Lol hilarious it ‘s amazing how divisive he is.. not sure how you got that...I just don’t like people that call a whole nation of people racists, or refuses to condemn white suprematism...but hey each to his own.
Geez this guy...ten to one this was an election charade...bolster his base, frustrate the opposition... He’s a goon but he’s right we need move beyond this Virus..everything else about him should be banned or better yet put into a rocket and sent into outer space and defined as extraterrestrial never to return unless it burning up on reentry....
The statistics are woefully off...seroprevalence and antibodies are really the only chance of seeing whats going on...asymptomatic cases could be anywhere between 40-70%...the reality is that we’re using a magnifying glass to look for the elephant in the room - which is the infection fatality rate is not the 1% Fauci and CDC first came out with - it’s problably around 0.1% - 0.2% or 5 to 10 times less. Respectfully we can’t follow the lead of other countries because the Bahamas is unique...geographically, economically, technologically, socially and physiologically...so what works in other countries won’t work here but has happened irrespective of strategy is that the Deaths seem to follow a similar epidemiological curves...increase and then decrease..second waves have been cases not deaths and driven and by who is tested and ultimately the specificity of the test. For example the NFL have devised there own testing measures because they discovered that many of there cases in their players were picking up viral fragments and were utterly in contagious...unfortunately there has been nothing scientific about the responses of the majority of nations...if they were they have followed the science that masks are about as useful as teddy bear against an airborne virus, quarantines don’t really impact mortality rates, lockdowns cause more deaths than they save and well COVID is for the vast vast majority of people a mild disease many of whom have no idea they ever had it..
To Roman: Well versed on all of these (ourworldindate.org, covidtracker, John Hopkins etc) they don't take into consideration unreported untested cases. It's well established that 40% - 70% of the those infected are without symptoms which is why Mr Ryan is producing a figure that is essentially 20 times the reported level of cases. Even within the US most serological studies have revealed that prevalence is many times (10x -24x) the recorded case count. And that is why every dashboard is way way way off in terms of under reporting the number of cases, while in converse the number of reported deaths is likely over stated given that the vast majority of the underlying conditions may contribute more to death than the disease it self. As result mortality in COVID trends towards natural mortality rates. As in if you're so sick and likely to die with 6 months or less, COVID is a nail in the coffin, or the bullet but not the gun or person that pulled the trigger...In assessing the impact of policy we should be considering the bigger picture. COVID isn't a killer, basically the statistics are trading towards the fact that 99.9% of people it infects survive...thats not worth destroying society over.
Well versed on all of these (ourworldindate.org, covidtracker, John Hopkins etc) @Roman they don't take into consideration unreported untested cases. It's well established that 40% - 70% of the those infected are without symptoms which is why Mr Ryan is producing a figure that is essentially 20 times the reported level of cases. Even within the US most serological studies have revealed that prevalence is many times (10x -24x) the recorded case count. And that is why every dashboard is way way way off in terms of under reporting the number of cases, while in converse the number of reported deaths is likely over stated given that the vast majority of the underlying conditions may contribute more to death than the disease it self. As result mortality in COVID tends towards natural mortality rates. As in if you're so sick to die likely to day with 6 months or less, COVID is a nail in the coffin, or bullet in chamber but not the gun...In assessing the impact of policy we should be considering the bigger picture. COVID isn't killer, it's 99.9% of people it infects survive...thats not worth destroying society over.
So ok I think I get where you are coming from, but in response I would say that there are certainly several strains of covid circling the globe..The trajectory of the virus has been vast and varied as such there is speculation that we are now dealing with a weaker strain. When speaking of the burden of influenza the press refer to (more generally) the FLU though they might identify that a particular strain is more virulent in particular year. That is all academic and ultimately beside the point.
We 're talking about respiratory virus and a disease that is ultimately mild but the response to which has produced an economic decline like never seen before; a response which has stripped back individual freedom like never before; a response that has caused death through delay in treatments or failure to diagnosis, through sucide, drug abuse and crime in response to ultimately novel psychosis that is hard to adjust to in this period of history; a response that is not rooted science per se but rather in a change of perspective on how we evaluate and count death, given the technologic development of media...because of this point the development of a vaccine will never be a solution. We have fundamentally altered the way in which we measure death through the lens of COVID19.
