It’s almost like Sweden was right...lockdowns delay the inevitable... I think everyone is forgetting LDs were went to be a temporary Measure to limit the overwhelming of hospitals - not a suit of armor against the disease. It’s now turned out that lockdown certainly kept people out hospitals (not necessarily COVID cases) but people that needed other care. End result is around 100k extra deaths in us between Jan and October mostly of young adults...lockdowns kill...
Finally the truth is coming out - Dr Forbes comments not withstanding... - but the CDC has finally released it's study on mortality.
1. 299k more than usual died in the USA between January
2. Of that 100k did not have covid. Thats 100k excess not related to COVID.
3. Of the 299k excess deaths the largest group of increase was the 24 - 45 year age group with nearly 50k more than normal. Yet only 20% of this group died with or of covid.
4. Of people that died of COVID 94% had 2-3 other things killing then.
5. Of the group that Died of COVID the average age was 74, yet life expectancy in the US is 75. Meaning on average those that died of covid were right on in line with normal life expectancy.
6. The number normal respirarty deaths is down 20% in comparison to the last five years, which suggests that normal proportion of respiratory death have been included in death counts.
7. Suicides, Overdoses, Dementia, cardiac deaths are way up...
Lockdowns kill, this number will grow even as COVID deaths decrease and if economic conditions worsen. Bahamas government should be taking this carefully into consideration..
1. more cases don't correlate to more deaths. Take Florida they they had more cases than New York but way less death. The second wave in the Uk - Way more cases, less death. France same thing, Spain same thing. Everywhere same thing. You're in to Panic porn baby. Cases might go up and down, but death rates are only going down. The virus is not more deadly bud...sorry if dashing your doom and gloom fantasy... Evidence a & b below...
2. On Lockdowns- now consider Texas since you mention it.. Governor closed restaurant on Jun 25/26th. Cases still tripled till the peak at end of July. No effect until the hot spots burnt out. Cases slowly decreased on their on until in September a spike happened in Sept 12th to 20th - bear in mind there had still not been any additional opening measures yet - same lock down procedures where in place. Again cases died on their own. Current situation cases in Texas are averaging 4500-5000 per day...this is about the same as early august despite opening bar on Oct 7th....you can review in the link in evidence c.. It's same deal/trend most other states...Lockdowns happen but cases go up irrespective and on their own collapse...
3.In our little islands we've had same experience grand Bahama locked with 80 cases end of July but now has over 600 cases. Nassau locked down for 2 weeks in early august - zero effect on the amount of cases detected. You can refer to the links in my intial trashing of your post if you'd like ;)
4. Where is Florida's resurgence bud? Last I checked (2 mins ago) they were hitting 4000 cases a day same as the beginning of august - a far try from that 12k per day in July. 4 weeks after opening up. (Evidence d)
By all means do present some evidence of your opinion but based on the facts you're living on a different planet or just don't know how to read a chart...It's ok it happens a lot...
This isn’t rocket science COVID is airborne.. masks do nothing Alas recent cdc study (And a bigillion on the flu) say so (though Cdc are reluctance to admit it). The only large scale Mask usage study in Denmark hasn t seen the light of day (I wonder why lol) WHO advised against masks initially because most of the public don’t know how to use masks properly....Case in point we ve had a mask mandate since May and it’s done nothing... 4000 cases since our mandate came in...cloth masks don t do much and if anything give a false sense of security both for those that are symptomatic and those without...
Come John back this s*** up with links Or with facts buddy! Don t just spew without Some sort of evidence...
1.lockdowns short or long have not had impact on transmission rates.note bi weekly change in transmission has been stable: 0% change since middle of July in Bahamas meaning every two almost exactly the same number of people have been infected on average irrespective of lockdowns.
2.there is no evidence that this strain is more stronger, more deadly or more contagious then any others in fact case fatality rates are collapsing around the globe:
3. You Claim places withOut lockdowns are seeing increases in death - completely false: Sweden has had almost no one die of COVID in the last 3 weeks, similarly Belarus and Nicaragua - no locks downs and have decreases in deaths per week.
Judging from the MOH report the wait time spread seem to significant for over a 8 day period. I forget the exact break down but I'd say 50% or so in the 4-6 day report delivery, probably 20% 7-8 day and 20% 3-4 less than that and about 10% within a day or two. Antigen tests will deployed shortly but will not count towards official tallies until confirmed by a PCR Test.
Well for one less than 1% of infections can from touristic travel when we last opened the borders. And for two triple tiered testing before, on arrival and day 5 of arrival. PCR tests 7 days before travel should remove around 90% of risk of imported infections, the 9% of risk should be covered day travel antigen test and remaining 1% of risk should be dealt with on 96 hour after arrival test. The point is to catch potential carriers before they start shedding the virus which is usually day 6 or 7 of the infection. This really the best technique though it is cumbersome for travelers....
whogothere says...
It’s almost like Sweden was right...lockdowns delay the inevitable...
I think everyone is forgetting LDs were went to be a temporary Measure to limit the overwhelming of hospitals - not a suit of armor against the disease. It’s now turned out that lockdown certainly kept people out hospitals (not necessarily COVID cases) but people that needed other care. End result is around 100k extra deaths in us between Jan and October mostly of young adults...lockdowns kill...
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whogothere says...
