So a 35 year old high school graduate does not know his legal name or date of birth? No red flags, here?
Also, article 19(1) (g) excludes Jean Rony, a non citizen without legal status, from the protections of article 19(1). The only issue here is he was not detained for the purpose of being taken to court. Therefore, (2) and (3) are valid. Article 25 also does not apply to illegals because it prevents expulsion from the Bahamas. If this ruling is followed it means all expelled illegals can legally return to the Bahamas and cannot be expelled. The solution here is to correct the law. Why is that so difficult? Turn the boats around when they are caught in Bahamian waters and use those resources to take each and every suspected illegal to court.
You're showing your ignorance. No precedent was established then, it was an emotional decision that contradicted the constitution. The justice's ruling did not reference such a precedent either because it's weak. Furthermore, this man whom the judge referred to as "applicant" has never applied for status. Coddling and making him out to be a victim, is just plain wrong and sends an unfortunate message to your community that will keep entitled feeling illegals coming in droves.
What's clear is your points are intentionally irrelevant to this situation, because even you know this justice enforced something unconstitional.
The fact here is The constitution does not recognize birthright citizenship to the children born to foreign parents, not just Haitians. This individual, the justice, overruled the constitution and is attempting to enforce birthright citizenship. This is as laughable as ruling on the return of illegal drugs between dealers. He is ordering the immigration department to break the law and he should be ignored. This is a matter for immigration officials or the minister himself.
This is not the law. The Bahamas needs to amend its laws to reflect birthright citizenship, and get rid of the entitlement window. This is simply the imposing the will of the few and does not reflect what the average Bahamian wants.
This ruling is despicable. This man was rightfully deported because he did not apply for status within the legal time frame. No court or judge should be allowed legally enforce something that is illegal. Even to uphold the look of upholding the law, only the immigration board or the minister should have the power to grant or demand status for this man at this point. If justices don't respect the law, how can we expect illegals to?
This government lawyer seems unaware that "entitlements" end after 19 and is not a constitutional right. If they want to change the law to include birthright citizenship they should do that so persons won't be detained and resources won't be wasted. "Legally" enforcing something that is not law has to be far worse than a "rake and scrape" approach. It shows incompetence or blatant disregard for the law by the persons meant to uphold it.
The solution is simple: amend the constitution to grant birthright citizenship or don't...just be clear. This so called entitlement and window of application has created a mess. It's even messier when the minister himself states these persons should not be deported, but takes no action to clarify the chaos or state what the process is for them to be legalized.
Identifying as Bahamian does not make one a Bahamian. There is a legal process that this adult needed to follow but didn't. His situation has now prompted his brother to start the process of regularisation and who knows how many others. He created the mess he's in and it's up to him, his family and lawyer to bring him "home". Until the laws a changed, immigration is not to blame for this and there is nothing further for them to do.
I'm not selective about which laws to follow. And I don't believe anyone is exempt from the law. This situation only happened because slackness with regard to immigration laws. So many parade around without consequence that Jean Rony saw no need to regularise himself. And when the law catches up to him, we condemn the immigration department instead. And portray this grown man as a victim.
My2centz says...
So a 35 year old high school graduate does not know his legal name or date of birth? No red flags, here?
Also, article 19(1) (g) excludes Jean Rony, a non citizen without legal status, from the protections of article 19(1). The only issue here is he was not detained for the purpose of being taken to court. Therefore, (2) and (3) are valid. Article 25 also does not apply to illegals because it prevents expulsion from the Bahamas. If this ruling is followed it means all expelled illegals can legally return to the Bahamas and cannot be expelled. The solution here is to correct the law. Why is that so difficult? Turn the boats around when they are caught in Bahamian waters and use those resources to take each and every suspected illegal to court.
On BRING HIM HOME - Govt told: Fly Jean Rony back and grant status
Posted 31 January 2018, 10:21 a.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
You're showing your ignorance. No precedent was established then, it was an emotional decision that contradicted the constitution. The justice's ruling did not reference such a precedent either because it's weak. Furthermore, this man whom the judge referred to as "applicant" has never applied for status. Coddling and making him out to be a victim, is just plain wrong and sends an unfortunate message to your community that will keep entitled feeling illegals coming in droves.
On Judge orders govt to bring back Jean Rony Jean-Charles
Posted 31 January 2018, 2:04 a.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
What's clear is your points are intentionally irrelevant to this situation, because even you know this justice enforced something unconstitional.
The fact here is The constitution does not recognize birthright citizenship to the children born to foreign parents, not just Haitians. This individual, the justice, overruled the constitution and is attempting to enforce birthright citizenship. This is as laughable as ruling on the return of illegal drugs between dealers. He is ordering the immigration department to break the law and he should be ignored. This is a matter for immigration officials or the minister himself.
On Judge orders govt to bring back Jean Rony Jean-Charles
Posted 30 January 2018, 6:51 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
This is not the law. The Bahamas needs to amend its laws to reflect birthright citizenship, and get rid of the entitlement window. This is simply the imposing the will of the few and does not reflect what the average Bahamian wants.
On Judge orders govt to bring back Jean Rony Jean-Charles
Posted 30 January 2018, 4:19 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
This ruling is despicable. This man was rightfully deported because he did not apply for status within the legal time frame. No court or judge should be allowed legally enforce something that is illegal. Even to uphold the look of upholding the law, only the immigration board or the minister should have the power to grant or demand status for this man at this point. If justices don't respect the law, how can we expect illegals to?
On Judge orders govt to bring back Jean Rony Jean-Charles
Posted 30 January 2018, 4:15 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
This government lawyer seems unaware that "entitlements" end after 19 and is not a constitutional right. If they want to change the law to include birthright citizenship they should do that so persons won't be detained and resources won't be wasted. "Legally" enforcing something that is not law has to be far worse than a "rake and scrape" approach. It shows incompetence or blatant disregard for the law by the persons meant to uphold it.
On ‘Rake and scrape’ days are over
Posted 30 January 2018, 10:43 a.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
So the courts enforce birthright citizenship even though it's not the law? And by extension, enforces that undocumented people are legal. What a joke.
On Rulings on Jean Rony Jean-Charles and Bahamian man's pregnant wife expected Tuesday
Posted 27 January 2018, 9:25 a.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
The solution is simple: amend the constitution to grant birthright citizenship or don't...just be clear. This so called entitlement and window of application has created a mess. It's even messier when the minister himself states these persons should not be deported, but takes no action to clarify the chaos or state what the process is for them to be legalized.
On Alone in a hellhole, praying to go home
Posted 24 January 2018, 11:58 a.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
Identifying as Bahamian does not make one a Bahamian. There is a legal process that this adult needed to follow but didn't. His situation has now prompted his brother to start the process of regularisation and who knows how many others. He created the mess he's in and it's up to him, his family and lawyer to bring him "home". Until the laws a changed, immigration is not to blame for this and there is nothing further for them to do.
On I told them – check. They said: ‘You going to Haiti’
Posted 23 January 2018, 7:06 p.m. Suggest removal
My2centz says...
I'm not selective about which laws to follow. And I don't believe anyone is exempt from the law. This situation only happened because slackness with regard to immigration laws. So many parade around without consequence that Jean Rony saw no need to regularise himself. And when the law catches up to him, we condemn the immigration department instead. And portray this grown man as a victim.
On I told them – check. They said: ‘You going to Haiti’
Posted 23 January 2018, 6:52 p.m. Suggest removal