Let's face it the flu vaccine is ultimately only mildly effective - In the U.S., for example, so far this season a million or so some specimens have been tested and roughly 20% have tested positive for influenza a or b at the peak of flu season. 80% other specimens have something else going on to reproduce ILI..whats more - probably only about half the population are interested in taking vaccines. The war on viruses is one that is never going to win (it's about as opaque as a war on terror), but the human body once good health is maintained is well designed to deal with it...the majority of COVID responses have thrown the baby out with the bath water and wrecked havoc on our society and should be questioned - that is the point I hope to make.
I'm not sure I understand your point - The only thing that is being compared is the Infection fatality rate, given the fact that The WHO director as reported that there has been an estimated 750 Million cases to date. I think everybody understands that there is difference between respiratory viruses but to further your food analogy the point is that we are talking about a similar group of infectious diseases that make people sick. So whether you're eating shellfish or tofu we're talking about the impact on people that consume it and ultimately weighting the risk and thus threshold of economic and social sacrifice justified by the prevention measures. As it stands the the data is all correlating to the fact that the risk presented by COVID19 has been conflated and possibly exaggerated when in fact it is potentially similar or in the range of severe influenza. Therefore the destruction of our economy, keeping our kids out of school, quarantining our visitors, universal mask mandates and banning beaches is overkill for something that is on average 99.9% harmless. Back to you analogy - Shellfish (like COVID and the flu) makes some (very few) people very very sick, thus safety measures like advertising when it's an used to prepare a meal or taking personal responsibility (if you have an allergy) to avoid seafood restaurants makes sense ...universally banning shellfish because 0.01% of people might die from it does not.
Absolutely at least by a factor of 10...if not more...small surprise the world health organization is estimating a much larger magnitude of infection ...
WHO estimate ‘ 10 per cent as “our best guess” in relation to the global rate of infection to date and those who have antibodies for the virus. Quoting mr Ryan in article attached above in the irish times ...that’s the reality from the guys supposedly leading the fight folks...and based on death count that puts IFR at 0.13%..or about the same as the flu...
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Lol hilarious it ‘s amazing how divisive he is.. not sure how you got that...I just don’t like people that call a whole nation of people racists, or refuses to condemn white suprematism...but hey each to his own.
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Geez this guy...ten to one this was an election charade...bolster his base, frustrate the opposition... He’s a goon but he’s right we need move beyond this Virus..everything else about him should be banned or better yet put into a rocket and sent into outer space and defined as extraterrestrial never to return unless it burning up on reentry....
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The statistics are woefully off...seroprevalence and antibodies are really the only chance of seeing whats going on...asymptomatic cases could be anywhere between 40-70%...the reality is that we’re using a magnifying glass to look for the elephant in the room - which is the infection fatality rate is not the 1% Fauci and CDC first came out with - it’s problably around 0.1% - 0.2% or 5 to 10 times less. Respectfully we can’t follow the lead of other countries because the Bahamas is unique...geographically, economically, technologically, socially and physiologically...so what works in other countries won’t work here but has happened irrespective of strategy is that the Deaths seem to follow a similar epidemiological curves...increase and then decrease..second waves have been cases not deaths and driven and by who is tested and ultimately the specificity of the test. For example the NFL have devised there own testing measures because they discovered that many of there cases in their players were picking up viral fragments and were utterly in contagious...unfortunately there has been nothing scientific about the responses of the majority of nations...if they were they have followed the science that masks are about as useful as teddy bear against an airborne virus, quarantines don’t really impact mortality rates, lockdowns cause more deaths than they save and well COVID is for the vast vast majority of people a mild disease many of whom have no idea they ever had it..
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whogothere says...
To Roman: Well versed on all of these (ourworldindate.org, covidtracker, John Hopkins etc) they don't take into consideration unreported untested cases. It's well established that 40% - 70% of the those infected are without symptoms which is why Mr Ryan is producing a figure that is essentially 20 times the reported level of cases. Even within the US most serological studies have revealed that prevalence is many times (10x -24x) the recorded case count. And that is why every dashboard is way way way off in terms of under reporting the number of cases, while in converse the number of reported deaths is likely over stated given that the vast majority of the underlying conditions may contribute more to death than the disease it self. As result mortality in COVID trends towards natural mortality rates. As in if you're so sick and likely to die with 6 months or less, COVID is a nail in the coffin, or the bullet but not the gun or person that pulled the trigger...In assessing the impact of policy we should be considering the bigger picture. COVID isn't a killer, basically the statistics are trading towards the fact that 99.9% of people it infects survive...thats not worth destroying society over.
