The common issue here is the acceptance of affidavits from illegals, friends of illegals and in this case a sibling maybe 2/3 years older than the individual. This needs to stop, because it only facilitates fraud. This man has two names, two birth dates and his immunization card that was floating around social media, clearly showed the birth date was written over.
Fred Smith is not a legal genius or passionate about the law. The issue is the government never bothers to send competent lawyers to defend their position. Sometimes no lawyer appears at all. They even sent Gomez, now a Rights Bahamas associate to defend the Bahamas against UNHCR claims. They are not serious.
These affadavits in lieu of verifiable birth certificates, is what Wayne Munroe was trying to clarify and correct. But people were so caught up in their politics and cried foul. Whatever Mr. Munroe''s intention, he made a valid point. I can validate the birth records of my great, great, great grandparents. Lost and mishandled documents are a convenient excuse.
I agree Emac. Fake, unverified documents and affadavits in lieu of birth certificates, are accepted as legal proof by the court system and government agencies. I don't see how they could possibly place the burden of proof on landlords and regular citizens.
They can certainly determine if a 20 or 35 year old can still apply for citizenship after his legal window has ended. Responsibilities like this are what I believe Minnis was referring to in creating an immigration committee.
Bingo Deddie. It's up to the discretion of Parliament, not a Justice and it is not a guarantee of anything. This is what happened in the so called "precedent" you mentioned in 1992.
What rights are those? He had no status (or application) up until he was deported. He had "his day". In fact he had 60 days after confirming a name and birth date, that was not his own. Which could not be verified by officials. Regardless, a birth certificate is no substitute for legal status which is what the justice enforced. And legal status will eventually facilitate citizenship.
If we believe that immigration has to follow the law and take persons to court. Why are we being hypocrites when others break the law and make their own rules as well?
The PM's position to the residents of the Mud this past weekend was...if you are "born here" at some point (not 18 if applied) you will be granted citizenship. I guess the constitution is meaningless...something Haitians have always known.
You're honestly saying the law was applied here? Clearly you're the one speaking from emotion. Immigration officers have the right to question or detain anyone they suspect of being illegal. "Suspect" being up to their discretion. He should have been taken to court but not doing so is not grounds to provide a known illegal, with unverifiable documents, with status and apply laws not intended for illegals. At most, this justice should have ruled this matter be taken to court, with him present or not. Or that this was now a matter for the immigration minister.
There you go with your usual drivel. Did you bother to read the Bahamas' constitution? Most countries do not have birthright citizenship. And whether or not it does, has no bearing on the citizenship matters for the Bahamas.
My2centz says...
The common issue here is the acceptance of affidavits from illegals, friends of illegals and in this case a sibling maybe 2/3 years older than the individual. This needs to stop, because it only facilitates fraud. This man has two names, two birth dates and his immunization card that was floating around social media, clearly showed the birth date was written over.
On Fraudulent papers now central issue
Posted 1 February 2018, 5:14 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
Fred Smith is not a legal genius or passionate about the law. The issue is the government never bothers to send competent lawyers to defend their position. Sometimes no lawyer appears at all. They even sent Gomez, now a Rights Bahamas associate to defend the Bahamas against UNHCR claims. They are not serious.
On Jean Rony’s ruling impacts thousands
Posted 1 February 2018, 5:02 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
These affadavits in lieu of verifiable birth certificates, is what Wayne Munroe was trying to clarify and correct. But people were so caught up in their politics and cried foul. Whatever Mr. Munroe''s intention, he made a valid point. I can validate the birth records of my great, great, great grandparents. Lost and mishandled documents are a convenient excuse.
On Fraudulent papers now central issue
Posted 1 February 2018, 1:01 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
I agree Emac. Fake, unverified documents and affadavits in lieu of birth certificates, are accepted as legal proof by the court system and government agencies. I don't see how they could possibly place the burden of proof on landlords and regular citizens.
On Amendments could place onus on those aiding illegal immigrants
Posted 31 January 2018, 5:39 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
They can certainly determine if a 20 or 35 year old can still apply for citizenship after his legal window has ended. Responsibilities like this are what I believe Minnis was referring to in creating an immigration committee.
On Judge orders govt to bring back Jean Rony Jean-Charles
Posted 31 January 2018, 5:16 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
Bingo Deddie. It's up to the discretion of Parliament, not a Justice and it is not a guarantee of anything. This is what happened in the so called "precedent" you mentioned in 1992.
On Judge orders govt to bring back Jean Rony Jean-Charles
Posted 31 January 2018, 4:04 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
What rights are those? He had no status (or application) up until he was deported. He had "his day". In fact he had 60 days after confirming a name and birth date, that was not his own. Which could not be verified by officials. Regardless, a birth certificate is no substitute for legal status which is what the justice enforced. And legal status will eventually facilitate citizenship.
If we believe that immigration has to follow the law and take persons to court. Why are we being hypocrites when others break the law and make their own rules as well?
On BRING HIM HOME - Govt told: Fly Jean Rony back and grant status
Posted 31 January 2018, 1:25 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
The PM's position to the residents of the Mud this past weekend was...if you are "born here" at some point (not 18 if applied) you will be granted citizenship. I guess the constitution is meaningless...something Haitians have always known.
On BRING HIM HOME - Govt told: Fly Jean Rony back and grant status
Posted 31 January 2018, 12:47 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
You're honestly saying the law was applied here? Clearly you're the one speaking from emotion. Immigration officers have the right to question or detain anyone they suspect of being illegal. "Suspect" being up to their discretion. He should have been taken to court but not doing so is not grounds to provide a known illegal, with unverifiable documents, with status and apply laws not intended for illegals. At most, this justice should have ruled this matter be taken to court, with him present or not. Or that this was now a matter for the immigration minister.
On Judge orders govt to bring back Jean Rony Jean-Charles
Posted 31 January 2018, 12:37 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
There you go with your usual drivel. Did you bother to read the Bahamas' constitution? Most countries do not have birthright citizenship. And whether or not it does, has no bearing on the citizenship matters for the Bahamas.
On BRING HIM HOME - Govt told: Fly Jean Rony back and grant status
Posted 31 January 2018, 11:58 a.m. Suggest removal