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whogothere says...

I’m glad your wife was able to have that Routine screening, durning covid that might not have been possible because fear based covid lockdown and travel restriction policy has made it impossible for many people. Policy is driven through interpretation of data, case increase is one such metric, but it’s meaningless..

On PLP calls for more testing and tracing

Posted 15 October 2020, 9:42 p.m. Suggest removal

whogothere says...

The point @clamshell is that mantra of ‘test more’ generates ‘panic’ when the number of covid ‘cases’ IS meaningless

1) because the PCR tests used have a specificity rate that is often so high that it picks up on viral fragments that are not infectous - essentially generating a false positive. NFL had to reinvent their testing mechanics as result. Huge percentage of PCR tests were giving a positive result to players that were not contagious and forced them on the bench. Sucks for football but in wider society as tool it’s a huge waste of time and resources.

2) Increase in cases doesn’t mean an increase in death or hospitalization and many cases are asymptomatic and thus ‘rarely’ transmitters of the virus - For example florida had more cases than New York but not as much death or destruction on the populous.

3) ‘A case’ isn’t relevant to any other health measure. 99% of them are mild. We don’t count cases of colds or the flu in this country. They don’t do it in the USA either - it’s a guess an algorithm... If we were counting, glorifying and reporting cardiovascular death in the way that we are covid then at 650-700 deaths per year In the Bahamas (almost 60 per month) then we’d be banning fried food and mandating runs. And doing forced fitness tests on population - but we are not. So for all intents and purpose we aren’t ‘testing’ for the symptoms of the biggest killers in the country - which ultimately are eating habits and poor exercise, it’s doesn’t make vascular disease go a way but society hasn’t shut down as a result.

4) On that note you are right we should be counting all death and all diseases equally as we are COVID so we can see that comparatively it’s risk is minimal and possibly not worth the damage through policy it’s inflicting on the rest of society by depriving people of the opportunity to have cancer tests, diabetics and renal treatments. Or driving increases suicides, overdoes, malnutrition, crime among collateral events that are terrible for public health.

In short test - more cases - panic - test - more cases - panic is not a useful device to understand the threat of the virus poses to our society as it glorifies one disease at ignorance of others and as such has myopic few of public health. It’s not quite quit testing, it’s stop using a meaningless value to somehow evaluate the impact of the pandemic. Test when you need to enter a hospital, or visit granny not simply more tests for everyone.

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Posted 15 October 2020, 9:28 p.m. Suggest removal

whogothere says...

Would love to see that prediction...numbers are bit off.. WHO was estimating case fatality of 4% and IFRs of 1% back in back in march. CFR are now about half and IFR is about 10-20 times less than initial estimates. Ultimately it depends on how liberally you define a covid death. In Singapore part of their ‘success’ is they have a very strict definition of COIVD death - comorbidities are weight in their cause. So if you’re on the way out already you’re not a covid death. In Belgium (and the USA) it’s a very liberal definition. You don’t need to tested to be covid death, and if you die of drug over dose and you test positive you’re a covid case. The combination of these two things makes it easy to rack up a death count or limit it. In the USA hospital are very handsomely compensated for handling COVID death and cases, so there’s skin in the game to actually ramp up COVID cases and deaths. And voila there you have 6% of death purely covid rated 94% with 2 or 3 commodities in the USA 200k death count...PCR tests are ramped to detect virus remnants that aren’t even infectious... no idea what they do here, but I’m sure it’s loose and fast.

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Posted 15 October 2020, 8:51 p.m. Suggest removal

whogothere says...

Simple not the case with COVID @bob Unlike the measles background immunity from other coronavirus occurs with covid19. T cell immunity as it called it’s also part the reason old folks are more vulnerable to the disease and kids aren’t. Also why you 70% of cases don t show symptoms. Kids have a lot more T cells. That’s why time after time 20-30% of population get infected and then rates gone down..big pharmaceutical and Billy boy hate Sweden And ignore the very real concept of a HIT with this disease.. check it out my friend. World got conned..

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Posted 15 October 2020, 7:48 p.m. Suggest removal

whogothere says...

Firstly, Are you forgetting he did lock Nassau down for two weeks. He tried week 3 and it backfired - riots. Lockdowns are for the privileged, at this point the most of Bahamas is out of money and unfortunately out of privilege.

Secondly are you forgetting that GB had 80 cases when they went into lockdown they now have 600. It didn t work!! It never works unless you do before community transmission.

Cases have died out because likely infections have hit about 20-30% of the population assuming 10x magnitude of increase on known cases. We see it Bimini too... will likely see it in Abaco as well. And very possibly in Nassau too once cases get to 5 or 6k.

We ve seen it New York, Stockholm, parts of Brazil and Italy...and we saw on the princess cruise ship In japan.. maybe coincidentally..but more examples of burn out of that level prevalence is occurring....

This article is dated but lays it out...

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus…

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Posted 15 October 2020, 4:37 p.m. Suggest removal

whogothere says...

Test more - find more cases - panic - so you test. more - find more cases - panic....how do you spell casedemic? nah we need to get off the train.

On PLP calls for more testing and tracing

Posted 15 October 2020, 3:18 p.m. Suggest removal

whogothere says...

Sorry Proud they don't...try again! Lockdowns are advised for the start of outbreak to limit spread and not to overwhelm the health systems. When done later they don't make slightest bit of difference. In 2018 flu killed 80k in the US and that was with people getting vaccines, but they don't count the flu like COVID - they don't fawn over death certificates hunting for cases. Not to mention according to cdc out of the 200k that perished only 6% died of covid directly. 94% had other things going on. More problematic for your argument is that you aren't refuting what we're comparing IFR - right now the flu is actually more dangerous to young people than COVID. Facts! Please by all means go to CDC website and prove me wrong.

whogothere says...

Me and you have been through this before Proud my friend. 80 cases when lockdown started 600 now - thats not a success! You funny! And meanwhile there is this...as the cost -

http://www.tribune242.com/news/2020/oct…

whogothere says...

And if I wasn’t clear yes we need to open up and because the virus is going to virus regardless of anything we do.

whogothere says...

I think common sense protocols must prevail. In the presence of the old and the sick do everything physically possible to prevent/limit risk of infection. Wash hands, wear masks if you like, don’t be in the same room in you any symptoms, take a rapid test if you visit an care facility.. Doing these do not impact the rest of society, but will help more than lockdowns, quarentines, and other restriction. Additionally We’ve creating over-demand for hospital beds because the people have been told this is virus is a death sentence. So even if they can recover at home people are freaking out if they test positive or have any symptoms. Often cases o2 and bed rest and immune boosters do the trick. Finally we need honesty on the hospitalized cases. Right now if you check into PM with a broken leg and test positive you’re in the hospitalized cases. There is a difference between being put in hospital because of COVID and if you happen to have covid when something unrelated did the damage. ‘Long COVID’ is not killing people it’s a small minority of the cases, preventing people with other diseases from getting care and diagnostics does kill people. Economic depression does kill people through crime, drug abuse and suicide. Altering the life path of children by preventing learning at critical point will affect their life outcomes and potential. The implications of over reacting of to COVID are more severe than the disease itself which is roughly the same as the flu (even without a vaccine).