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whogothere says...
Well versed on all of these (ourworldindate.org, covidtracker, John Hopkins etc) @Roman they don't take into consideration unreported untested cases. It's well established that 40% - 70% of the those infected are without symptoms which is why Mr Ryan is producing a figure that is essentially 20 times the reported level of cases. Even within the US most serological studies have revealed that prevalence is many times (10x -24x) the recorded case count. And that is why every dashboard is way way way off in terms of under reporting the number of cases, while in converse the number of reported deaths is likely over stated given that the vast majority of the underlying conditions may contribute more to death than the disease it self. As result mortality in COVID tends towards natural mortality rates. As in if you're so sick to die likely to day with 6 months or less, COVID is a nail in the coffin, or bullet in chamber but not the gun...In assessing the impact of policy we should be considering the bigger picture. COVID isn't killer, it's 99.9% of people it infects survive...thats not worth destroying society over.
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whogothere says...
So ok I think I get where you are coming from, but in response I would say that there are certainly several strains of covid circling the globe..The trajectory of the virus has been vast and varied as such there is speculation that we are now dealing with a weaker strain. When speaking of the burden of influenza the press refer to (more generally) the FLU though they might identify that a particular strain is more virulent in particular year. That is all academic and ultimately beside the point.
We 're talking about respiratory virus and a disease that is ultimately mild but the response to which has produced an economic decline like never seen before; a response which has stripped back individual freedom like never before; a response that has caused death through delay in treatments or failure to diagnosis, through sucide, drug abuse and crime in response to ultimately novel psychosis that is hard to adjust to in this period of history; a response that is not rooted science per se but rather in a change of perspective on how we evaluate and count death, given the technologic development of media...because of this point the development of a vaccine will never be a solution. We have fundamentally altered the way in which we measure death through the lens of COVID19.
Let's face it the flu vaccine is ultimately only mildly effective - In the U.S., for example, so far this season a million or so some specimens have been tested and roughly 20% have tested positive for influenza a or b at the peak of flu season. 80% other specimens have something else going on to reproduce ILI..whats more - probably only about half the population are interested in taking vaccines. The war on viruses is one that is never going to win (it's about as opaque as a war on terror), but the human body once good health is maintained is well designed to deal with it...the majority of COVID responses have thrown the baby out with the bath water and wrecked havoc on our society and should be questioned - that is the point I hope to make.
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whogothere says...
I'm not sure I understand your point - The only thing that is being compared is the Infection fatality rate, given the fact that The WHO director as reported that there has been an estimated 750 Million cases to date. I think everybody understands that there is difference between respiratory viruses but to further your food analogy the point is that we are talking about a similar group of infectious diseases that make people sick. So whether you're eating shellfish or tofu we're talking about the impact on people that consume it and ultimately weighting the risk and thus threshold of economic and social sacrifice justified by the prevention measures. As it stands the the data is all correlating to the fact that the risk presented by COVID19 has been conflated and possibly exaggerated when in fact it is potentially similar or in the range of severe influenza. Therefore the destruction of our economy, keeping our kids out of school, quarantining our visitors, universal mask mandates and banning beaches is overkill for something that is on average 99.9% harmless. Back to you analogy - Shellfish (like COVID and the flu) makes some (very few) people very very sick, thus safety measures like advertising when it's an used to prepare a meal or taking personal responsibility (if you have an allergy) to avoid seafood restaurants makes sense ...universally banning shellfish because 0.01% of people might die from it does not.
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whogothere says...
Absolutely at least by a factor of 10...if not more...small surprise the world health organization is estimating a much larger magnitude of infection ...
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whogothere says...
WHO estimate ‘ 10 per cent as “our best guess” in relation to the global rate of infection to date and those who have antibodies for the virus. Quoting mr Ryan in article attached above in the irish times ...that’s the reality from the guys supposedly leading the fight folks...and based on death count that puts IFR at 0.13%..or about the same as the flu...
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whogothere says...
Not my numbers please ask mr Ryan Of the who ;)
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