Finally the truth is coming out - Dr Forbes comments not withstanding... - but the CDC has finally released it's study on mortality.
1. 299k more than usual died in the USA between January
2. Of that 100k did not have covid. Thats 100k excess not related to COVID.
3. Of the 299k excess deaths the largest group of increase was the 24 - 45 year age group with nearly 50k more than normal. Yet only 20% of this group died with or of covid.
4. Of people that died of COVID 94% had 2-3 other things killing then.
5. Of the group that Died of COVID the average age was 74, yet life expectancy in the US is 75. Meaning on average those that died of covid were right on in line with normal life expectancy.
6. The number normal respirarty deaths is down 20% in comparison to the last five years, which suggests that normal proportion of respiratory death have been included in death counts.
7. Suicides, Overdoses, Dementia, cardiac deaths are way up...
Lockdowns kill, this number will grow even as COVID deaths decrease and if economic conditions worsen. Bahamas government should be taking this carefully into consideration..
Sources:
CDC Report: https://cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm69…
Excess deaths: https://cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/…
COVID deaths by age:
https://cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_we…
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whogothere says...
And up to 70% have no symptoms at all!! Oh dear where is this worsening deadly virus you were talking about earlier John...?
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whogothere says...
Again John, buddy -
1. more cases don't correlate to more deaths. Take Florida they they had more cases than New York but way less death. The second wave in the Uk - Way more cases, less death. France same thing, Spain same thing. Everywhere same thing. You're in to Panic porn baby. Cases might go up and down, but death rates are only going down. The virus is not more deadly bud...sorry if dashing your doom and gloom fantasy... Evidence a & b below...
2. On Lockdowns- now consider Texas since you mention it.. Governor closed restaurant on Jun 25/26th. Cases still tripled till the peak at end of July. No effect until the hot spots burnt out. Cases slowly decreased on their on until in September a spike happened in Sept 12th to 20th - bear in mind there had still not been any additional opening measures yet - same lock down procedures where in place. Again cases died on their own. Current situation cases in Texas are averaging 4500-5000 per day...this is about the same as early august despite opening bar on Oct 7th....you can review in the link in evidence c.. It's same deal/trend most other states...Lockdowns happen but cases go up irrespective and on their own collapse...
3.In our little islands we've had same experience grand Bahama locked with 80 cases end of July but now has over 600 cases. Nassau locked down for 2 weeks in early august - zero effect on the amount of cases detected. You can refer to the links in my intial trashing of your post if you'd like ;)
4. Where is Florida's resurgence bud? Last I checked (2 mins ago) they were hitting 4000 cases a day same as the beginning of august - a far try from that 12k per day in July. 4 weeks after opening up. (Evidence d)
By all means do present some evidence of your opinion but based on the facts you're living on a different planet or just don't know how to read a chart...It's ok it happens a lot...
evidence a: increases in cases - yes. - up:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-…
Evidence b: decrease in death.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-…
Evidence C: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/state-…
Evidence d:https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/stat…
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whogothere says...
Prove me wrong?
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whogothere says...
LOL proud my friend we keep having this little chat - GB entered into with 80 cases it now has 600 plus cases - is this your definition of success?
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whogothere says...
This isn’t rocket science COVID is airborne.. masks do nothing Alas recent cdc study (And a bigillion on the flu) say so (though Cdc are reluctance to admit it). The only large scale Mask usage study in Denmark hasn t seen the light of day (I wonder why lol) WHO advised against masks initially because most of the public don’t know how to use masks properly....Case in point we ve had a mask mandate since May and it’s done nothing... 4000 cases since our mandate came in...cloth masks don t do much and if anything give a false sense of security both for those that are symptomatic and those without...
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Posted 21 October 2020, 2:45 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Come John back this s*** up with links Or with facts buddy! Don t just spew without Some sort of evidence...
1.lockdowns short or long have not had impact on transmission rates.note bi weekly change in transmission has been stable: 0% change since middle of July in Bahamas meaning every two almost exactly the same number of people have been infected on average irrespective of lockdowns.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/biwe…
2.there is no evidence that this strain is more stronger, more deadly or more contagious then any others in fact case fatality rates are collapsing around the globe:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-…
3. You Claim places withOut lockdowns are seeing increases in death - completely false: Sweden has had almost no one die of COVID in the last 3 weeks, similarly Belarus and Nicaragua - no locks downs and have decreases in deaths per week.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/week…
i could go on but really you get point...don t make stuff up dude or at least back it up if you can....
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Posted 21 October 2020, 2:24 p.m. Suggest removal
whogothere says...
Judging from the MOH report the wait time spread seem to significant for over a 8 day period. I forget the exact break down but I'd say 50% or so in the 4-6 day report delivery, probably 20% 7-8 day and 20% 3-4 less than that and about 10% within a day or two. Antigen tests will deployed shortly but will not count towards official tallies until confirmed by a PCR Test.
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whogothere says...
Well for one less than 1% of infections can from touristic travel when we last opened the borders. And for two triple tiered testing before, on arrival and day 5 of arrival. PCR tests 7 days before travel should remove around 90% of risk of imported infections, the 9% of risk should be covered day travel antigen test and remaining 1% of risk should be dealt with on 96 hour after arrival test. The point is to catch potential carriers before they start shedding the virus which is usually day 6 or 7 of the infection. This really the best technique though it is cumbersome for travelers....
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