknowledge the facts - 96-98% will not go to hospital if (and only if) they catch it and of that 2% that are hospitalised only 98-99% will not die...(1000 people get it, 20 might end up in hospital but only 1 might die) England knows this which is why in spite of the cases increases they are doing away with most emergency orders by July 19..Bahamas most follow suit or by the time fall hits team Minnis will be up to their eyeballs in case regardless of whether get Bahamians vaccinated or not..
On D’Aguilar: The rebound continues
Posted 9 July 2021, 6:14 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
> “The more people that get vaccinated, that lessens the probability of these spikes.”
Just simply false information...England Israel Seychelles Chile Portugal Spain... high vaccination cases and keep coming.. the logic behind this kind of thinking would be only that if more people were vaccinated then under current policy you would test less people...therefore discover less cases...
On D’Aguilar: The rebound continues
Posted 9 July 2021, 5:36 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
At this point it will useless by the time in gets here...with less than 10% of the population fully vaccinated and the delta wave en route...
The vaccine will offer little protection to those that truly need it - the elderly and those with sever underlying conditions. The latest invest data into variant spread in the UK has dropped. The delta strain has is now responsible 257 deaths - 63% (162 in total - 118 fully, 44 with 1 dose) of whom were vaccinated versus only 35%(92) that were not vaccinated.
Similarly hospitalisation of vaccinated delta cases now account for 33% of those hospitalised for the variant. What is even more alarming in the data is that in category of persons over the age 50, hospitalisation rate is now greater for those that are vaccinated, with 496 of those either fully or partially vaccinated versus only 144 of those that were unvaccinated.
Irrespective of this the delta virus remains a ridiculously mild disease with case fatality of 0.2%, given that many infection go unnoticed they true IFR is likely 5 - 10 times less than this...and likely less that than flu whose IFR (not CFR) is around 0.1% (though this ultimately unknown because the testing industry was non existent prior to 2020).
The logic of trying to vaccinate and lockdown 80% of population to protect 0.2 - 2% from hospitalisation of death is quite simply ridiculous when one can simply focus resources on that 0.2% - 2% the vast majority of which (80% - 96%) are obese and or have underlying conditions. The message surrounding COVID that it is deadly for all is just not simply supported by the data. The messaging should reflect the fact which is - if you are older than 50ish, have a BMI that is greater than 25/26 or have an underlying condition this will give you some protection (not indefinitely) against this virus. The rest of society can continue - the question why isn't the Bahamian government taking this course of action instead of piling up debt, crushing small businesses, stifling education and cancer diagnostics and cratering our economy?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u…
On PAHO confirms vaccine production delays
Posted 9 July 2021, 11:01 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Nope if everyone want to get it done today they don’t have it...
On ‘Elephant in the room’ for 1m stopover target
Posted 8 July 2021, 3:33 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
nobody uses Facebook anymore. There isn't a conspiracy just common sense and data. Nobody is saying if you're old, obese, or have underlying conditions you should not get the vaccine - it is a personal choice and one that should be made on the best evidence. No one here is saying is the mark of the devil or it's micro chip etc etc. It is simply very clear that after 1.5 years of this 'pandemic' the vast vast vast majority of people that are otherwise healthy have nothing to fear from COVID. The myopic view the public health now defined by only the number cases of COVID in nation is a disaster for society: our children, small businesses and those put risk given the additional cost of obtaining early diagnosis of other more harmful diseases. The glorification and universalising of the vaccine as the only solution hides the risks and also it's short comings...the evidence is growing that Vaccines in their Current form do not stop transmission therefore negating the effectiveness of herd immunity or the measure by which our governments use to asses progress against the disease. Similarly it is appearent that whatever protection is offered is short lived with older those with underlying conditions accounting for 50% of death in the UK from the delta variant. This is not conspiracy just the reality...
On EDITORIAL: Hesitation may be your last regret
Posted 8 July 2021, 11:53 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
You are so full sH*t - 99.9 % of people vaccinated or otherwise don't die of covid (which is the same survival rate of the flu) - Vaccine or not. 98% of people are not hospitalised from covid - vaccinated or not. And has pertains to the the delta virus the Data from the England that it's 50//50 vaccinated/not for those that have died from covid. The data from Seychelles (which is uses around 50% az vaccine) shows the complete collapses of effacy. Israeli data likewise shows the changing tide in protection from the Pfizer. Cases increases are happening Utah like crazy - but they don't count breakthrough cases...yet Fauci/who/cdc all claimed spikes would not happen if vaccination levels were high... This is normal it happens every year with the flu. This time last year cases plummeted in June/July temperate climates only to increase with the fall. I m old enough to remember idiots like you were pushing lockdowns on everyone too and claiming that the solution - well turning a complete blind eye to the fact that this is a mild respiratory disease for anyone that isn't obese or dying of something else...rather stating the fact they'd rather shove needles in arms and lock up people. It's utter BS.
On EDITORIAL: Hesitation may be your last regret
Posted 8 July 2021, 10:47 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
if the jabs work why do you need to top them up every 3-6 months...
On EDITORIAL: Hesitation may be your last regret
Posted 8 July 2021, 10:44 a.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
I agree that vaccines short term are useful for the at risk population but if treatment is effective this is the only way forward that makes sense for society- jabs every 6 months and vaccines passports are colossal waste of time to protect a tiny fraction of The populace particularly given the risk of death for that are not obese or do not have comorbidities is statistically minimal.
On NO-JAB PATIENTS LEAVE PMH FULL: New warnings as vaccine hesitancy fills hospital beds
Posted 7 July 2021, 9:51 a.m. Suggest removal